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[German Soldier]

From what i remember their powers were probably based on a belief system like spirits or you tube channels,more followers more power.

In modern Thedas if Solas will release them they shouldn't be technically as powerful as they were in Arlathan.

[thats1evildude]

Their powers were not based on belief. They were just very powerful mages in an age where everyone had magic.

 

For them to be released, you would have to tear down the Veil, and they would likely be as powerful as they were, albeit with fewer followers.

[Reznore57]

There's nothing saying their powers depends on the faithful , I think that theory comes from the belief they might have been spirits in origin.

 

They shouldn't be as powerful as before  in Thedas because of the veil though.

At least Flemythal claims her power is greater in the fade.

[Vit246]

Uh, no. Not based on faith. But pre-Veil they were so powerful they might as well have been gods.

I thought that when Solas would release them, he'd do it at the same time when he would get rid of the Veil?

[Reznore57]

Uh, no. Not based on faith. But pre-Veil they were so powerful they might as well have been gods.

I thought that when Solas would release them, he'd do it at the same time when he would get rid of the Veil?

 

It's not exactly when he feels like releasing them , it's more when he destroys the veil , they should be able to escape.

If I was him , I would try to take care of them before unleashing armaggedon and using tons of power to destroy the veil.

[German Soldier]

Solas said that they became god step by step

generals,kings and then gods i assume that the more they became popular the more their powers increased.

Falon'din also started wars to obtain more followers.

[thats1evildude]

Falon'din also started wars to obtain more followers.

 

Out of vanity. Adulation breeds pride.

 

If I was him , I would try to take care of them before unleashing armaggedon and using tons of power to destroy the veil.

 

That might not be possible. If the Fade is their prison, then the Veil is essentially the lock on that prison; he may have to release them to deal with them.

[Abyss108]

They became ​thought of and remembered as Gods slowly over time. They probably did get more powerful over time, but that's due to practice/research/etc. Nothing to do with belief.

[wright1978]

Really hoping if they do return they aren't treated as cartoon villains or disposed of by Solas.

[Abyss108]

Really hoping if they do return they aren't treated as cartoon villains or disposed of by Solas.

 

 

They better not be disposed of by Solas. 

 

I need to kill them.

[German Soldier]

Out of vanity. Adulation breeds pride.

 

 

That might not be possible. If the Fade is their prison, then the Veil is essentially the lock on that prison; he may have to release them to deal with them.

There is nothing that disproves that they were not spirits.

Solas said also that the Evanuris were spirit-mages.

[wright1978]

They better not be disposed of by Solas. 

 

I need to kill them.

 

I  need to make sure they don't get killed.

[Abyss108]

 

There is nothing that disproves that they were not spirits.

Solas said also that the Evanuris were spirit-mages.

 

 

 

What do spirits have to do with this? Spirits aren't more powerful because of belief either...

[German Soldier]

What do spirits have to do with this? Spirits aren't more powerful because of belief either...

The nightmare demon is a spirit that took power from a belief system based on  fear

[Abyss108]

The nightmare demon is a spirit that took power from a belief system based on  fear

 

 

Power from fear, not belief. Doesn't matter how much or little you believe in that guy, it's not going to make it more/less powerful. Just how fearful you are.

 

I suppose a Spirit of Faith could get power from belief, maybe. But generally? Not based of belief.

[German Soldier]

Power from fear, not belief. Doesn't matter how much or little you believe in that guy, it's not going to make it more/less powerful. Just how fearful you are.

 

I suppose a Spirit of Faith could get power from belief, maybe. But generally? Not based of belief.

Based on credence,belief on such emotions who made them stronger.

The more your attachment to fear is stronger the more the Nightmare demon grow bigger,the more you thirst for revenge is stronger the more Elgar nana grow bigger,the more justice,vanity ecc the more the other Evanuris grow stronger.

[Abyss108]

 

Based on credence,belief on such emotions who made them stronger.

The more your attachment to fear is stronger the more the Nightmare demon grow bigger,the more you thirst for revenge is stronger the more Elgar nana grow bigger,the more justice,vanity ecc the more the other Evanuris grow stronger.

 

 

There is nothing to suggest this. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

This is just speculation of course, but I would guess based on the ending of Trespasser that the Evanuris will be the final big bad of the next story. Solas can be treated like a threat to be stopped or redeemed, but the Evanuris appear presented to be exclusively a threat. So perhaps Fen'Harel will be the like the Arishok or Orsino battle and Elgar'nan will be the final boss.

