Divine Leliana.
Guess knowing the truth that Mage freedom didn't backfire hurts
More like hasnt yet, but it will, always does.
And anyway I can't take anything involving her seriously because they always do this sort of thing with her. She's their pet. Brought back from the dead if you kill her, special attention from the Divine, and given a fairytale ending. Eyeroll.
More like hasnt yet, but it will, always does.
And anyway I can't take anything involving her seriously because they always do this sort of thing with her. She's their pet. Brought back from the dead if you kill her, special attention from the Divine, and given a fairytale ending. Eyeroll.
Divine Leliana.
Guess knowing the truth that Mage freedom didn't backfire hurts
Sure, whatever you say.
More like hasnt yet, but it will, always does.
And anyway I can't take anything involving her seriously because they always do this sort of thing with her. She's their pet. Brought back from the dead if you kill her, special attention from the Divine, and given a fairytale ending. Eyeroll.
How has what always backfired? If you think Bioware will actually mage freedom for Divine Leliana backfire, you haven't paid attention to other choices that everyone said would backfire but haven't.
Everyone said the Dark Ritual would backfire and the OGB would be some all-mighty monster. Guess what, didn't backfire and apparently lets the warden live so they can find a cure for the calling.
Everyone said letting the Architect live would backfire and cause an endless darkspawn invasion of the surface. Guess what, didn't backfire.
Everyone said allying with the mages would result in abominations. Guess what, no abominations at all
Bioware also showed that it can blatantly prefer one candidate. Need I remind everyone about Bhelen and how hilariously better in every conceivable way Bhelen is to Harrowmont.
Plus, Gaider's gone and Weekes pretty much loves Leliana. He's the one who confirmed Leliana remains with the Warden if she's Divine so yeah, I doubt it will backfire which is good for me.
How has what always backfired? If you think Bioware will actually mage freedom for Divine Leliana backfire, you haven't paid attention to other choices that everyone said would backfire but haven't.
Everyone said the Dark Ritual would backfire and the OGB would be some all-mighty monster. Guess what, didn't backfire and apparently lets the warden live so they can find a cure for the calling.
Everyone said letting the Architect live would backfire and cause an endless darkspawn invasion of the surface. Guess what, didn't backfire.
Bioware also showed that it can blatantly prefer one candidate. Need I remind everyone about Bhelen and how hilariously better in every conceivable way Bhelen is to Harrowmont.
Plus, Gaider's gone and Weekes pretty much loves Leliana. He's the one who confirmed Leliana remains with the Warden if she's Divine so yeah, I doubt it will backfire which is good for me.
The dark ritual thing still can backfire actually... so could the architect thing in the future if they choose to use any of it in future conflicts, which is easily possible.
As for the rest, if none of it does, it's just bad writing to have all these supposed hard choices and none of it come back in any way. It's not something I'd take pride in personally. Same for Weekes loving Leliana proving the favoritism thing being the main reason she got her fairytale ending rather than anything to do with the mages themselves and their ability to not blow something up.
The dark ritual thing still can backfire actually... so could the architect thing in the future if they choose to use any of it in future conflicts, which is easily possible.
The Architect is another one of Corypheus' ilk; he almost certainly has the same body surfing power, so the odds of his being truly dead are incredibly slim.
As for the rest, if none of it does, it's just bad writing to have all these supposed hard choices and none of it come back in any way.
Doesn't the Bhelen/Harrowmont choice contradict that?
The Architect is another one of Corypheus' ilk; he almost certainly has the same body surfing power, so the odds of his being truly dead are incredibly slim.
Doesn't the Bhelen/Harrowmont choice contradict that?
Not really, the dwarves are so far away from anything relevant to the story as it is now anyway.
Not really, the dwarves are so far away from anything relevant to the story as it is now anyway.
Well, I hardly think you can call it undue favoritism when each Divine candidate accomplishes exactly what their supporters would want them to.
Well, I hardly think you can call it undue favoritism when each Divine candidate accomplishes exactly what their supporters would want them to.
And yet, as many, including my good friend there loves to point out, it takes war and or some sort of conflict for that to happen. In Leliana's case, unless hardened to be fair of course, she just makes everyone like her, or is so omnipotent and super awesome at spymastering that she blackmails anyone that opposes her.
One has to admit that of the three, she's obviously the one Bioware gave the most favoritism to.
And yet, as many, including my good friend there loves to point out, it takes war and or some sort of conflict for that to happen. In Leliana's case, unless hardened to be fair of course, she just makes everyone like her, or is so omnipotent and super awesome at spymastering that she blackmails anyone that opposes her.
One has to admit that of the three, she's obviously the one Bioware gave the most favoritism to.
Was the entire giant war of Inquisition not enough?
It can't go wrong because this is a videogame is really not an argument.
In fact, I would consider it throwing down the towel.
Blegh.
All of that for a more or less return to status quo.
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Seems pretty pointless in hindsight.
Countless deaths to wrestle small concessions?
Bioware really was aiming for realism
Not really, the dwarves are so far away from anything relevant to the story as it is now anyway.
Pretty much. The only "outcomes" we've seen with the dwarves are from DAO's epilogue, which has proven to be unreliable to say the least.
Well, I hardly think you can call it undue favoritism when each Divine candidate accomplishes exactly what their supporters would want them to.
Each Divine has accomplished exactly the same thing: a Circle and a College.
Was the entire giant war of Inquisition not enough?
