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[Hanako Ikezawa]

You're right, he does. So, where are all the elves going?

They've been deceived by the Dread Wolf. He's going to use them like Corypheus used his forces.

[Reznore57]

You're right, he does. So, where are all the elves going?

 

The lambs following the wolf?

Solas tells you he has no qualm about manipulating and using people if the need is great enough.

If he needs to go in the Fade without the anchor , we know massive sacrifice+ blood magic worked at least once.

[IllustriousT]

They've been deceived by the Dread Wolf. He's going to use them like Corypheus used his forces.

 

Aww... *Sad eye teary dialogue option*

[Abyss108]

You're right, he does. So, where are all the elves going?

 

No idea! They could be accent elves in disguise, they could be Dalish Elves he tricked, they could be going to somewhere completely different...

 

Actually that was never confirmed. That bit of dialogue can be interpreted to mean several different things.

 

If the Dalish people are restored to their former glory, are the technically Dalish still?

If the modern elves regain their immortality/culture/magic, are they still not Solas' People?

When he says the end of her people, does he really mean just the end of her culture/way of life or the literal annihilation of them?

 

The lines like the "end of your world", "your people must die" and so on are all up for individual interpretation. Many like to take it to mean murder, but others take it to mean transformation.

 

Correct. But if someone who wants to destroy the world says it means the "end of your people", most people wouldn't just assume that means it will work out OK for them. I actually do think it doesn't literally mean death, as Weekes said in a tweet that it "might not mean what you think it means" or something similar. But the Inquisitor doesn't know that, and never asks, so it would be rather strange for them to want to follow him after he says that.

 

They've been deceived by the Dread Wolf. He's going to use them like Corypheus used his forces.

 

We don't know that at all. Could be the case, could not be the case. They could be other ancient Elves like Abelas who had blended in with Dalish clans.

[LadyAndarius]

In my opinion, Solas refers to the people of the Inquisition and the people under their protection. in the epilogue all the elves have left Orlais and Ferelden ( servants included) , and no one knows why (though the Inquisition sure you have the answer).

[Abyss108]

 

After the events at the Winter Palace, elves left the Inquisition under mysterious circumstances, as did elven servants across Thedas. None could say where they went, but those who believed the Inquisitor's story about Fen'Harel wondered just how large the Dread Wolf's forces were... and what the ancient elven rebel had planned.

 

This doesn't even mention Dalish elves, and there's nothing to say it is "all" elves. Just a number significantly high enough to be noticed.

[IllustriousT]

"Banal'abelas Banal'vhenan" - except, I am crazy and still want to go with him, just so i still can kick my Levallan's a@s in DA4.

[vertigomez]

They've been deceived by the Dread Wolf. He's going to use them like Corypheus used his forces.

This. If some extraordinary powerful, godlike person steps out of the woodwork and claims he's going to restore ancient Elvhenan for the glory of the elven people, conveniently leaving out the part where His Elves and Modern Elves are practically different species, you can bet he's going to get a crapton of converts and soldiers for his cause.

Fen'Harel's favorite hobby besides painting frescoes is lying by omission.

[Sah291]

I liked the romance a lot. Especially since it was the first one I tried, without knowing any spoilers... so it had the biggest impact on me.

I would have been in favor of an even more tragic ending in Tresspasser (assuming this is really the last of the Inquisitor), to make the romance even sader...but I'm not that heartless and I'm still holding out hope there will be a cameo or something next game.

An option to go with him might have been interesting. But I think it is probably a more interesting dynamic opposing him, as a Dalish elf. The way the romance plays out, it seems like they understand each other really well and want the same things...it was kinda implied some of his spies just assumed you were on his side because you are Dalish. But you know the truth. I thought Tresspaser was well done, really capturing so many mixed emotions.

[Inkvisiittori]

At the expense of all the current elves? Solas makes it clear no matter what race you are that this world must die to save the old one.

 

The current elves aren't worth saving, from certain point of view. They are sick and dying. They have lost their immortality. That is unnatural. Should they even be called elves anymore, when the only difference between them and the humans is the shape of their ears? Why should they be saved instead of the ancient elves? If the dalish truly want to bring back the old world where their kind of once ruled like Gods, then they should be willing to sacrifice what ever it takes to achieve that. Even if it means the death of the modern elves. If that world can be restored at the expense of the current sick and false one, then some may think it's worth it.

