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[Addictress]

Aren't the Qunari that have magical abilities supposed to be like Saarebas - super powerful? And have those...force-field abilities? I would've appreciated a special Saarebas-like set of abilities for the Qunari Inquisitor.

[Addictress]

I especially miss that BUBBLE ability that would wreak such havoc in DA2.

 

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[vertigomez]

She's not a regular ol' magey mage. She's a PHWOAR magey mage.

[AresKeith]

Aren't the Qunari that have magical abilities supposed to be like Saarebas - super powerful? And have those...force-field abilities? I would've appreciated a special Saarebas-like set of abilities for the Qunari Inquisitor.

 

Because they're not Qunari?

[Lazarillo]

I think it's not so much that Saarebas are somehow special in terms of magic, just that they're trained differently. Qunari only really see magic as a destructive, dangerous force, so it makes sense that their Mages only ever learn to do extremely dangerous, destructive things. Southern philosophies towards magic are different, so even those who don't learn it in Circles tend to approach with more control and finesse.

[Xerrai]

I don't really see a reason why a Vashoth mage should be that different from any other mage. That's like saying an elvhen mage should be different from a human mage.

 

All that should really be different between modern mages is their techniques. Not an inherent uber power level (or at least not one that is noticeable). The serabas from Par Vollen are simply trained/self-taught under a different set of values and with different tools because of the society in which they live. Similarly, Circle mages are taught under their own system, so are the Rivaini seers, the Avaar, etc.

 

But none are inherently more "super powerful" over the other.

 

As far as I can tell, a Vashoth Inquisitor is much like a Dalish First in that they are essentially hedge mages. So I see no reason why a Vashoth Inquisitor would have techniques that would differ so wildly from the more commonly used magics (the magic we see in the game) as opposed to the serabas' Par Vollen learned techniques.

[Andromelek]

I think it's not so much that Saarebas are somehow special in terms of magic, just that they're trained differently. Qunari only really see magic as a destructive, dangerous force, so it makes sense that their Mages only ever learn to do extremely dangerous, destructive things. Southern philosophies towards magic are different, so even those who don't learn it in Circles tend to approach with more control and finesse.

Saarebas are not trained at all, they are treated like battle beasts when they show to have magic, and indeed they are stated to be more powerful than Circle mages.

[Dubozz]

You can be as powerful as Saarebas but in that case you would have to sew your mouth and put on some chains. Also you would have to live in the cage.

[ModernAcademic]

I know how you feel. I wish I could shoot thunderbolts from my horns, powerful enough to electrocute the whole battlefield and make people's heads explode.

 

Staves are so overrated.

[Big I]

I'm not really sure what was up with the saarebases in Trespasser (maybe all the lyrium the Viddasala was giving them?), but according to the lore qunari mages are supposed to be significantly worse than Circle mages. One of the reasons the qunari didn't win the Exalted Marches was because Tevinter and the southern Chantry had the Circle.

 

Maybe saarebases are blood mages? The amulet you get from the saarebas in DA2 act one enhances blood magic.

[Andromelek]

I'm not really sure what was up with the saarebases in Trespasser (maybe all the lyrium the Viddasala was giving them?), but according to the lore qunari mages are supposed to be significantly worse than Circle mages. One of the reasons the qunari didn't win the Exalted Marches was because Tevinter and the southern Chantry had the Circle.
 
Maybe saarebases are blood mages? The amulet you get from the saarebas in DA2 act one enhances blood magic.

The only lyrium-duped Saarebas we saw was Saarath, and I think even Solas would have a headache for fighting him.

[nightscrawl]

You can't really think the devs would do that... Even the racial bonuses in DAO didn't really amount to very much.

[Aulis Vaara]

I don't really see a reason why a Vashoth mage should be that different from any other mage.

Maybe the magically potent dragon blood running through their veins.

And the reason why they aren't different is because Bioware sucks at gameplay and story integration. They're just so afraid to actually let their races have the traits they gave them in lore. Whether it's mages not being allowed to go near Lyrium, seekers being actual seekers instead of templars, or qunari mages being empowered by their dragon blood.

Even Red Lyrium isn't dangerous to anyone.

[Shechinah]

Aren't the Qunari that have magical abilities supposed to be like Saarebas - super powerful? And have those...force-field abilities? I would've appreciated a special Saarebas-like set of abilities for the Qunari Inquisitor.

 
I do not believe so as the Saarebas, not to be confused with bas saarebas, becomes the balls of undisciplined power that they are because of how they are trained, for the lack of a better word, by the Qunari. I have not seen it indicated that this is the result of their race.
 
To elaborate, the saarebas differs from other hedge mages in that the Qunari train them to focus entirely on destruction like gaatlok made flesh and blood.
 
According to an interview with David Gaider by Ashe, otherwise known as Lady Insanity:
 
David Gaider: "A saarebas is somebody who- they are essentially a hedge mage because they've never recieved proper instructions so their talents are- they are sort of turned into weapons so any kind of instructions they recieve is basically just to channel their magical power into destruction so they are basically just like point  saarebas at someone and shoot. (...) They are not gonna have more subtle arts, they are not going to be able to do crowd control or do different things really."
Ashe | Lady Insanity: "So it's all geared towards destruction when it comes to saarebas?"
David Gaider: "Yeah, they consider saarebas to be weapon, yeah. The qunari player is someone who has not lived within the Qun at all."
 