Enough for Leliana to make peace through the glory of her annoying voice and eternally young face? Nah.
I wish Loghain got a happy ending if they were just handing them out.
If you could count him becoming a Grey Warden and surviving the Fade, I guess that would warrant a happy ending (so far).
Each Divine has accomplished exactly the same thing: a Circle and a College.
With certain major differences therein: under Leliana, the Circle isn't affiliated with the Chantry, so it's basically just a second College.
Enough for Leliana to make peace through the glory of her annoying voice and eternally young face? Nah.
Leliana's not even 40, what are you complaining about with her face?
In my games Loghain like Vaughan and Howe gets his just reward for his crimes.. Leliana is never killed because my warden doesn't take the urn of some dead woman's ashes. My warden does the DR or if female has Alistair to do it since dying for nothing mean shite.
So,those that think Leliana is a ghost or brought back from the dead is narrow minded in thinking everybody kills her, kills their warden and allows that asp Loghain to live because they do in their games and believe its the only way.
Sorry to disappoint..
Leliana's not even 40, what are you complaining about with her face?
While there is no solid evidence of her actual age, she was very young when the Fereldan rebellion ended successfully: http://dragonage.wik...wiki/Leliana#.
Also, there's her banter with Wynne:
In my games Loghain like Vaughan and Howe gets his just reward for his crimes.. Leliana is never killed because my warden doesn't take the urn of some dead woman's ashes. My warden does the DR or if female has Alistair to do it since dying for nothing mean shite.
So,those that think Leliana is a ghost or brought back from the dead is narrow minded in thinking everybody kills her, kills their warden and allows that asp Loghain to live because they do in their games and believe its the only way.
Sorry to disappoint..
And your point is?
My point seems to be over your head? 
Simply put just because player A kills Leliana is no guarantee player B does so,she's not a ghost nor spirit nor anything else player A can dream up because he/she killed her in their games. Same applies for Loghain and the DR.
Plus, Gaider's gone and Weekes pretty much loves Leliana. He's the one who confirmed Leliana remains with the Warden if she's Divine so yeah, I doubt it will backfire which is good for me.
It's never been about Gaider or Weekes , Leliana is Mike Laidlaw's waifu since origins. 
An interview he did for DAO game guide :
Who’s your favorite NPC? Why?
Leliana. Sleek, red-headed, deadly yet pious and with a devastatingly beautiful accent, she’s hard not to love. She’s a mainstay in all of my parties, and her deft hands when it comes to locks and traps don’t hurt in the least.
If you could count him becoming a Grey Warden and surviving the Fade, I guess that would warrant a happy ending (so far).
Dude has PTSD, I don't think he will easily achieve a happy ending.
While there is no solid evidence of her actual age, she was very young when the Fereldan rebellion ended successfully: http://dragonage.wik...wiki/Leliana#.
Also, there's her banter with Wynne:
Wynne: It is sometimes so hard to believe that you have been through so much, at such a young age.Leliana: I think I look younger than I am.Wynne: Yes... yes, that is possible. When I was your age I was just about ready to take on my first apprentice.Wynne: In hindsight, perhaps I should have waited a few more years. I was arrogant, my confidence bolstered by my youth.Leliana: It is so hard to imagine, seeing you now.Wynne: Oh, I've had some two decades or so to grow mellow. Believe me, back then I was quite... prickly.Leliana: So you are like a fine wine, yes? Losing the raw edges over time?Wynne: I suppose there is some truth to that analogy but dear Maker, I do hate being compared to wine. Or cheese.Wynne: Especially cheese.My point is, she may 30 years old during DAO and nearing 40 in DAI. Her face is probably a result of either good genes or magical plastic surgery.
Hm, if Wynne is saying she is ~20 years older than Leliana, then Leliana is older than I thought or Wynne is younger than I thought. It could very well be that Wynne just uses the default "old" features in DAO's engine and the ongoing jokes about how old she is are exaggerations.
Enough for Leliana to make peace through the glory of her annoying voice and eternally young face? Nah.
Peace (and accomplishments) have to actually endure for some time to be judged as successful. Unhardened Leliana's slides are caveated in such short-term points that claiming they succeeded without issue is like claiming to have vanquished Winter in mid-spring.
Given that both realism, versimilitude, and the meta are setting up the Chantry for all three divines to be shakey and under enough stress and dissent to keep the Divine and Chantry safely on the side-lines for the next Dragon Age game or three, claiming success on all fronts is rather premature.
About the only things we can be comfortably certain of in the next games is that (a) there will be an institution called the Chantry and (
it will be led by the selected divine. Schisms and effectiveness and popular support and the success of the Colleges are all up in the air.
Was the entire giant war of Inquisition not enough?
Not really. It wasn't even a giant war, really- it was a breakdown of the international order.
Aside from localized demon rampages near tears, the only major war was a civil war that was static and had been for some time before the Breach, and the dwindling brush-war of the mage rebellion that was contained to the Ferelden frontier and even then the mages were effectively neutralized as a field force.
But as far as major culture-shaping conflicts that remake society? No, Inquisition wasn't nearly enough. The social institutions were changed- the Circle system changes to a Circle-College system- but the societies that underly them remain intact. The Mage Rebellion was not the Mage Civil Right's movement to dramatically change popular perception at every level. The Orlesian civil war was not a cultural reformation or revolution. The elites changed far, far, far more than the people.
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