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[Xilizhra]

Fiona is the catalyst, but the other mages went along with her foolish plan.

And every last templar in Therinfal went along with the war against the mages, so **** them.

[sniper_arrow]

And every last templar in Therinfal went along with the war against the mages, so **** them.

 

Yeah! **** all mages and templars! **** them all!

[Reznore57]

And every last templar in Therinfal went along with the war against the mages, so **** them.

 

Nobody's saying the templars are especially intelligent , well at least I know I don't.

I know they are addicts , but come on people don't take a new type of drugs you've never seen before without investigation first.

 

But on the bright side , if given the chance or not ...the templars wants to help with the chaos beyond closing the breach .They go protect mages from mobs etc..

They do not squat at Skyhold reminding you every five second "to keep your end of the bargain"...

Not do they whine about you showing mercy at people they don't like when the only reason they are breathing and safe right now is because you are merciful with imbeciles and lunatics.

And yes I'm venting about Fiona , she  seriously gets on the nerve after a while at Skyhold.

[sniper_arrow]

But on the bright side , if given the chance or not ...the templars wants to help with the chaos beyond closing the breach .They go protect mages from mobs etc..

They do not squat at Skyhold reminding you every five second "to keep your end of the bargain"...

Not do they whine about you showing mercy at people they don't like when the only reason they are breathing and safe right now is because you are merciful with imbeciles and lunatics.

And yes I'm vanting about Fiona , she  seriously gets on the nerve after a while at Skyhold.

 

To think she believes she and the Inquisition are equal partners after everything that had happened in Redcliffe.

[Reznore57]

To think she believes she and the Inquisition are equal partners after everything that had happened in Redcliffe.

 

Well many people were unhappy there is no judgement for Fiona , I believe you can judge Ser Barris?

[sniper_arrow]

Well many people were unhappy there is no judgement for Fiona , I believe you can judge Ser Barris?

 

You can only judge Denam. You can promote Barris to Knight-Commander. 

[Tidus]

I wonder if there would be so much hate for Fiona if she was a hume instead of a Elf?

 

But,I understand this hate simply because  the BW writers are racist towards Elves which is plain enough to see in every DA game. Several of my other RPG the Elves are portrayed as being good and helpful.

[Reznore57]

I wonder if there would be so much hate for Fiona if she was a hume instead of a Elf?

 

But,I understand this hate simply because  the BW writers are racist towards Elves which is plain enough to see in every DA game. Several of my other RPG the Elves are portrayed as being good and helpful.

 

Played a Dalish...the fact is RP wise it was complicated.

You face an elf who sold her peers into slavery , remember the Dalish rather die in the middle of the wood than suffer that...and she sold her own people.

But then playing an elf would I publicly put an elven leader in jail in the name of a human organization?

I played a hypocrite when it comes to elven issue for sure.

 

Anyway in my case I have no problem with the fact she's an elf , my problem is she's an idiot who tends to drag others down the rabbit hole with her.

[Medhia_Nox]

I wonder if there would be so much hate for Fiona if she was a hume instead of a Elf?

 

But,I understand this hate simply because  the BW writers are racist towards Elves which is plain enough to see in every DA game. Several of my other RPG the Elves are portrayed as being good and helpful.

 

"Racist" toward elves... so, just because they're not "good and helpful" - the writers are racist.  I'd say those portraying elves as "good and helpful" are also racist then also.  No race should be just one thing.

 

For me... I hate Fiona because she's an idiot who starts a war without a plan and then sells her followers to the highest bidder when she feels she can't win.

 

I don't know "why" she stopped being a Grey Warden... but her being a coward and abandoning her responsibilities to them was the first indication of her character. 

[sniper_arrow]

I wonder if there would be so much hate for Fiona if she was a hume instead of a Elf?

 

But,I understand this hate simply because  the BW writers are racist towards Elves which is plain enough to see in every DA game. Several of my other RPG the Elves are portrayed as being good and helpful.

 

Even if she was a human or qunari, Fiona will still get a lot of hate over her stupidity. 

 

Also, BW writers are racist? Get off your high horse.

[Xilizhra]

Nobody's saying the templars are especially intelligent , well at least I know I don't.

I know they are addicts , but come on people don't take a new type of drugs you've never seen before without investigation first.

 

But on the bright side , if given the chance or not ...the templars wants to help with the chaos beyond closing the breach .They go protect mages from mobs etc..

They do not squat at Skyhold reminding you every five second "to keep your end of the bargain"...

Not do they whine about you showing mercy at people they don't like when the only reason they are breathing and safe right now is because you are merciful with imbeciles and lunatics.

And yes I'm venting about Fiona , she  seriously gets on the nerve after a while at Skyhold.

