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Anders vs Solas: Best change in perspective


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#76
AlleluiaElizabeth

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The time of the ancient elves is over. Time for the world to move on from that. 

There may be some in stasis still. Abelas and his people are still around, for instance. I'm not killing them. And I don't think its right to consign them to a mortal life if I can help it. If there's a way to help them without it costing innocent lives in the process, I'm likely up for it. *shrug*



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The time of the ancient elves is over. Time for the world to move on from that. 

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The time of the ancient elves is over. Time for the world to move on from that. 

We'll see. Maybe it's the time of the humans that's running short.



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We'll see. Maybe it's the time of the humans that's running short.

I don't know how you can look at the way the DA series is going and think that.

 

The entire theme of Corypheus was that the world he sought to recreate was long since gone and that you can't roll the clock back.  All Solas is, is the elven equivalent of a last gasp of life from an otherwise moribund age.


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I don't know how you can look at the way the DA series is going and think that.

 

The entire theme of Corypheus was that the world he sought to recreate was long since gone and that you can't roll the clock back.  All Solas is, is the elven equivalent of a last gasp of life from an otherwise moribund age.

Not if he succeeds.



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We'll see. Maybe it's the time of the humans that's running short.

 

If Solas wins, the time of every single modern races is running short. Whatever else he wants to do, the beings he wants to see re-created are nothing like the modern elves. And even if the modern elves survived, you see quite clearly what someone like Abelas thinks of them. 


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Not if he succeeds.

and he won't he will be the antagonist, he'll be stopped and he *might* find some way to claw back some sort of redemption, but mark my words he will not succeed anymore than Corypheus did.


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Anders wanted to change how mages were treated and how they interacted with the world. Solas wants to destroy the present world to recreate the one he knows. In many ways he is similar to Corypheus, who awoke in a world where everything he knew and believed in was distorted, forgotten and his actions were vilified and demonized. While noble, he is incredible selfish. Elves may not be the same as they were before the Veil, but they have a lives and cultures of their owns, and his actions are solely for his benefit. The lives of many elves are poor it is true, but times change and people change with them. Playing as an Elf PC, while you face discrimination and prejudice you do change how people look and treat you through your actions. Solas wants the world as it was, not how it is now. Anders wasn't stuck in the past, he knows that mages are feared for a reason. History and the Imperium has shown the dangers of unrestricted magic, but the extremely harsh oppression and restrictions against people over events beyond their controls is deplorable. Kirkwall was a melting pot and violence was inevitable, but the fact it was allowed to occur in the first place shows that the Chantry either couldn't or wouldn't interfere to alleviate tensions shows us that the Chantry does not or did not value the lives of mages in the same way as the mundanes. I believe they both think themselves as the necessary evils, willing and capable to do horrible things to make a better world for their respective causes, when the reality and consequences of their choices affect not just the people they claim to represent, but everyone in the world.


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I would find it odd if a romance is necessary since he is shown to be prepared to sacrifice the woman he loves for what he believes might be the greater good.

 

It would make the most sense for it, in my opinion, to be dependent upon whether or not he was coming to see modern Thedas and it's people as alive since I think that is the criteria for him saying that he'll cherish the chance to be proven wrong.

 

One of my guesses is that Solas may wind up sacrificing himself to save modern Thedas. To be honest, I would not mind that terribly much and I am saying this as someone whose favorite romance in all of the games has been Solas. I feel the romance has properly introduced the element of tragedy so I do not feel like it would be a sudden thing to spring on the people who romanced him.

 

I would prefer him to be alive, however, and another of my guesses is that he may wind up depowered. 
 

 

Solas without power, now this seems like poetic justice when his distain for the modern peoples of Thedas is taken into account. I actually prefer this to killing him. Death would be validation to him, making him a Martyr.



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I don't think there was an "AHA!" moment for me with Anders, it all seemed fairly obvious as the game progressed. Solas while I knew he was lying I didn't know what about until almost the end and I had no idea he actually was Fen'harel - none at all. I see DA2 almost like a pantomime  where DAI had Cory as the panto villain and the real villain was a cool headed sympathetic character, (or seemed so) scheming and plotting your death the entire time at your side. 

 

I still say Bravo to the writers, Solas is the best villain they have delivered in DA. All others have been almost one dimensional and very obvious.


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