[wright1978]

This is just speculation of course, but I would guess based on the ending of Trespasser that the Evanuris will be the final big bad of the next story. Solas can be treated like a threat to be stopped or redeemed, but the Evanuris appear presented to be exclusively a threat. So perhaps Fen'Harel will be the like the Arishok or Orsino battle and Elgar'nan will be the final boss.

 

I'm definitely hoping for nothing that simplistic. I'd actually like to see them treated maturely and with complexity and maybe have them beat some sense into Solas rather than look here's some crazed elven boss to fight.

[Gervaise]

I think it had more to do with the fact that they were successful leaders in time of war, so they maintained their position in time of peace.   They were powerful mages anyway.   Then probably having access to lyrium and not letting anyone else have it, made them more powerful.   Each had followers and that made them more powerful still but not because of belief but simply because of having servants who could do things for you.    Presumably elves were still being born/coming into being after the earlier events, so they had never known anything else other than the godlike figure.   They were immortal in the sense of not dying natural deaths but also in the sense of being not being able to be killed.    Except that then Mythal was (although it turned out that was just a case of being vastly reduced in power) and so Solas was able to use the argument of them being as mortal as him to his followers.   However, he didn't think he was powerful enough to take on all 7 together and couldn't be sure they would stay dead, so he came up with his alternative plan of life imprisonment.    

 

There is no evidence that they became gods because of the belief of their followers; rather the opposite they became arrogant and assumed the role of gods to their followers and banished anyone who disputed that fact.

 

If they were released without dropping the Veil, they might not have such power because of being cut off from the Fade but since it would seem they can only be release if he does drop the Veil, then in theory they will have the same power as before.    They might even have more because if they have been shut in the Void they will draw on its power instead of the Fade, like the arch demons do.   May be they will also be able to use red lyrium, so there will be various sources of power that they will be available to them. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm definitely hoping for nothing that simplistic. I'd actually like to see them treated maturely and with complexity and maybe have them beat some sense into Solas rather than look here's some crazed elven boss to fight.

 

What complexity do you imagine they have? We see from our glimpses into history they are decadent megalomaniacs with delusions of godhood. They sound like they would each be like Corypheus x 10.

 

Even if they weren't all one dimensional, they certainly seem the type who would want to lay waste to or enslave the entire world after what happened to them.

[wright1978]

What complexity do you imagine they have? We see from our glimpses into history they are decadent megalomaniacs with delusions of godhood. They sound like they would each be like Corypheus x 10.
 
Even if they weren't all one dimensional, they certainly seem the type who would want to lay waste to or enslave the entire world after what happened to them.

We've seen the highly biased interpretation of the dread wolf. He's the one who destroyed the world.
In what way decadent, they led a highly advanced civilisation.
As far as god hood, it seems a perfectly reasonable that extremely powerful immortal beings might come to be viewed as gods and those beings would see the advantages such a status could convey. Do kings not usually claim divine blessing.
I definitely don't want them treated as corypheus times 10. I didn't like how corypheus was mishandled as it was.

[Abyss108]

We've seen the highly biased interpretation of the dread wolf. He's the one who destroyed the world.
In what way decadent, they led a highly advanced civilisation.
As far as god hood, it seems a perfectly reasonable that extremely powerful immortal beings might come to be viewed as gods and those beings would see the advantages such a status could convey. Do kings not usually claim divine blessing.
I definitely don't want them treated as corypheus times 10. I didn't like how corypheus was mishandled as it was.

 

So you believe all the information we saw Trespasser was faked? And things like Andruil hunting Elves were simply made up?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

We've seen the highly biased interpretation of the dread wolf. He's the one who destroyed the world.
In what way decadent, they led a highly advanced civilisation.
As far as god hood, it seems a perfectly reasonable that extremely powerful immortal beings might come to be viewed as gods and those beings would see the advantages such a status could convey. Do kings not usually claim divine blessing.
I definitely don't want them treated as corypheus times 10. I didn't like how corypheus was mishandled as it was.

 

Solas makes some specific claims about their greed, but it's not just Solas' testimony though. In both the elven ruins and the fade library we see glimpses of what type of beings they were, and they were arrogant and cruel. Elgar'nan build a statue of himself in a day using thousands of slaves. The Qunari conclude from their time in the fade library that their vices were far beyond that of present day Thedosian nobility. Even what we learn in the Temple of Mythal paints them as people who apparently reveled in murder and destruction. 

[Sah291]

If they are going with more ancient elven stuff in the next game, I really hope we get to find out and see a couple of them. Maybe one escapes before Solas can complete his plan. Well, something has to throw a wrench in his plan anyway, and I imagine some of them will be pretty ticked off.