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[Shechinah]

There is little evidence to suggest that, and in fact evidence on the contrary.

 

Could have sworn I read that. I may be misremembering. I'll check to be sure.
 

[Master Warder Z_]

Could have sworn I read that. I may be misremembering. I'll check to be sure.
 

 

If it came out of WOT II I'd take it with a grain of salt as that book straight up contradicts itself and the other volume.

[Inkvisiittori]

Fiona was annoying in The Calling. I liked her much better in Asunder & Inquisition. 

 

Also, I liked Adrian... she was the only one who cared enough to help Pharamond, in the end.

[vbibbi]

I think it's a strong possibility that Adrian died in the Conclave. She is not mentioned at all in the game, AFAIK, and characters like Wade and Herren or Tallis make cameos in war table missions. If she were still around, she could easily have been mentioned in a war table mission, either as a supporter if we sided with mages, or a target if we went with templars.

 

I thought Fiona was one of the only, if not the only, mage rebellion leader to skip the Conclave, since she thought it was a trap, and therefor she was more easily able to make unilateral decisions in Redcliffe that a more democratic leadership might have debated.

 

 

On Fiona, I really don't see why she was in DAI. It seems pure cameo placement for those who have read the books, and not a good cameo. From the little characterization we have from the books she was in, her DAI incarnation doesn't really seem similar. They could have put a new character in the role of leader and it would have made more sense; all leaders of the rebellion died at the Conclave, so whoever is left to lead was never in a leadership role before and has no idea what they're doing. They panic and cling to the first person to come along offering protection, Alexius. This makes more sense than the former grand enchanter and current leader of the mage rebellion making such poor strategic decisions, time travel manipulation notwithstanding.

[Xilizhra]

I think it's a strong possibility that Adrian died in the Conclave. She is not mentioned at all in the game, AFAIK, and characters like Wade and Herren or Tallis make cameos in war table missions. If she were still around, she could easily have been mentioned in a war table mission, either as a supporter if we sided with mages, or a target if we went with templars.

Cole mentions her once. But I'm not sure why she'd have been at the Conclave; would she even have supported the idea?

[Iakus]

 

What Alexius says. He might be making it up, but there's nothing anywhere that contradicts him (and it seems unlikely that he is, because A. Fiona would probably be able to check Tevinter's laws on the matter, and B. if she couldn't, Felix would tell her if Alexius' entire premise was a lie).

You mean the magister who was "altering the arrangement" right there in front of the Inquisitor?

[TK514]

Cole mentions her once. But I'm not sure why she'd have been at the Conclave; would she even have supported the idea?

 

If Fiona told her to go and she thought she could sabotage the talks, sure.  I can see her going in a heartbeat.

[Iakus]

Cole mentions her once. But I'm not sure why she'd have been at the Conclave; would she even have supported the idea?

If she was a leader of the mage rebellion, it's plausible she could be there, even if she was against the whole idea.

 

But then, there were leaders of both factions who weren't present for a variety of reasons.

[Master Warder Z_]

You mean the magister who was "altering the arrangement" right there in front of the Inquisitor?

 

[Xilizhra]

You mean the magister who was "altering the arrangement" right there in front of the Inquisitor?

Well, there's nothing Felix could do at that point, but he could have told Fiona if the whole arrangement had been based on a lie.

[Barquiel]

I don't hate her. The rebellion was absolutely necessary and the templars were at the negotiating table, so she was at least partially successful. After that, things went south though (but that wasn't exactly Fiona's fault). She came off as sincerely wanting to help the mages, and she would've come to the Inquisition first had Cory not used his massively overpowered time travel magic.

I had hoped that Adrian made an appearance in Inquisition as well. I would've traded Vivienne for her in a heartbeat 

[Gervaise]

Well someone had to attend the Conclave on behalf of the mage faction.   Adrian wanted to be in the thick of things and if Fiona wanted to send someone who was guaranteed not to agree to any sort of compromise, that person would be Adrian.   No doubt Adrian would not have been that afraid of people doubling crossing her at the Conclave since she was never one for holding back on her magic if threatened.   So I think it seems likely that she died there, just as Ragylan did (not sure how to spell his name) of the prominent loyalist mages and Greagoir from the more moderate Templar leadership.     Otherwise it would seem that there were no prominent people at the Conclave from any faction, which wouldn't have seemed credible.

 

As for Fiona, I still maintain that time magic or not, to repay the trust of the monarch and people of Ferelden the way she did was appalling.    She effectively sold out to a foreign power and gave him control of the most defensible castle in all Ferelden.   Even without the Venatori connection that was a pretty big coup for Tevinter.   To be honest, I'd rather they had gone down the blood magic mind control route instead of the absurd time travel plot, as that would have been in keeping with the lore we had previously been given and would have exonerated her actions as she wasn't actually in control of her mind   As it stands there was no real excuse for what she did.   Not only did she betray the people who had offered her refuge but also the people for whom she was leader.   At the very least she should have revoked her previous assertion that everyone had to be bound by such a decision and given everyone free choice on the matter.     It still grates with me that I couldn't pass judgment on her and that she remained in control of the mages whether you allied or conscripted them.   I wouldn't have done anything too drastic to her but I would have liked to have removed her from her position as leader of the mages.

[Xilizhra]

I wouldn't have done anything too drastic to her but I would have liked to have removed her from her position as leader of the mages.

She stops being the leader of the rebellion after In Hushed Whispers anyway, and is only a leader of any kind by default, not actual position.

[In Exile]

Well, keep in mind that the latter was only for ten years while the former was permanent.

 

Technically, they were all to become Venatori. It's not entirely clear that this is even a real offer. As for what would happen to them otherwise, well, that depends quite a lot on how well things would work out for the Venatori.