Source: https://www.youtube....XCpKDqFb8#t=706

[Addictress]

To all the people who said that 'they're just trained to be more destructive' I have some counters:

 

1. In war, if a nation can take an advantage to make a weapon more powerful, then why wouldn't they? If any Tevinter or Fereldan mage could access the same powers as a Qunari mage then why wouldn't they have a class of super-powerful battlemages on par with the Saarebas? However they don't and that miner guy you meet in the deep roads mine in Trespasser still outright stated that Saarebas are a lot more dangerous. And you can't say it's because the Circles are built on controlling and fearing magic, because Par Vollen has even more of this sentiment than they do - both sides in an hypothetical Qun-non-Qun war would have fear of magic.

2. The circles helped the south win likely because perhaps although the individual Saarebas is more powerful than an individual southern mage, they have fewer of them and, in addition, they are MUCH more fearful of magic in Par Vollen than anywhere else, and would make sure they stay few in number and are not educated or fine-tuned to their max potential, regardless of the military advantage that turning their saarebas into ultimate destructive weapons would provide. I would say the Viddasala's plan to jack up the Saarebas was unusual and a new development for the Qunari. They are usually utilized in battles (like in DA2, we saw many of them) but probably not all the time and definitely with "chains and leashes." The Viddasala, however, was part of a program that experimented and turned to saarebas in reaction to the 'out-of-control' magic happening in the south. Extreme circumstances met with extreme measures.

3. Magical dragon blood coursing through their veins. Just as the elves have an inherent ability to tap into the fade a little better than humans because of their background, I would imagine the Qunari are also a bit more powerful because of their dragon-y ancestry.

[Heimdall]

qunari mages are not more powerful than non-qunari mages. Saarebas have different powers because all they really know how to do is flail raw power at people, but they aren't actually more powerful. I think Bioware just sucks at making normal Mage enemies difficult.

Saarath only had more power because he'd been given massive amounts of lyrium.

[vertigomez]

Is there any explanation given as to why the Saarabas are so honking huge in DAI?

[IllustriousT]

Is there any explanation given as to why the Saarabas are so honking huge in DAI?

 

Because its cool.

[Addictress]

qunari mages are not more powerful than non-qunari mages. Saarebas have different powers because all they really know how to do is flail raw power at people, but they aren't actually more powerful. I think Bioware just sucks at making normal Mage enemies difficult.

Saarath only had more power because he'd been given massive amounts of lyrium.

Then why did that miner guy say they're more powerful? He wasn't referring to just Saarath.

[Shechinah]

To all the people who said that 'they're just trained to be more destructive' I have some counters:

 

1. In war, if a nation can take an advantage to make a weapon more powerful, then why wouldn't they? If any Tevinter or Fereldan mage could access the same powers as a Qunari mage then why wouldn't they have a class of super-powerful battlemages on par with the Saarebas? However they don't and that miner guy you meet in the deep roads mine in Trespasser still outright stated that Saarebas are a lot more dangerous. And you can't say it's because the Circles are built on controlling and fearing magic, because Par Vollen has even more of this sentiment than they do - both sides in an hypothetical Qun-non-Qun war would have fear of magic.

 

The Circles of Magi are sworn to neutrality by the Chantry with exceptions being events such as Blights. They do this because the Chantry might otherwise take action against them. The Circles may reside in nations and the nations may and can decide to interfer with Circle affairs but it comes at a consequence with the Chantry and other nations as seen, I believe, with Fereldan and the mage boon.

 

It is unlikely the Chantry would be pleased by and approve of the idea of deliberately trying to mages into undisiciplined power houses more dangerous than they already believe them to be especially since the Circles, I believe, are suppose to teach mages to control their magic.

 

I believe a difference is also that the Qun are also unified whereas the South is composed of nations who harbor distrust to each other and so might object strenously to the idea of other countries developing weapons of mass destruction in flesh and blood form.

 

The Qun and the Chantry both fear and believe in controlling magic but the ways of which they go about doing this and the extent to which they do it are very different from each other.
 

[Shechinah]

To all the people who said that 'they're just trained to be more destructive' I have some counters:

 

3. Magical dragon blood coursing through their veins. Just as the elves have an inherent ability to tap into the fade a little better than humans because of their background, I would imagine the Qunari are also a bit more powerful because of their dragon-y ancestry.

 

It may be possible but I believe it is still speculation as I've not seen evidence of this as far as I know. Regardless, I still believe it stands that Adaar would not have the same way with magic as saarebas would due to never having cannonically been a part of the Qun nor been a saarebas within it.
 

[Heimdall]

Then why did that miner guy say they're more powerful? He wasn't referring to just Saarath.

He could simply be wrong, mistaking the saarebas raw expression of power for a superiority of power.

[Aulis Vaara]

It may be possible but I believe it is still speculation

Seriously? What more evidence do you need? It's blatantly obvious that qunari have dragon blood.

[Shechinah]

Seriously? What more evidence do you need? It's blatantly obvious that qunari have dragon blood.

 

No, no, I mean that the dragon blood makes qunari more powerful as mages and not that qunari do not have dragon blood.
 

[Heimdall]

No, no, I mean that the dragon blood makes qunari more powerful as mages and not that qunari do not have dragon blood.

The implication seems to be that it made them more aggressive and uncontrollable, not necessarily that it makes them more powerful.