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no more ordinary main character:Bioware need work serious this situation.


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well i think in the next game bioware need work the origins of each charácter with more options and scenes...really the system of story personal of each race is very ordinary in dragon age inquisition,we never see a scene of the story personal of the inquisitor.

 

 

in origins we have much scenes of the personal quest of each race.

 


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But even without a unique origin plot for each protagonist, they had already have to cut off at least two main quests to finish the game.



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I wish they'd do it Mass Effect 1 style; you choose a non-playable origin, and get a unqiue sidequest halfway through the game along with the occasional mention of your background by the NPCs. Colonist Sole Survivor was great.


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Like DAO:Tevinter pretty much?

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I felt like the Inquisitor's ordinary backstory, no matter their race, was integral for the Inquisitor's growth. They are ordinary, yet become extraordinary through their mark and their sudden respect and responsibilities. 


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I wish they'd do it Mass Effect 1 style; you choose a non-playable origin, and get a unqiue sidequest halfway through the game along with the occasional mention of your background by the NPCs. Colonist Sole Survivor was great.

I also thought Colonist War Hero was amusing... So many (dead) batarians :P



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I felt like the Inquisitor's ordinary backstory, no matter their race, was integral for the Inquisitor's growth. They are ordinary, yet become extraordinary through their mark and their sudden respect and responsibilities. 

 

Yeah - and even if we assume that all DA PCs are 'speshul' or at least have a potential for greatness, I felt the DAO story was going a bit overboard with underlining how 'speshul' and awesome HoF was... which, sadly, appears to be the reason why HoF appeals more than Inky to some people, never mind origin stories.


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I wish they'd do it Mass Effect 1 style; you choose a non-playable origin, and get a unqiue sidequest halfway through the game along with the occasional mention of your background by the NPCs. Colonist Sole Survivor was great.


I would like this. It bummed me out that I never got to meet any of the Valo-Kas or the Cadash clan, etc. outside of war table missions. Would have been nice to run into them at some point in the game!
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I would like this. It bummed me out that I never got to meet any of the Valo-Kas or the Cadash clan, etc. outside of war table missions. Would have been nice to run into them at some point in the game!

 

 Some of the War Table missions would have been great to actually playthrough, like saving my own clan, instead of sending Cullen,Josie, or Leliana. 



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war table missions is a very mediocre concept for solve quest personal...if you compare this with origins you see what low quality have this..

 

DAO have scenes and encounters with people of each personal quest...in inquisition this never happen..

 

is a game very lineal..very bad and i think more bad of DA2.



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war table missions is a very mediocre concept for solve quest personal...if you compare this with origins you see what low quality have this..

 

DAO have scenes and encounters with people of each personal quest...in inquisition this never happen..

 

is a game very lineal..very bad and i think more bad of DA2.

 

War table missions were not "personal" - those were additional quests. You can't in good conscience compare the two when a great deal of war missions were written after they've done all of the VO for the game.

 

Add to that the fact that there's a good reason why Inquisitor doesn't encounter many people they've known form the past - they're Free Marchers, far away from home. In DAO, all of the Wardens were from the territory of Ferelden, and the game runs most of them them through places they know.

 

You know what it made? It made DAO feel smaller... which is fine, because DAO was a smaller game in scope by design. Inquisition is far bigger and it tells a different story on many levels, including the tale of a different hero - one ripped entirely  from their familiar surroundings and all they know in order to try and grow into a role thrown at them by circumstances and people who believe they were chosen to save them.


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Also don't forget, the Warden in DAO is only a normal soldier. (Yes, until they become Warden Commander at the end of the game/DAA they're just a soldier)

So it makes sense that they do stuff like the Chantry Board quests, or the quests for the Magi Collective etc.

 

The Inquisitor on the contrary is the leader of an organisation. They can't go everywhere by themselves. (of course there are fetch quests and other stuff in the regions, but those side quests can/could be done by just exploring the area/on the way to the next Inquisition camp)



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The Inquisitor on the contrary is the leader of an organisation.

This is only true once you reach Skyhold, and the process by which it occurs makes sense. Pre-Skyhold, the Herald is a junior member of the team (clearly led by Cassandra and Leliana). It is only out of necessity that someone is named Inquisitor, and the Herald is the obvious choice.

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This is only true once you reach Skyhold, and the process by which it occurs makes sense. Pre-Skyhold, the Herald is a junior member of the team (clearly led by Cassandra and Leliana). It is only out of necessity that someone is named Inquisitor, and the Herald is the obvious choice.

 

They're still among leaders in Inquisition, given that they're invited to war table meetings, plus they're considered by many a holy person ever since they've emerged from the Fade.



