Whereas Fiona will attack you even after learning about the Venatori and Corypheus and not being force-fed red lyrium
Which is why I conscript mages and ally with the templars. Templars have demons and red lyrium as an excuse, Fiona unfortunately just has bad writing for hers.
I do recall quite a few mages in the Hinterlands as well who were doing the "shoot first, ask questions never" shtick as well, so you can hardly cast stones.
But only the templars attacked Redcliffe. That herbalist lady in Redcliffe explicitely tells us that she ran out of supplies treating people in the village who were injured from the attacks by the templars.
I wouldn't count "blindly following orders" as being unwilling. As Barras explains, the lyrium trick is only possible because templars ingest what they are given without query. And they are in the position they are in because they don't particularly question their leadership, which proudly beats old ladies.
I wouldn't say the templar leadership - which is completely corrupt - is particularly the parallel we go with here. The individual mages are comparable to the individual mages, and I wouldn't say either is more culpable.
Barras also explains that lyrium varieties are already ingested all the time- which undercuts the significance of the red lyrium change. I'd certainly agree it's weak writing, since no lyrium variation had ever been established before, but it does undercut the suspiciousness of the change, especially when (as we have accounts) the leaders demonstrated the 'safety' by consuming it as well.
Instead of the difference between soup and toxic stew, if you didn't already know red lyrium was bad it might as well been the difference between fish and goat. Why wouldn't you trust what your battle-trusted leadership is eating?
I'd also point out the Templar leadership is only 'completely corrupt' if we start our frame of reference after the Breach. We know the Seekers weren't corrupt in the sense that Lambert and his Templars were, since Lambert failed to turn them, and Lambert's only back in control because he and his Templar cabal were mysteriously absent from the Conclave when all the other Templar leaders got killed off.
The Templar Leadership by the time of COTJ isn't the Templar leadership that started or even led the war with the Mages. It's conspirators who positioned themselves to step up after the decapitation strike of the leadership that presumably wasn't on board with them.
I'd also point out the Templar leadership is only 'completely corrupt' if we start our frame of reference after the Breach. We know the Seekers weren't corrupt in the sense that Lambert and his Templars were, since Lambert failed to turn them, and Lambert's only back in control because he and his Templar cabal were mysteriously absent from the Conclave when all the other Templar leaders got killed off.
Lucius.
I wouldn't count "blindly following orders" as being unwilling. As Barras explains, the lyrium trick is only possible because templars ingest what they are given without query. And they are in the position they are in because they don't particularly question their leadership, which proudly beats old ladies.
I wouldn't say the templar leadership - which is completely corrupt - is particularly the parallel we go with here. The individual mages are comparable to the individual mages, and I wouldn't say either is more culpable.
Higher ranking Templars were taking the lyrium first to "prove" it was safe. The lower ranking Templars go along with it because, hey, we saw the bosses take it!
Smart move, really, taking out the Templars from the top down.
Apart from Weekes comment, the guide outright saying the mages get brainwashed if you side with the templars, the ritual in the Invesitigate Redcliffe castle, the fact that the rebel mages in the templar version of IYHSB look the same type of brainwashed that the warden mages do (seriously, use tactical cam and look at their faces and tell me they aren't infected in some way)
But apparently you'd rather ignore facts
Citation needed.
Higher ranking Templars were taking the lyrium first to "prove" it was safe. The lower ranking Templars go along with it because, hey, we saw the bosses take it!
Smart move, really, taking out the Templars from the top down.
That gives me even less reason to side with the templars since it shows that all it takes is some corruption at a high rank and suddenly the entire organization goes downhill.
I know I won't shed any tears for them.
Citation needed.
https://twitter.com/...201854241861632
If the lead writer says the guide can be trusted, I trust him far more than some mage-haters on an online forum.
Barras also explains that lyrium varieties are already ingested all the time- which undercuts the significance of the red lyrium change. I'd certainly agree it's weak writing, since no lyrium variation had ever been established before, but it does undercut the suspiciousness of the change, especially when (as we have accounts) the leaders demonstrated the 'safety' by consuming it as well.
Instead of the difference between soup and toxic stew, if you didn't already know red lyrium was bad it might as well been the difference between fish and goat. Why wouldn't you trust what your battle-trusted leadership is eating?
Given lyrium is dangerous to touch, let alone consume, in its natural form, I always assumed the "different kinds" of lyrium were simply lyrium cut with different substances. Whether a new kind is safe to consume or not is a valid concern, not just with the lyrium, but what is being mixed in with it.
But as noted, they saw others taking it, who seemed fine afterwards.
That gives me even less reason to side with the templars since it shows that all it takes is some corruption at a high rank and suddenly the entire organization goes downhill.
I know I won't shed any tears for them.
https://twitter.com/...201854241861632
If the lead writer says the guide can be trusted, I trust him far more than some mage-haters on an online forum.
Patrick Weekes says he doesn't remember, and recommends asking a higher lore authority.
