I just want to change his mind. You know, pretty-woman him. You know.
With the power of love ™
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But seriously, redemption is a legitimate goal in DA4, right?
I just want to change his mind. You know, pretty-woman him. You know.
With the power of love ™
....
But seriously, redemption is a legitimate goal in DA4, right?
While I hope redemption is a legitimate option in Dragon Age 4, I do not think it will be done through the power of love since he has shown himself willing to sacrifice it for what he believes is necessary. I think it more likely it will be accomplished by countering his beliefs through actions and words.
That does not rule out how a counter may appeal to his emotions as well, however.
I hope it has nothing to do with love (and I'm sure it won't). Why would someone abandon what they consider to be "saving the world" just because they find someone attractive? That's a terrible thing to do...
Solas should stop what he is doing because it's wrong, not because he wants to get in your pants.
I hope it has nothing to do with love (and I'm sure it won't). Why would someone abandon what they consider to be "saving the world" just because they find someone attractive? That's a terrible thing to do...
Solas should stop what he is doing because it's wrong, not because he wants to get in your pants.
I agree especially as I've seen it before in other stories and I seldom like the way it is executed because it almost always feels like they only changed their mind because something or someone they cared about were affected meaning they'd be fine or indifferent to the supposed wrong if it did not affect them or their loved ones.
I am not saying it cannot be done, I simply do not think I've seen it done yet to satisfying results and I do not think it would work in this case because like I've mentioned previously, Solas has shown himself to be willing to sacrifice love and happiness for what he believes is necessary for him to do so it would be very odd if he changed his mind because of love.
I hope it has nothing to do with love (and I'm sure it won't). Why would someone abandon what they consider to be "saving the world" just because they find someone attractive? That's a terrible thing to do...
Solas should stop what he is doing because it's wrong, not because he wants to get in your pants.
I agree especially as I've seen it before in other stories and I seldom like the way it is executed because it almost always feels like they only changed their mind because something or someone they cared about were affected meaning they'd be fine or indifferent to the supposed wrong if it did not affect them or their loved ones.
I am not saying it cannot be done, I simply do not think I've seen it done yet to satisfying results and I do not think it would work in this case because like I've mentioned previously, Solas has shown himself to be willing to sacrifice love and happiness for what he believes is necessary for him to do so it would be very odd if he changed his mind because of love.
Finding someone attractive and loving them are two entirely different things, though. But I do believe that if we even get the option of changing his mind, it won't be through love as that might lock too many other playthroughs out of that option.
Would I like it if we -could- change his mind? Yes, even with my inquisitors who are just friends with him. Would I love it even more if a romanced Solas refers to said romance as being a big contributor to changing his mind? Definitely. Because I am just a big ol' sap.
Guess I just don't understand the appeal of having someone you love abandoning something they truly believe in. I just don't like the idea that love and other ideals are mutually exclusive and love means you should have to give up something you really care about. That just makes me sad.
I'm definitely redeeming him in the next game, with my romanced Lavellan. But she'll be convincing him there's a better way, not that he should stop doing what he believes in for her.
Guess I just don't understand the appeal of having someone you love abandoning something they truly believe in. I just don't like the idea that love and other ideals are mutually exclusive and love means you should have to give up something you really care about. That just makes me sad.
I'm definitely redeeming him in the next game, with my romanced Lavellan. But she'll be convincing him there's a better way, not that he should stop doing what he believes in for her.
I don't think that's the reason shown in the romance why he hesitates and almost gives up (according to Weekes). I think it's more because she helped him to realize the people he is going to hurt are "real" (and not tranquils or pawns on a chessboard) and that the world still had good in it. But so does Cass, and Varric, and everyone else he befriends while with Inquisition. The romance just highlights that fact. So I think if there is a redemption arc, it's going to involve convincing him the world is still worth saving, and that he has a choice.I hope it has nothing to do with love (and I'm sure it won't). Why would someone abandon what they consider to be "saving the world" just because they find someone attractive? That's a terrible thing to do...
Solas should stop what he is doing because it's wrong, not because he wants to get in your pants.
I don't think that's the reason shown in the romance why he hesitates and almost gives up (according to Weekes). I think it's more because she helped him to realize the people he is going to hurt are "real" (and not tranquils or pawns on a chessboard) and that the world still had good in it. But so does Cass, and Varric, and everyone else he befriends while with Inquisition. The romance just highlights that fact. So I think if there is a redemption arc, it's going to involve convincing him the world is still worth saving, and that he has a choice.
Yeah, definitely. It's not the reason in Inquisition, and I don't want it to be the reason in the next game either.
I do believe in having someone you love abandon something they believe in if that something is fundamentally wrong and possibly results in mass-murder. Besides, I don't really make the distinction between changing his mind or convincing him there's a better way. To me, they're basically the same. Either there actually is another way that leaves everyone alive and well or not and as such my Lavellan will try to make him see reason and convince him not to do it. By any means available to her.
Of course, all this is moot if they do not let us redeem/persuade him. And considering we get a new protag this will probably be a long shot.