Fiona fights alongside the Inquisition in the Arbor Wilds, which is plenty for me. In any case, I recruited the mages for stopping the Breach; they upheld their end of the bargain.

[In Exile]

But on the bright side , if given the chance or not ...the templars wants to help with the chaos beyond closing the breach .They go protect mages from mobs etc..

 

That doesn't exactly wipe away their baggage, seeing as how they were pretty gleefully engaging in genocide before, and started this whole war over the idea that they might not get to be the absolute determinants of life or death over the mages, with their notional leader specifically plotting to Kill 'Em All. 

 

DA:I tried really, really hard to rehabilitate the templars after DA:O/DA2. Whether they succeeded is a YMMV, but I would say that the order is so irreparably tainted by its history that I can't really see much to them. 

[Vit246]

What is it with Fiona "starting" the war? I thought it was Lambert when he violated the conclave sanctioned by the Divine his own boss.

[MisterJB]

And every last templar in Therinfal went along with the war against the mages, so **** them.

 

Just as every mage in Redcliff went along with the war against society.

**** them.
 

[Medhia_Nox]

@Vit246:  Technically it was Adrian who forced Wynne's idiot son to have the Aequatarians take the side of the radical extremists.  

 

Lambert is, of course, also to blame - but when Cole murderers him, it is unlikely that the Templars would have continued committed to their fascist extremes without the head of the serpent.  

[Master Warder Z_]

That doesn't exactly wipe away their baggage, seeing as how they were pretty gleefully engaging in genocide before, and started this whole war over the idea that they might not get to be the absolute determinants of life or death over the mages, with their notional leader specifically plotting to Kill 'Em All.

DA:I tried really, really hard to rehabilitate the templars after DA:O/DA2. Whether they succeeded is a YMMV, but I would say that the order is so irreparably tainted by its history that I can't really see much to them.

Mages started the war ._.

Well Fiona specifically, but mages in general.

[Tidus]

No high horse just the truth that many may not want to hear.

 

A example Alienage is nothing more then a ghetto. A ghetto dates back centuries where the less then desirables live. The King or Queen under the pressure of the  Nobel families and to a extent rich shop keepers and landlords placed all poor, sickly and anybody else they thought was unworthy into ghettos..

[Xilizhra]

Just as every mage in Redcliff went along with the war against society.

**** them.
 

There was no war at the time.

[X Equestris]

No high horse just the truth that many may not want to hear.
 
A example Alienage is nothing more then a ghetto. A ghetto dates back centuries where the less then desirables live. The King or Queen under the pressure of the  Nobel families and to a extent rich shop keepers and landlords placed all poor, sickly and anybody else they thought was unworthy into ghettos..

And? The existence of a racist society in a work of fiction doesn't mean the writer endorses it. In fact, alienages are pretty much always treated by the narrative itself as being bad things. Further, I don't see how this relates to Bioware's writers being racist for making the elves just as flawed as everybody else.

[MisterJB]

There was no war at the time.

They declared it and yes, yes they did.

They sought to violently change the rules of how society interacted with them regardless of its wishes. War.

In fact, just the First Enchanters fleeing to Andoral's Reach is a case of escaping lawful incarceration which is a crime.

 

[Xilizhra]

They declared it and yes, yes they did.

They sought to violently change the rules of how society interacted with them regardless of its wishes. War.

In fact, just the First Enchanters fleeing to Andoral's Reach is a case of escaping incarceration which is a crime.

Silliness. The mages initiated no violence; that was the doing of the templars. Additionally, we've never seen mages turn on society in general to a degree greater than that of the templars.

[Steelcan]

Silliness. The mages initiated no violence; that was the doing of the templars. Additionally, we've never seen mages turn on society in general to a degree greater than that of the templars.

they incited violence in the same way a man who walks up to a sleeping bear and break out the bag pipes didn't incite violence, sure they aren't technically responsible, but I'm not feeling much sympathy for them

[MisterJB]

What's wrong with the alienages?

Yeah, sure. I can see why people would find it wrong on principle but, in practice, the walls are there just as much to protect the elves as to keep them out. The codex in DAO says as much and tells of elves who earned enough money to leave and were killed by humans.

[thesuperdarkone2]

What's wrong with the alienages?
Yeah, sure. I can see why people would find it wrong on principle but, in practice, the walls are there just as much to protect the elves as to keep them out. The codex in DAO says as much and tells of elves who earned enough money to leave and were killed by humans.

Vaughn and the chevalier murder tradition say otherwise

[MisterJB]

Vaughn and the chevalier murder tradition say otherwise

Then you agree that it's contact between humans and elves that leads to suffering. Ergo, separation is part of the solution and the purpose behind the alienages is to separate both groups. Therefore, the alienages are good.