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[Shechinah]

Back to Fiona. Why hasn't she got the taint anymore?

 

Magic? Pregnancy? Elven blood (old blood)? A combo of all these?

 

What's the connection?

 

The Architect, I believe.
 

[sniper_arrow]

Back to Fiona. Why hasn't she got the taint anymore?

 

Magic? Pregnancy? Elven blood (old blood)? A combo of all these?

 

What's the connection?

 

Snowflake treatment...

 

Actually, it has something to do with the Architect.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Back to Fiona. Why hasn't she got the taint anymore?
 
Magic? Pregnancy? Elven blood (old blood)? A combo of all these?
 
What's the connection?

Maybe she has the cure. Curing those who are cursed with darkspawn blood and a solution to end the blighted lands and reverse red lyrium.

[Hellion Rex]

Food for thought: Since the Architect reversed the tainted blood in Fiona, couldn't Corypheus theoretically have done the same for Felix?

[Master Warder Z_]

Food for thought: Since the Architect reversed the tainted blood in Fiona, couldn't Corypheus theoretically have done the same for Felix?

It was as far as I could tell a accidental effect. Not the purpose.

[Hellion Rex]

Interesting. Never read the book so I wasn't ever really clear on the details.

[nightscrawl]

Food for thought: Since the Architect reversed the tainted blood in Fiona, couldn't Corypheus theoretically have done the same for Felix?

It was as far as I could tell a accidental effect. Not the purpose.

 
Yes, it was an accidental result. It's never explicitly stated exactly how she was cured. Duncan was also given the amulet, but its effects were counteracted by an enchanted dagger, or somesuch. At the end, once the amulet is gone, Fiona returns to normal. However, she is also newly pregnant. It is my belief that her unique circumstance of becoming pregnant is what saved her. Perhaps it had something to do with the amulet, or perhaps not. Perhaps it was because of Maric's dragon blood (as revealed in the comics), or perhaps not.

 

In any case, even if was intentional on the Architect's part, that doesn't mean that Corypheus would also have the same knowledge. It is intimated that the Architect has been "alive" this entire time as a darkspawn (that is, since he and the other six priests were cast out), while Corypheus was imprisoned. He used that time to experiment and gain knowledge of the taint and the darkspawn. Corypheus is never shown to have such knowledge, or even of being very interested in that aspect (darkspawn) of himself, being more concerned with his previous goal of breaching the Fade.
 
With that in mind, I do not think that Corypheus could have cured Felix, because he likely didn't posses the knowledge. Remember, during In Hushed Whispers, you find a journal entry detailing blight experimentation wherein we learn that Leliana is highly resistant. It seems like Alexius and his people are the ones doing the research and striving for knowledge here, not Corypheus.

[sniper_arrow]

With that in mind, I do not think that Corypheus could have cured Felix, because he likely didn't posses the knowledge. Remember, during In Hushed Whispers, you find a journal entry detailing blight experimentation wherein we learn that Leliana is highly resistant. It seems like Alexius and his people are the ones doing the research and striving for knowledge here, not Corypheus.

 

Most likely he has no intention of curing Felix. Remember, if we do the templar route, it was hinted that Cory killed both father and son. 

[Silcron]

Snowflake treatment...
 
Actually, it has something to do with the Architect.

Ugh, I hated that. Not the whole accidentally getting cured, but that after that the Wardens went: "Welp, you don't have the taint anymore, so I guess you're not a warden anymore, go be Grand Enchanter. I guess." Yeah, because why would Grey Wardens be interested in someone that has been cured of the Taint? It's not like our Warden PCs, if alived, have been canonized seeking what Fiona accidentally got, they wouldn't be interested in meeting no, no, no.

*Insert various facepalm gifs here*

[vbibbi]

Ugh, I hated that. Not the whole accidentally getting cured, but that after that the Wardens went: "Welp, you don't have the taint anymore, so I guess you're not a warden anymore, go be Grand Enchanter. I guess." Yeah, because why would Grey Wardens be interested in someone that has been cured of the Taint? It's not like our Warden PCs, if alived, have been canonized seeking what Fiona accidentally got, they wouldn't be interested in meeting no, no, no.

*Insert various facepalm gifs here*

 

Until Jossed, I'm going to headcanon that the Warden HQ did a cursory exam, couldn't find anything different between Fiona and a person who has never been in contact with the Blight, and let her go. Meanwhile, the Wardens are working with the Architect or awakened darkspawn if Archie was killed. They have struck a deal with them to work on manipulating the taint to better control their ranks.