Clearly he is enthusiastically authenticating a claim by a magazine that is otherwise never claimed or supported in the game except by a nigh-mythical alleged source that no one else, on any side of the arguments, has ever provided proof of despite multiple invitations.
So, the question remains...
Find that codex yet?
That gives me even less reason to side with the templars since it shows that all it takes is some corruption at a high rank and suddenly the entire organization goes downhill.
Well, one mage can sell hundreds into slavery on her own say-so, so I guess we're in alignment on that... 
I know I won't shed any tears for them.
"Can't remember" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
Also, what guide?
Lucius.
Whom Cassandra says is on shaky legal ground in commanding the Templar forces.
Given lyrium is dangerous to touch, let alone consume, in its natural form, I always assumed the "different kinds" of lyrium were simply lyrium cut with different substances. Whether a new kind is safe to consume or not is a valid concern, not just with the lyrium, but what is being mixed in with it.
But as noted, they saw others taking it, who seemed fine afterwards.
I agree. But that sort of concern is the sort that should be mitigated by appropriate trust in authorities. If I see a government health approval label on a piece of food I've never seen or tried before, what should be exceptionally suspicious about it?
"Can't remember" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
Also, what guide?
The Dragon Age Inquisition walkthrough guide which outright states that Fiona is brainwashed if you side with the templars on her character page, and says the rebel mages are brainwashed if you sided with the templars a few times in the IYHSB section.
Also, pretty much says that it's true since the guide says it.
Whom Cassandra says is on shaky legal ground in commanding the Templar forces.
Plus he's greasy.
The Dragon Age Inquisition walkthrough guide which outright states that Fiona is brainwashed if you side with the templars on her character page, and says the rebel mages are brainwashed if you sided with the templars a few times in the IYHSB section.
Also, pretty much says that it's true since the guide says it.
So you have to consult outside material to get a complete in-game story?
Yeah, I don't hold to that.
Well, one mage can sell hundreds into slavery on her own say-so, so I guess we're in alignment on that...
"Can't remember" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
Also, what guide?
There was one strategy guide that made a claim that the Venatori were brainwashed. It was an unsourced claim, and IIRC the guide had other lore errors (though I don't recal what they were), and I can't think of any other guides that made the same claim, but it along with the Mythical Codex of Venatori Brainwashing were the pillars of super's long-standing assertion that the mages were brainwashed into joining the Venatori to attack the Inquisition.
So you have to consult outside material to get a complete in-game story?
Yeah, I don't hold to that.
And the fact that the faces of the rebel mages outright look the same as the brainwashed warden mages?
There was one strategy guide that made a claim that the Venatori were brainwashed. It was an unsourced claim, and IIRC the guide had other lore errors (though I don't recal what they were), and I can't think of any other guides that made the same claim, but it along with the Mythical Codex of Venatori Brainwashing were the pillars of super's long-standing assertion that the mages were brainwashed into joining the Venatori to attack the Inquisition.
Ah that Hissing Wastes codex that never existed and yet was touted as proof for months.
Good times.
Patrick Weekes says he doesn't remember, and recommends asking a higher lore authority.
Clearly he is enthusiastically authenticating a claim by a magazine that is otherwise never claimed or supported in the game except by a nigh-mythical alleged source that no one else, on any side of the arguments, has ever provided proof of despite multiple invitations.
So, the question remains...
Find that codex yet?
Shouldn't you be complaining about white male privilege and opposing the patriarchy
Shouldn't you be complaining about white male privilege and opposing the patriarchy
Arguably, darling.
Didn't you promise to ignore me forevermore?
I'm so touched you'd break your vows for me.
Ah that Hissing Wastes codex that never existed and yet was touted as proof for months.
Good times.
It totally exists, it's just that years later she has a life and better things to do than find the codex she alone laid eyes on and knows exists just to prove a point she totally hasn't been arguing for years and insisted she would offer proof of.
Bioware? reuse assets?
NEVER!!!!
Indoctrination theory, man. There's gotta be a meaning, even if it contradicts anythign else. Canon's just, like, your opinion, maaaaaaaaan.
Arguably, darling.
Didn't you promise to ignore me forevermore?
I'm so touched you'd break your vows for me.
Who can resist the ideal housewife. Our children will require someone willing to speak out if they wish to be proper and productive members of society. Of course, I'm willing to forgive such backtalk. After all, women can be hostile to their man when they don't really mean to. It's not your fault you weren't born with the higher intellect only men can achieve.
Do be a dear and go back and make us a sandwich. Places like this are no place for a woman.
Love you honey
It totally exists, it's just that years later she has a life and better things to do than find the codex she alone laid eyes on and knows exists just to prove a point she totally hasn't been arguing for years and insisted she would offer proof of.
I suppose.
Which is why I conscript mages and ally with the templars. Templars have demons and red lyrium as an excuse, Fiona unfortunately just has bad writing for hers.
I prefer bad writing over willingly taking a new type of lyrium (just look at it, what could possible go wrong 
). Taking red Lyrium was a choice. It's what the commanders did, and it's what the rank-and-file were abiding by to "clean the disease" of mages. I have very little sympathy for them.
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