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[Illegitimus]

Fiona is of course the most hated Dragon Age character this side of Howe.  Her role in starting the Mage uprising is one thing, but the way it finished, with her indenturing her followers to a Tevinter magister would put her beyond the pale even without that magister being what he was.  Many have wondered at the sheer idiocy of doing that.  I mean sure her side was apparently losing, but Ferelden had offered them a place of relatively secure refuge, and the Templars weren't exactly knocking at the door.  It's particularly odd since Fiona had initially made the fairly sensible choice of making overtures to the up and coming new power in the field, a group that was quickly gathering power but still needed help enough that she could make a deal on favourable terms.

 

But then time travel was used to undo that...or was it?  The thing is, the puzzling question there is, "if history was changed, why did the Inquisition still remember Fiona's visit to Val Royeux?"   It's not like it was just the Inquisitor who remembered after all.  And did the magister really have enough of a grasp on his time trickery to risk walking through one of his portals to use it that way?  And even if Fiona was intercepted before leaving, surely she would realize that trusting a Vint Magister should only be done as a last resort and still go for the Inquisition first...

 

But what if that wasn't what happened?   What if time travel is just a red herring?  What if what actually happened was that the Venatori intercepted Fiona on her way back, overwhelmed her, and then used blood magic to change her memories to think she'd never left and had agreed to this deal?  Is she still an idiot?  At least the Fiona before her mind was readjusted?  Such an idea would explain why the Inquisition still remembers Fiona's overture...

[Illyria]

Fiona is of course the most hated Dragon Age character this side of Howe.  Her role in starting the Mage uprising is one thing, but the way it finished, with her indenturing her followers to a Tevinter magister would put her beyond the pale even without that magister being what he was.  Many have wondered at the sheer idiocy of doing that.  I mean sure her side was apparently losing, but Ferelden had offered them a place of relatively secure refuge, and the Templars weren't exactly knocking at the door.  It's particularly odd since Fiona had initially made the fairly sensible choice of making overtures to the up and coming new power in the field, a group that was quickly gathering power but still needed help enough that she could make a deal on favourable terms.

 

But then time travel was used to undo that...or was it?  The thing is, the puzzling question there is, "if history was changed, why did the Inquisition still remember Fiona's visit to Val Royeux?"   It's not like it was just the Inquisitor who remembered after all.  And did the magister really have enough of a grasp on his time trickery to risk walking through one of his portals to use it that way?  And even if Fiona was intercepted before leaving, surely she would realize that trusting a Vint Magister should only be done as a last resort and still go for the Inquisition first...

 

But what if that wasn't what happened?   What if time travel is just a red herring?  What if what actually happened was that the Venatori intercepted Fiona on her way back, overwhelmed her, and then used blood magic to change her memories to think she'd never left and had agreed to this deal?  Is she still an idiot?  At least the Fiona before her mind was readjusted?  Such an idea would explain why the Inquisition still remembers Fiona's overture...

 

Wow.

 

You make a lot of assumptions about how people feel about the best Grey Warden revolutionary.

 

The Inquisitor rememebred her because time is only changed within Redcliffe.  The influence of time magic can't spread any futher.  So in the original timeline things are going well for the mages, Fiona goes to Val Royeus and makes her offer, the Herald travels to Redcliffe.

 

In the altered timeline Alexius turns up, things are going less well for the mages (likely a result of the Fear Demon that Cory has working for him messing with the mages to create more fear and urgancy about the templars), the alliance is made.  Fiona never travels to VR.

 

But she already had.  That can't be altered because it's outside the influence of time magic

 

The Mage Rebellion was doing well before Alexius arrived and Cory started messing with them.  But then it was changed so that they weren't doing well and Fiona never travelled to VR.  If the time magic was at its full influence then the Herald would've been altered too, since she never would've met Fiona.  This is also why Fiona has an o.O moment when the Herald brings up their meeting because it had happened, and it hadn't happend (Dorian even says that this is less time travel and more punching a hole through reality).

 

tl;dr: never try and think too much about timetravel, you'll give yourself a headache.

[lynroy]

Look, another Fiona thread!

[Tidus]

Actually I like Fiona.. She not evil like  Howe and Loghain. I enjoy killing those two more then the Trevinter slaver.

[Abyss108]

I don't hate Fiona. 

 

She tried to make the best of a bad situation and stop all her people getting wiped out. Can't blame her for that.

[nightscrawl]

Fiona is of course the most hated Dragon Age character this side of Howe.

 

I don't hate Fiona. 
 
She tried to make the best of a bad situation and stop all her people getting wiped out. Can't blame her for that.

Same.

[vbibbi]

[Cribbian]

She's really stupid in DA:I but I don't hate her at all.

[Steelcan]

Its fine for me, she's decorating the side of Haven in a lovely blood smear

[Medhia_Nox]

I hate Adrian more than Fiona... Fiona's just another in a painfully long list of incompetent DA mages. 

 

I'm still bitter I never got to deal with Adrian.

[Xilizhra]

I hate Adrian more than Fiona... Fiona's just another in a painfully long list of incompetent DA mages. 