 

Curing the taint sounds similar to discovering a cure for Tranquility: it eliminates one method of leadership maintaining control over their charges. If the GWs who were conscripted find out that there's a way to become normal people again, aren't they going to be only too happy to abandon the Wardens and try to go back to a normal life? Some like the HOF might not have a home to return to, but others might, or else they might decide they'll start a new life for themselves where they can grow old and not devolve into a ghoul or die alone in the Deep Roads.

 

So it might not be in the best interests of GW leadership to actually broadcast a possible cure. I think if they are corrupt, as hints indicate, they would rather find a way of accelerating or decelerating the taint as a method of control. Slow down their own transformation but threaten insurgents with a quicker Calling if they don't fall in line.

[Gervaise]

To be fair to the GW leadership, in the Last Flight they aren't rushing potential new recruits into taking the Joining, although I suppose this could be because they know something is off down south, so don't want to risk recruits until they know what is going on.    However, there is also a throw away line from Dorian during the game when he mentions having visited Weishauppt.   Presumably Alexius must have sent him there to see if they could help.   Then Alexius and Dorian between them managed to come up with something that could delay the development of the taint in Felix, according to the entry in WoT2 on Dorian, by as much as 6 years.    Of course WoT has a lot of inconsistencies in it but I wonder if you are right and the leadership have at least found some way of slowing down the advance of the taint.    If Alexius was willing to pay a lot of money for the secret, then may be the leadership would have let him have it.      That would also explain why he believed that Corypheus might know how to effect a permanent cure.

[In Exile]

Ugh, I hated that. Not the whole accidentally getting cured, but that after that the Wardens went: "Welp, you don't have the taint anymore, so I guess you're not a warden anymore, go be Grand Enchanter. I guess." Yeah, because why would Grey Wardens be interested in someone that has been cured of the Taint? It's not like our Warden PCs, if alived, have been canonized seeking what Fiona accidentally got, they wouldn't be interested in meeting no, no, no.

*Insert various facepalm gifs here*

 

Why would they be interested in someone being cured of the Blight? This is literally anathema to their existence. If there is anything we learn about the Grey Wardens, is that they have a striking dedication to ignorance. If there is any part of that order that even tries to comprehend the Blight, it's a group that we have never heard of locked away in Weistahupt. Otherwise, it is a striking and dedicated ignorance of all things related to the Blight (they didn't even know about Broodmothers for sure until DA:O!), and an order that actively lies to their various levels of seniority (like a cult).

 

Given this striking and rampant ignorance, and given their single-minded obsession with their currently constituted mission, it makes total sense they would want to spend no time studying why the Blight could be cured, and instead send away the person cured (if not actually kill them) to maintain their ironclad hold on their basic lies. 

[vbibbi]

Why would they be interested in someone being cured of the Blight? This is literally anathema to their existence. If there is anything we learn about the Grey Wardens, is that they have a striking dedication to ignorance. If there is any part of that order that even tries to comprehend the Blight, it's a group that we have never heard of locked away in Weistahupt. Otherwise, it is a striking and dedicated ignorance of all things related to the Blight (they didn't even know about Broodmothers for sure until DA:O!), and an order that actively lies to their various levels of seniority (like a cult).

 

Given this striking and rampant ignorance, and given their single-minded obsession with their currently constituted mission, it makes total sense they would want to spend no time studying why the Blight could be cured, and instead send away the person cured (if not actually kill them) to maintain their ironclad hold on their basic lies. 

 

I imagine the GW leadership knew about broodmothers, they just didn't make that knowledge public. They know the locations to all of the Old God prisons, after all, and only certain members of the order ever knew about Cory. They don't even tell low level Wardens about how to kill an archdemon and other details about being a GW.

 

I think it's just that the HOF revealed all information s/he learned in DAO because there was no senior leadership present to prevent the information from leaking. I can headcanon that some of the Orlesian Wardens in DAA would have told us about restricting some information from the public, but they were all killed before they could talk to us.

[Iakus]

Until Jossed, I'm going to headcanon that the Warden HQ did a cursory exam, couldn't find anything different between Fiona and a person who has never been in contact with the Blight, and let her go. Meanwhile, the Wardens are working with the Architect or awakened darkspawn if Archie was killed. They have struck a deal with them to work on manipulating the taint to better control their ranks.

 

To be fair, it seems they did study Fiona at least a bit.  I think it's in her codex entry where it was said she re-attempted the Joining, but to no effect.