 

What reason would those elves have to want to save the modern world where their kind are treated like vermin? They have been enslaved by humans for centuries, they are little more than "shadows" like Abelas said. Even their magic seems to be dying. They have lost their culture, they have lost their language and even the best of them (the dalish) only know stories and lies. They have nothing left. I can see that from certain point of view many of them might think that the sacrifice is the only way to save true elves and thus is worth it. At least the idea may tempt many, even if most would probably not actually be willing to go through with it in the end...

 

That is one way to look at it. My Inquisitor will attempt to change Solas mind and if that doesn't work then she will either kill him or die trying. I liked the romance very much and loved Trespasser. I'm kind of glad there wasn't option to follow him, however. It would have been little too similar to Witch Hunt and the temptation to follow him might have been too strong. Also... the story of lovers turned enemies sounds very intriguing...

[Robert Cousland]

 

I'm a crazy Solavellan fan and I don't want to burn the world. I just want to change his mind. 

Dont worry, you're col, I just meant the ones that want to go with him. 

 

 I disbanded the Inquisition in my Solas-romance, so that wouldn't be a problem

 

To be honest, If the choice was presented, I would have gone with Solas...I am Dalish after all, isn't that the ultimate goal? To rid ourselves of the Shem and recover and preserve what once was? I would. In DA4, when Solas returns as the potential villian, and I see my Levallan standing next to him, I would kick her a@# too. It would be awesome!

Except Solas has stated, multiple times, that he does not care one bit about the Dalish as a whole, and he cares even less about the City Elves. And no, the Dalish do not want to commit mass genocide, some hardline human hating clans might be okay with that, but the Dalish as a whole do not want to wipe out the Humans, they just want to be free to live their lives without fear or interference.

 

Eh, it's just a game, I'm sure most of them wouldn't consider that type of thing really.

 

Anyway, there are plenty of us Solavellan fans who don't want anything like that. 

 

I wonder about that...

 

Hey, most Solavellan fans are cool, its just the, "I want to help you burn the world", ones that scare me.

 

So, in the epilogue, all the elves are leaving to presumably join Solas. I believed they would enter a place where the eluvians lead, leaving this world behind - Dalish, City, and Hedge alike. It was a presumption, I admit, but how is he going to save the elves if there aren't any to save? 

He says it in game, by burning the world and turning back time to when his people were at their height. He's not taking the modern Elves back with him, he's the only one who gets to go back.

 

You're right, he does. So, where are all the elves going?

Even a would be god needs an army, until they've outlived their usefulness, that is.

[Sah291]

Hey, most Solavellan fans are cool, its just the, "I want to help you burn the world", ones that scare me.

To be fair, following him to wherever he is going is probably the best way of actually trying to stop him, for a friended/romanced Inquisitor who already got him to doubt himself once. That seems to be spirit Cole's plan at least.

Then there are those who just want a darkside/evil option, or to play a villian. But Bioware isn't going that direction.

[IllustriousT]

Except Solas has stated, multiple times, that he does not care one bit about the Dalish as a whole, and he cares even less about the City Elves. And no, the Dalish do not want to commit mass genocide, some hardline human hating clans might be okay with that, but the Dalish as a whole do not want to wipe out the Humans, they just want to be free to live their lives without fear or interference.

 

 

I was mistaken on a few accounts when I made that assumption, and it was an assumption. People have pointed out the error in my response.

 

 

 

 

Hey, most Solavellan fans are cool, its just the, "I want to help you burn the world", ones that scare me.

 

 

 

If my Inquisitor's story is going to end, and I am going to be have a different protagonist in DA4...I would like her to go out with a bang. I sacrificed myself in DA:O because I couldn't bare (as an elf) to be Alistair's mistress, and I felt the whole God baby thing was a little too evil. I don't typically do the evil thing. So, in this case...as I stated in my original post. I would like to do the "evil" thing and then be able to battle my evil version of Levallan. It was more in jest. In DA4, if we really are going to be able to stop Solas  and redeem him...I would prefer that option, but then his remarks about what he will become, tells me he's going pure crazy on the world. 