 

I'm still bitter I never got to deal with Adrian.

Teehee.

 

I do wonder what happens to her in a mage alliance playthrough. She was almost certainly in a cell of the rebellion outside Redcliffe; it's highly unlikely that she would have stayed quiet through In Hushed Whispers had she been in Redcliffe. Come to think of it, she may have gotten away altogether even in Champions of the Just.

[Master Warder Z_]

I hate Adrian more than Fiona... Fiona's just another in a painfully long list of incompetent DA mages. 

 

I'm still bitter I never got to deal with Adrian.

 

She probably got butchered along with the Venatori, a uppity mage like her no doubt bought into their crap and she was promptly killed by the Inquisition.

 

Its the most likely scenario, I mean her rebellion fell apart, like anyone with sense knew it would and the war that those stupid mages wanted so badly was killing them all, so no doubt she'd jump ship to avoid that doom, only leap head first into a cult that promptly sent her to get killed off at Haven or wherever.

[Xilizhra]

She probably got butchered along with the Venatori, a uppity mage like her no doubt bought into their crap and she was promptly killed by the Inquisition.

 

Its the most likely scenario, I mean her rebellion fell apart, like anyone with sense knew it would and the war that those stupid mages wanted so badly was killing them all, so no doubt she'd jump ship to avoid that doom, only leap head first into a cult that promptly sent her to get killed off at Haven or wherever.

I think she's too stubborn in her convictions to side with the Venatori, really. It'd just be becoming a slave to a new master. I think that she'd hold out as an independent before eventually coming back in to join the new College.

[Iakus]

She's really stupid in DA:I but I don't hate her at all.

Yup.  Stupid and hypocritical.

 

She'd rather she and all her fellow mages die than be enslaved by the Chantry.

 

But would rather be a slave in Tevinter than die for those beliefs.

 

I don't hate her.  I pity her lack of conviction and willingness to sell out her own people to save her own skin.

[Iakus]

She probably got butchered along with the Venatori, a uppity mage like her no doubt bought into their crap and she was promptly killed by the Inquisition.

 

Its the most likely scenario, I mean her rebellion fell apart, like anyone with sense knew it would and the war that those stupid mages wanted so badly was killing them all, so no doubt she'd jump ship to avoid that doom, only leap head first into a cult that promptly sent her to get killed off at Haven or wherever.

My own guess was she was one of those crazed mages drunk with power and tearing up the Hinterlands.  Seems like the kind of thing she'd do without someone like Rhys to hold her back.

[Xilizhra]

Yup.  Stupid and hypocritical.

 

She'd rather she and all her fellow mages die than be enslaved by the Chantry.

 

But would rather be a slave in Tevinter than die for those beliefs.

 

I don't hate her.  I pity her lack of conviction and willingness to sell out her own people to save her own skin.

Well, keep in mind that the latter was only for ten years while the former was permanent.

[Iakus]

Well, keep in mind that the latter was only for ten years while the former was permanent.

That she believed that only adds to her "stupidity" column.

 

Liberati have very limited rights in Tevinter.

[Xilizhra]

That she believed that only adds to her "stupidity" column.

 

Liberati have very limited rights in Tevinter.

It seemed like there are established procedures for contracts of indenture that give immigrants to Tevinter full rights (note the "full rights" part as well). They'd have been laetan at the end of it.

[Steelcan]

Isn't Adrian said to have died at the Conclave?

[Iakus]

It seemed like there are established procedures for contracts of indenture that give immigrants to Tevinter full rights (note the "full rights" part as well). They'd have been laetan at the end of it.

Citation needed

[Iakus]

Isn't Adrian said to have died at the Conclave?

Haven't found anything stating what her ultimate fate was

[Xilizhra]

Isn't Adrian said to have died at the Conclave?

No.

 

 

Citation needed

What Alexius says. He might be making it up, but there's nothing anywhere that contradicts him (and it seems unlikely that he is, because A. Fiona would probably be able to check Tevinter's laws on the matter, and B. if she couldn't, Felix would tell her if Alexius' entire premise was a lie).

[Steelcan]

Yes the Tevinter Magister in thrall of an ancient Darkspawn Magister would never stoop to deception, and certainly not be able to make sure said deception is effective.

[Shechinah]

It seemed like there are established procedures for contracts of indenture that give immigrants to Tevinter full rights (note the "full rights" part as well). They'd have been laetan at the end of it.

 

If so, that seems like a legal trick since the likelihood that they'd have the social connections and the necessary finances to not fall back into slavery seems low. I see the likelihood of a lot of mages signing a new contract out of necessity for food and shelter as high.

 

They'd lack the social connections to gain meaningful status through marriage and likely lack the knowledge to gain meaningful status as an apprentice as I think the South is far behind Tevinter when it comes to studies in magic. They'd likely be looked down on by the rest of the laetan class for being foreigners and sabotaged if they seem a threat to the laetan families' plans which would be a problem because of what I've mentioned previously.

[Master Warder Z_]

as I think the South is far behind Tevinter when it comes to studies in magic. 

 

There is little evidence to suggest that, and in fact evidence on the contrary.