Convince him to stop because it's wrong, not because he loves you.
And I'm sure we will get the chance to the do that.
I always giggle when Solasmancers are like '' LET ME JOIN YOU I LOVE YOU '' like hell, you are going to ditch your life because of a man? Okkkkkk........
I guess it'd work if you always secretly hated (*rolls eyes*) all your inquisition buddies and all the shems in general and wanted to restore to glory of elves but.. COME ON WOMAN!?
What I like about Solas romance is that you get to be the victim, and all that rage, sadness and heartbreak converts to motivation, whether it's redeeming Solas or killing him. I love being the wounded party (except in faithful to qun Bull x Inq, that's just cruel)!!
My problem is the apparent mutually exclusive options. When my male Lavellan says that he is going to stop Solas by any means possible, that doesn't preclude the option of persuading him there is another way to achieve his ends that doesn't result in wholesale destruction. It is that he finds it somewhat hard to come up with an argument that hasn't been used already and it is really frustrating when he asks why the world has to die and Solas' response is that he doesn't want to give him too much information, which sort of contradicts the idea that he wants to be shown another way because if that was the case then he really should give you all the available facts. He is angry at Solas for his deception but that is not the reason he is willing to kill him; he genuinely wants to save the world from destruction, not because he likes the way the current world is, politically, but nevertheless it is still his home and if you ignore the selfish nobility there are a lot of good people out there, not to mention the myriad of other creatures that would presumably die as a result of Solas' plan. If you choose the alternative option of saying that you support his aim of saving the elven people (but not his means I might add - though that is my own interpretation of the response) then he says there is no glory in it. I actually found that response somewhat insulting since my lad wasn't looking for glory; he genuinely wants a better life for all elves in Thedas and doesn't mind if he doesn't get the credit for bringing that about. So clearly taking that response is meant to indicate that you do support his plan and it is all about elven glory, which is why I reloaded and opted for the non-elven one. It is also why I'm annoyed that the elven specific response suggests you are in favour of his plan.
The reason I find the redeem option more appropriate to my female romanced Lavellan is because she has got that much closer to Solas; she also wants to save the world from him but she wants to save Solas too. She clearly has touched him in some deeper way because he still seems to be watching her. To be honest, though, whilst she'd give her own life to save Solas, she certainly wouldn't give the life of every other person/creature in the world, so ultimately if there are no other options open to her, she would kill him.
This is why I hated the whole idea of choosing either redeem or destroy because it makes your character's response too paragon/ruthless and I don't feel the situation is that simple.
My problem is the apparent mutually exclusive options. When my male Lavellan says that he is going to stop Solas by any means possible, that doesn't preclude the option of persuading him there is another way to achieve his ends that doesn't result in wholesale destruction. It is that he finds it somewhat hard to come up with an argument that hasn't been used already and it is really frustrating when he asks why the world has to die and Solas' response is that he doesn't want to give him too much information, which sort of contradicts the idea that he wants to be shown another way because if that was the case then he really should give you all the available facts. He is angry at Solas for his deception but that is not the reason he is willing to kill him; he genuinely wants to save the world from destruction, not because he likes the way the current world is, politically, but nevertheless it is still his home and if you ignore the selfish nobility there are a lot of good people out there, not to mention the myriad of other creatures that would presumably die as a result of Solas' plan. If you choose the alternative option of saying that you support his aim of saving the elven people (but not his means I might add - though that is my own interpretation of the response) then he says there is no glory in it. I actually found that response somewhat insulting since my lad wasn't looking for glory; he genuinely wants a better life for all elves in Thedas and doesn't mind if he doesn't get the credit for bringing that about. So clearly taking that response is meant to indicate that you do support his plan and it is all about elven glory, which is why I reloaded and opted for the non-elven one. It is also why I'm annoyed that the elven specific response suggests you are in favour of his plan.
The reason I find the redeem option more appropriate to my female romanced Lavellan is because she has got that much closer to Solas; she also wants to save the world from him but she wants to save Solas too. She clearly has touched him in some deeper way because he still seems to be watching her. To be honest, though, whilst she'd give her own life to save Solas, she certainly wouldn't give the life of every other person/creature in the world, so ultimately if there are no other options open to her, she would kill him.
This is why I hated the whole idea of choosing either redeem or destroy because it makes your character's response too paragon/ruthless and I don't feel the situation is that simple.
I'm sure all this will be an option in the next game.
You just can't really say all that in a single final line to him before he leaves. It's not quite as dramatic to scream "Solas, I'LL SAVE YOU NO MATTER WHAT!... Oh, unless then I can't, then I'm totally killing you. But, y'know, I'll give saving you a shot first! ...Just don't take to long to change your mind".
It would be kinda insane to assume that just because your Inquisitor wants to save him in that scene, she still does after he spends an entire game murdering people or something. And that doesn't even take into account that she said that before he removed her arm. Even if it was necessary, I imagine some characters might be feeling a bit differently about him after that.
Aww come on! That is a work of art! These artists are very gifted and awesome! And I would like that kind of sexuality in that form with Solas with my Elven character.No.
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