[Almostfaceman]

This. If some extraordinary powerful, godlike person steps out of the woodwork and claims he's going to restore ancient Elvhenan for the glory of the elven people, conveniently leaving out the part where His Elves and Modern Elves are practically different species, you can bet he's going to get a crapton of converts and soldiers for his cause.

Fen'Harel's favorite hobby besides painting frescoes is lying by omission.

 

Wrong. Solas is clearly pissed off that the elves haven't dealt with the Veil better and he doesn't like how it's changed them. But he still will destroy the Veil because they can be restored. It's revealed in his conversation with Sera. He doesn't HAVE to talk to her. He doesn't even really like her. But he feels responsible for what he's done to her by putting up the Veil. The game puts this "behind the scenes" dialogue to explore how Solas thinks about what he's done to the elven people. Not only has he taken away their agelessness he's also taken away all they could be when there is no Veil. 

 

Solas: Ar dirthan'as ir elgara, ma'sula e'var vhenan.

Sera: Pppbbthh!

Solas: Excuse me?

Sera: Excuse yourself, whatever you said and what I did, same difference to me.

Solas: I'd hoped, well, our people can sometimes feel the rhythm of the language despite lacking the vocabulary.

Sera: Uh huh? Know what else is good? Words that mean things. Like these. Words.

Solas: Fenedhis lasa.

Sera: Pppbbthh.

 

Solas: Our people used to be here.

Sera: Pfft, you say that everywhere

 

Sera: (shivers) Weird.

Solas: Sera? What are you feeling?

Sera: Ugh, here we go. It’s nothing, it just feels like I've seen this. Exactly this. It happens.

Solas: Not to everyone.

(If Inquisitor is an elf)

Sera: It’s not an elf thing. Inquisitor's not shaking.

(Otherwise)

Sera: It’s not an elf thing. You’re not shaking.

Sera: I suppose now you’ll switch to how I’m the same but different?

Solas: You are different. You are the furthest from what you were meant to be.

Sera: Well I’ve definitely heard ****** like this before. Hmph!

 

Solas: What color is the sky, Sera?

Sera: Hang on.

Solas: It is an earnest question. What color is the sky when you look at it?

Sera: You know, blue mostly. Except for the Breachy bits.

Solas: And when you looked past the Breach? As perhaps you were drawn to do?

Sera: Greenish? Then clear a long ways, and kind of... felt like falling.

Sera: Ugh! Makes my head hurt. You make my head hurt.

Solas: We are not so far apart, you and I.

 

Couple that with "elves see the Fade differently" that the game makes a point of. It's clear Solas feels bad for what he did to his people by raising the Veil. It turned them into something different. So he'll restore them by destroying the Veil. 

[ArcaneEsper]

I'm gonna be honest here, if the Veil is torn down and the Elves just become ~more magical~ it's going to feel very underwhelming. Altering the nature of existence should come at a huge cost and any benefits of doing so shouldn't be immediate, IMO.

[Inkvisiittori]

I'm gonna be honest here, if the Veil is torn down and the Elves just become ~more magical~ it's going to feel very underwhelming. Altering the nature of existence should come at a huge cost and any benefits of doing so shouldn't be immediate, IMO.

 

Agreed, but I doubt Solas is going to succeed. It would change the setting too drastically.

 

But if the Veil was torn down and the Evanuris would be freed then Ragnarök would begin... so it wouldn't really be that peaceful or happy time for anyone.

[Xerrai]

I'm gonna be honest here, if the Veil is torn down and the Elves just become ~more magical~ it's going to feel very underwhelming. Altering the nature of existence should come at a huge cost and any benefits of doing so shouldn't be immediate, IMO.

 

Yet when the veil came up in the first place, the effects were immediate. Everything (including the elves it seemed) became "de-magical".

The costly effects were also fairly immediate. The crossroads became cracked, the empire was being powered down, elves were dying from their no-long-sustained structures, etc.

 

More costs were revealed still over time when elves started loosing their immortality and becoming oppressed and whatnot.