[Iakus]

 

As for Fiona, I still maintain that time magic or not, to repay the trust of the monarch and people of Ferelden the way she did was appalling.    She effectively sold out to a foreign power and gave him control of the most defensible castle in all Ferelden.   Even without the Venatori connection that was a pretty big coup for Tevinter.   To be honest, I'd rather they had gone down the blood magic mind control route instead of the absurd time travel plot, as that would have been in keeping with the lore we had previously been given and would have exonerated her actions as she wasn't actually in control of her mind   As it stands there was no real excuse for what she did.   Not only did she betray the people who had offered her refuge but also the people for whom she was leader.   At the very least she should have revoked her previous assertion that everyone had to be bound by such a decision and given everyone free choice on the matter.     It still grates with me that I couldn't pass judgment on her and that she remained in control of the mages whether you allied or conscripted them.   I wouldn't have done anything too drastic to her but I would have liked to have removed her from her position as leader of the mages.

I'd have sent her to scrub floors and clean outhouses, and tell her she should be thankful I'm not making her Tranquil.

[Xilizhra]

I'd have sent her to scrub floors and clean outhouses, and tell her she should be thankful I'm not making her Tranquil.

Well, conscripting all of the mages for Fiona's error is morally deficient, and if they're allies, you don't have the authority to do that.

[Livi14]

I do think there was some wasted potential with her character in Inquisition, but I don't hate her. Sure, she needs the player characters help to get things done, but so does everyone else in Bioware games.

[Reznore57]

Well, conscripting all of the mages for Fiona's error is morally deficient, and if they're allies, you don't have the authority to do that.

 

Well , not really.

If you conscript the mages in Redcliffe , I'm not seeing what's morally deficient about it.

You can talk to a few , at best they are like sheep who just followed the herd because they had no idea what else they could be doing ...at worst you have a pro Tevinter mage.

In the Dark future you also witness at least two of those mages torturing people with the Venatori , Connor kills himself because he can't resist demons , one is under red lyrium control so not his fault.

So yeah you might want to conscript them and take a hard long look at those fellows before releasing them in the wilds.

[Xilizhra]

Well , not really.

If you conscript the mages in Redcliffe , I'm not seeing what's morally deficient about it.

You can talk to a few , at best they are like sheep who just followed the herd because they had no idea what else they could be doing ...at worst you have a pro Tevinter mage.

In the Dark future you also witness at least two of those mages torturing people with the Venatori , Connor kills himself because he can't resist demons , one is under red lyrium control so not his fault.

So yeah you might want to conscript them and take a hard long look at those fellows before releasing them in the wilds.

Nah. It's not like anyone else fared well in the dark future, and you were also forgetting Lysas, who was clearly the best of the mages you can talk to in Redcliffe. I also think that Connor mostly killed himself out of fear of demons.

[Steelcan]

Its best just to put her to the sword

[Gervaise]

Conscripting them is not morally deficient.   The mages with any backbone should have left and not had anything to do with the deal with Tevinter.   If they were so willing to be led by Fiona into betraying the trust of Ferelden, then they clearly need strong guidance before they can be trusted to make their own decisions.   Plus, as is apparent if you ask around and as Fiona admits once she gets to Skyhold, their numbers were probably infiltrated by Venatori agents before the decision was made and they unduly influenced it.   Since it is very difficult to sort out the wolves from the sheep, you certainly don't want to give them total autonomy.   If you conscript them, the dodgy ones do actually try to run away and if you let them go, they lead you to a cell of Resolutionists, the ultra extremist version of the Libertarians who are working on producing more of the explosive substance that Anders used for blowing up the Chantry in Kirkwall.    Then if you manage to get Leliana as Divine (which is possible even with conscripting them) they form the Order of the Bright Hand and become exemplars of what mages should be, which seems a pretty good result to me.   Of course that all goes out the window after Trespasser and all Divines lead to the same conclusion; College of Enchanters and New Circle.

[Xilizhra]

Conscripting them is not morally deficient.   The mages with any backbone should have left and not had anything to do with the deal with Tevinter.   If they were so willing to be led by Fiona into betraying the trust of Ferelden, then they clearly need strong guidance before they can be trusted to make their own decisions.   Plus, as is apparent if you ask around and as Fiona admits once she gets to Skyhold, their numbers were probably infiltrated by Venatori agents before the decision was made and they unduly influenced it.   Since it is very difficult to sort out the wolves from the sheep, you certainly don't want to give them total autonomy.   If you conscript them, the dodgy ones do actually try to run away and if you let them go, they lead you to a cell of Resolutionists, the ultra extremist version of the Libertarians who are working on producing more of the explosive substance that Anders used for blowing up the Chantry in Kirkwall.    Then if you manage to get Leliana as Divine (which is possible even with conscripting them) they form the Order of the Bright Hand and become exemplars of what mages should be, which seems a pretty good result to me.   Of course that all goes out the window after Trespasser and all Divines lead to the same conclusion; College of Enchanters and New Circle.

Well, none of them become problems at all if you ally with them, so I'm going to stick with that, regardless of any hypothetical Resolutionists in other scenarios.

[Master Warder Z_]

they lead you to a cell of Resolutionists

 

I was honestly surprised those morons were still around, I figured those would be the type to fight to the death once the war broke out, but surprise surprise, their cowards who only fight against those they know they can win against...like unarmed villagers.

[Iakus]

Well, conscripting all of the mages for Fiona's error is morally deficient, and if they're allies, you don't have the authority to do that.

Anyone stupid enough to go along with Fiona's idiotic plan of literally selling themselves to Tevinter needs a minder.  Mage or no.

[duckley]

I am a bad, bad person. I hate Fiona because she is stupid....