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This is only true once you reach Skyhold, and the process by which it occurs makes sense. Pre-Skyhold, the Herald is a junior member of the team (clearly led by Cassandra and Leliana). It is only out of necessity that someone is named Inquisitor, and the Herald is the obvious choice.

 

They're still among leaders in Inquisition, given that they're invited to war table meetings, plus they're considered by many a holy person ever since they've emerged from the Fade.

 

 

Yes and even before Skyhold Cassandra will turn to the Herald and ask for his/her opinion.

 

"What do you think, what should we do?" (or something along these lines)


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I disagree with the original poster.  I like the idea of being ordinary and rising to the occasion.  Heroes are not born.  They are made.  Ordinary people become these heroes when they do extraordinary things and not simply because they are extra ordinary to begin with.


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They're still among leaders in Inquisition, given that they're invited to war table meetings, plus they're considered by many a holy person ever since they've emerged from the Fade.

The Inquisition uses the Herald as a tool before Skyhold. The Herald is in no way in charge.

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Yes and even before Skyhold Cassandra will turn to the Herald and ask for his/her opinion.

"What do you think, what should we do?" (or something along these lines)

That's good leadership, seeking opinions and input.

Have you ever been a manager? That's exactly how you manage people.

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The Inquisition uses the Herald as a tool before Skyhold. The Herald is in no way in charge.

 

Not my point. The point is that since their miraculous survival their position was always unique. Even if we assume that Cass, Leli, Josephine and Cullen only thought of Herald as Inquisition's mascot or political puppet at the beginning, they still invited them to war table meetings, during which they've had influence on Inquisition's decisions, culminating with them picking who we choose as allies and proposing either alliance or conscription to those allies we've managed to secure.

 

So - not in full charge perhaps, but not a subordinate either.



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That's good leadership, seeking opinions and input.

Have you ever been a manager? That's exactly how you manage people.

 

I was once team "boss" for a day (our team boss had a meeting and her replacement had her day off), defintely not for me. 

No one listened to me. (I basically told them about a special task, the actual team boss had given to me for the team a day before, but the only response I got was "We know what we have to do. :rolleyes:" so I went "Okay." and did it myself <_<)

 

But I'm getting OT  :pinched:

 

The Herald may not be full in charge, but they still decide many important missions. Be it siding with Mages/Templars, or who to recruit as an Agent.



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Not my point. The point is that since their miraculous survival their position was always unique. Even if we assume that Cass, Leli, Josephine and Cullen only thought of Herald as Inquisition's mascot or political puppet at the beginning, they still invited them to war table meetings, during which they've had influence on Inquisition's decisions, culminating with them picking who we choose as allies and proposing either alliance or conscription to those allies we've managed to secure.

So - not in full charge perhaps, but not a subordinate either.

I didn't say subordinate. I said junior member.

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The Herald may not be full in charge, but they still decide many important missions. Be it siding with Mages/Templars, or who to recruit as an Agent.

You're empowered to make decisions in the field, yes, but you don't have carte blanche. The other Inquisition members will sometimes openly question whether you made a good decision, and I recall once Cassandra shutting that down with "we have to trust our team". Team. Not leader.

And regarding mages or templars, I would describe the Herald not as the final arbiter, but as the swing vote.

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Also, Cullen Says: "we can't in good conscience order you to do this..."

 

And Lelianna's first Softening attempt.  "Junior" members should not be able to do that....


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Also, Cullen Says: "we can't in good conscience order you to do this..."

 

And Lelianna's first Softening attempt.  "Junior" members should not be able to do that....

 

First, the Inquisitor is not a junior member. The mark alone makes the Inquisitor more than that. The other so-called senior members do not have the power to seal the Breach or the rifts. That puts the Inquisitor on equal footing with the advisors.

 

Second, the Inquisitor is seen as the Herald of Andraste by many. That also gives the Inquisitor (Herald) standing. So it would not be out of place for the Herald of Andrate to council one of the faithful (Lelianna) who does not see the Herald as a junior member, but as a prophet who speaks for Andraste and the Maker. Lelianna even asks the Herald that in her moment of weakness.


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The multiple echoes from previous choices in the series are much better than any DAO specific race/social background, no way they would have exchange the first for the second. In my opinion it was too limited in DAO to be a that important feature, it was more an overated stuff that hit the mind just because of the various beginnings not because of the amount of consequences.

 

The idea is good but any racial/social parallel branch is cut off of something else, so I'm not sure in practice it's that good, it's much better to implement consequences of choices during the game than just from race/social at character creation.