 

I imagine that when the veil is torn down, the elves are going to be "more magical" but it is possible that this magical environment will simply be too much for them in terms of sensory information. Just as Solas viewed the world as one full of tranquil when he woke, what will the world become for the modern elves when the fade is literally dripping and infusing pretty much everything? I imagine this will be particularly true for magically sensitive elves that have abilities like sensing memories.

 

Some elves are definitely going to be screaming.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

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[lynroy]

No.

[Donk]

No.

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[DuckSoup]

It is heartbreaking, but I'm glad it ended the way it did. It would have been a shame if every romance in DA:I worked out positively because, like in real life, love isn't like that. It's wonderful, cruel and bloody hard work.

Solas disappearing and then reappearing in the DLC(!!!) At first I thought maybe it might work out. Maybe I'd have my happy ending. But alas. It just made my heart shatter all over again.

For me it was probably the best writing in the game.

[Gervaise]

I could be wrong but I think the main reason they put in the option to redeem Solas instead of kill him was because of the romance.    I realise some people still regard Solas as a friend and want to save him even if not in a romance with him but I found it very difficult to view it that way.    So my female romanced Lavellan still wants to try and save him from himself but my male Lavellan simply wants to stop him at all costs.  

 

If he told them he was going to release their gods, then I think some Dalish might support him, particularly if he didn't mention he had "plans" for them.   In fact fanatical Dalish supporting their mage lords might be the reason his plan goes wrong.     However, I hope the writers don't make out that every Dalish and every city elf rushes off to join him because I firmly believe that there would be those who would see it as morally wrong to destroy all the other living things in the world even if he didn't mention they were going to die too.    The problem is that he is unlikely to be totally honest with anyone he recruits because, as he freely admits, he uses people to achieve his ends.   Felassan, his agent, was the same and then ultimately Solas killed him because he had a change of heart and went against his master's plans.

[ArcaneEsper]

Agreed, but I doubt Solas is going to succeed. It would change the setting too drastically.

 

But if the Veil was torn down and the Evanuris would be freed then Ragnarök would begin... so it wouldn't really be that peaceful or happy time for anyone.

 

Yet when the veil came up in the first place, the effects were immediate. Everything (including the elves it seemed) became "de-magical".

The costly effects were also fairly immediate. The crossroads became cracked, the empire was being powered down, elves were dying from their no-long-sustained structures, etc.

 

More costs were revealed still over time when elves started loosing their immortality and becoming oppressed and whatnot.

 

I imagine that when the veil is torn down, the elves are going to be "more magical" but it is possible that this magical environment will simply be too much for them in terms of sensory information. Just as Solas viewed the world as one full of tranquil when he woke, what will the world become for the modern elves when the fade is literally dripping and infusing pretty much everything? I imagine this will be particularly true for magically sensitive elves that have abilities like sensing memories.

 

Some elves are definitely going to be screaming.

 

I don't mind discussing this at length but I feel it's a bit off topic, considering the thread is about romancing Solas and not about his plans. So I'm just gonna politely nod my way out.

[Abyss108]

I could be wrong but I think the main reason they put in the option to redeem Solas instead of kill him was because of the romance.    I realise some people still regard Solas as a friend and want to save him even if not in a romance with him but I found it very difficult to view it that way.    So my female romanced Lavellan still wants to try and save him from himself but my male Lavellan simply wants to stop him at all costs.  

 

 

I don't see any reason a romanced Inquisitor would feel differently about this. In fact, I would think the opposite - it's a larger betrayal if you romanced him, so they should be less likely to want to save him. 

[Shechinah]

I could be wrong but I think the main reason they put in the option to redeem Solas instead of kill him was because of the romance.    I realise some people still regard Solas as a friend and want to save him even if not in a romance with him but I found it very difficult to view it that way.    So my female romanced Lavellan still wants to try and save him from himself but my male Lavellan simply wants to stop him at all costs.

I doubt the main reason behind the redeem option was the romance as Solas was noted by his writer to have been made a romance as part of a way to avoid the pitfalls of expected tropes and cliches with his character. Leaving the chance for him to be redeemed is another way of avoiding the expected with his character.  

 

It should also be noted that it was possible for the player to spare and Loghain, a non-romance outside of mods, in Dragon Age: Origins despite his crimes and Loghain showed none of the doubt about his beliefs that Solas does.