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#776
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Mages contributing to the war effort is not unhead of. In fact, Wynne says it's the reason she didn't warn anyone of what Gaspard was planning to do.

 

 

There is a huge difference between between joining a civil war for political reasons and doing nothing because of political reasons.   Mages can do all the nothing they feel like doing.  The more nothing they do the more the Chantry likes it.  Determining which contender they want on the throne and laying waste to the countryside to decide the question is right out.  



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With a caveat: any restrictions can come only in relation to vulnerability to being possessed, which can be treated like a medical condition.

I will believe that when open carry becomes a universal right.

 

And no restrictions on what weapons can be carried exist



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You actually can find Poulin not guilty and let her go with no penalty. Less so for Dedrick, but presumably, if you do the operation to capture him, you want to punish him; if you don't want to, you can just not pursue him (whereas Poulin is automatically put up for judgment after completing Rocky Rescue).

 

I know- but not finding them guilty (or not searching for them) isn't the same as expressing approval, which is a relevant roleplaying aspect. You can infer a headcanon, but expression is better.

 

Besides, what if my thought is that the truth needs to be brought to light to show what is right? Judgements don't just have to be on the damned- they can be recognitions of the right. Think professional counseling in a business- yeah, a boss will (should) pull you aside when you're doing bad, but a good boss should pull you aside when you're doing well, and recognize it publicly.

 

In the case for Dedrick, for example, I thought letting him try to live as a refugee was an injustice- because I felt he deserved absolution, not to stir in his own guilt. Not pursuing him would have been its own punishment in letting him be miserable when I didn't feel he should have been.
 



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It's like I said, no integrity. It's doubly worse when you remember she was basically a slave herself in Orlais, so for her to trust modern slavers that also enslaved elves long ago, it's just all around incredibly stupid and sickening.

But that's still no excuse. You think she would be smart enough to not ally with those evil bastards, and she didn't put those mages in their place for causing unrest in Redcliffe. Me and Vivienne may not see eye to eye on some things, but I think Vivienne will handle the situation very well without **** popping off. Fiona is a terrible leader and she should step down as Grand Enchanter.
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#780
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Anyways...back to Fiona............



#781
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Let's all move on, shall we?

 

As of now, I have a question: Would you have liked to pass judgment on Fiona as we did Denam? If so, what options would you have liked to see in regards to her judgment?



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N7, lets just move on before the thread gets toasted.

#783
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@ least I don't go overboard with mine.

Uh huh, keep telling yourself that. 

 

Let's all move on, shall we?

 

As of now, I have a question: Would you have liked to pass judgment on Fiona as we did Denam? If so, what options would you have liked to see in regards to her judgment?

Something akin to sentencing Poulin to use the money she got from the Red Templars to repair and support Sahrnia. 



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Let's all move on, shall we?

 

As of now, I have a question: Would you have liked to pass judgment on Fiona as we did Denam? If so, what options would you have liked to see in regards to her judgment?

Only if there was another mage leader at Skyhold who could have been a more direct parallel to Barris, although I'm pretty sure Fiona was the parallel to Barris, with Denam being the parallel to Alexius, as those two were the ones actively working with Corypheus.


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#785
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N7, lets just move on before the thread gets toasted.

Agreed. Anyway I would have her to step down as Grand Enchanter and do community service @ Redcliffe, and give Vivienne the Grand Enchanter title.
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#786
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Agreed. Anyway I would have her to step down as Grand Enchanter

She already did. The title stopped existing when the rebellion began.



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She already did. The title stopped existing when the rebellion began.

I think N7 meant literally cede all power as leader of that branch of mages.



#788
Xilizhra

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I think N7 meant literally cede all power as leader of that branch of mages.

She literally has no power. She even says that she's no longer the leader of the rebellion. Her only position of leadership is by default.



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She literally has no power. She even says that she's no longer the leader of the rebellion. Her only position of leadership is by default.

I disagree. Despite what she says, she still had enough sway over those mages to offer all of them to Alexius. 



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Either way, I would have liked to judge her. One option might have been to put her under Vivienne's observation, and have her help rebuild and salvage some of the remaining knowledge from the abandoned Circles. Another option, if you were a mage (or if you've picked the Templar spec by the time you actually get around to judging her) to make her Tranquil. A third option might be to release her to the care of the rebel mages to go in peace, or (if the mages were angry over her attempt to force them into servitude) release her to suffer their own chosen punishment, not unlike what you can do to Denam.



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I disagree. Despite what she says, she still had enough sway over those mages to offer all of them to Alexius. 

Well, she says that she's no longer leader of the rebellion upon reaching Skyhold, so perhaps that changed.

 

 

One option might have been to put her under Vivienne's observation

Crap, that's worse than Alexius.



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Crap, that's worse than Alexius.

Sweet, sweet poetic justice. Not gonna lie, I cackled a bit when I wrote that.

:P



#793
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Sweet, sweet poetic justice. Not gonna lie, I cackled a bit when I wrote that.

:P

Only if we can have Vivienne killed at some point.



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Only if we can have Vivienne killed at some point.

Maybe next game, but Fiona will have to survive a few years under Vivienne's watchful eye. :)



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Only if we can have Vivienne killed at some point.

The Fiona hater can kill Fiona for all I care if DA4 lets us kill Vivienne. Biowar pls



#796
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"Fiona, darling, you're looking dreadful!"

:lol:


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The Fiona hater can kill Fiona for all I care if DA4 lets us kill Vivienne. Biowar pls

 

I doubt Vivienne will even appear in DA4, even if she becomes Divine.



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Looks like I missed some fun, lol.

 

 

"Fiona, darling, you're looking dreadful!"

:lol:

"Fiona, dear, your dementia is showing!"

 

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#799
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Let's all move on, shall we?

 

As of now, I have a question: Would you have liked to pass judgment on Fiona as we did Denam? If so, what options would you have liked to see in regards to her judgment?

 

There's another thread going discussing this specifically. http://forum.bioware...ld-judge-fiona/



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There's another thread going discussing this specifically. http://forum.bioware...ld-judge-fiona/

Work with me here, lol.