 

Why would they be interested in someone being cured of the Blight? This is literally anathema to their existence. If there is anything we learn about the Grey Wardens, is that they have a striking dedication to ignorance. If there is any part of that order that even tries to comprehend the Blight, it's a group that we have never heard of locked away in Weistahupt. Otherwise, it is a striking and dedicated ignorance of all things related to the Blight (they didn't even know about Broodmothers for sure until DA:O!), and an order that actively lies to their various levels of seniority (like a cult).

 

To be specific, it's not a cure for the Joining that would interest Wardens, but a cure for the Calling.

 

Imagine actually being able to retire from the Wardens rather than wandering the Deep Roads killing darkspawn until you die or turn into a ghoul.

[ModernAcademic]

Ugh, I hated that. Not the whole accidentally getting cured, but that after that the Wardens went: "Welp, you don't have the taint anymore, so I guess you're not a warden anymore, go be Grand Enchanter. I guess." Yeah, because why would Grey Wardens be interested in someone that has been cured of the Taint? It's not like our Warden PCs, if alived, have been canonized seeking what Fiona accidentally got, they wouldn't be interested in meeting no, no, no.

*Insert various facepalm gifs here*

 

Those were my thoughts, too. When they heard of her pregnancy, the Wardens should have immediately started running tests on her blood - aside from various magical tests - to find out how to synthesize that cure and develop a counter agent. 

 

The irony that a darkspawn should be more worried with combating the Blight, going as far as risking his life and his safety by contacting the Warden-Commander of Ferelden, as well as experimenting on his own brethren to find a cure for the Calling than the Order of the GW itself...makes one wonder why Weisshaupt seems to do NOTHING to effectively cure the taint, which is the source of all problems involving darkspawn, Archdemons and other similar evils.

 

No, it's just undergo blood ritual (drink from blood chalice) --> kill Archdemon --> repeat as many times as necessary. 

 

What about the tainted people that will still continue to exist? The taint wasn't born from the Archdemons, after all. And what about the hundreds of thousands of darkspawn underground, murderous, untamed and uncontrolled? What happens after all Archdemons are killed? Do the Wardens think they'll just lie down there, quiet?

 

Thedas could still be plagued by the Blight and people continue to die of the taint even then. When will they worry about finding a cure?

[In Exile]

To be fair, it seems they did study Fiona at least a bit. I think it's in her codex entry where it was said she re-attempted the Joining, but to no effect.

To be specific, it's not a cure for the Joining that would interest Wardens, but a cure for the Calling.

Imagine actually being able to retire from the Wardens rather than wandering the Deep Roads killing darkspawn until you die or turn into a ghoul.

Curing the Calling is pointless. You're still going to be mututed into a ghoul - that has nothing to do with the progressive insanity. We've seen the end of that progression with the Mother. And I'm pretty sure that GWs go off to die in the deep roads partly to avoid the degradation into a ghoul -because you could easily imagine they'd just have a hospice instead.

[Reznore57]

Curing the Calling is pointless. You're still going to be mututed into a ghoul - that has nothing to do with the progressive insanity. We've seen the end of that progression with the Mother. And I'm pretty sure that GWs go off to die in the deep roads partly to avoid the degradation into a ghoul -because you could easily imagine they'd just have a hospice instead.

 

I always thought what the Wardens called the Calling was the Song + ghoulification (is that even a word ?) process.

The two comes hand in hand for wardens , the start of the song tells them they're not resistant to the Blight anymore and it's spreading inside their bodies.

 

We know darkspawn can block out the song , but they're darkspawn and there is no cure for being born a darkspawn.

Even something like a broodmother , not sure once the change is done , you can do much .My best guest is if you cure a broodmother from the Blight , she would simply die.

 

Anyway curing the Callling imho for wardens = getting rid of the Blight and not just the song.

[vbibbi]

It's not really clear what the HOF is hoping for in a cure for the Calling. But I interpreted it as stopping the taint from advancing to the point that the Calling occurs, not eliminating the taint entirely. Otherwise they would have phrased it as "searching for a cure to the Blight" or something. I don't know if Warden leadership would be okay with someone looking to find a way to reverse the Joining; it could risk weakening their command of the order and lead to desertion.

[Reznore57]

It's not really clear what the HOF is hoping for in a cure for the Calling. But I interpreted it as stopping the taint from advancing to the point that the Calling occurs, not eliminating the taint entirely. Otherwise they would have phrased it as "searching for a cure to the Blight" or something. I don't know if Warden leadership would be okay with someone looking to find a way to reverse the Joining; it could risk weakening their command of the order and lead to desertion.

 

That's already what the Joining does.

Well it gives you the Blight and it gives you some form of immunity for 20 years or so.

 

There's archdemon blood in there , and we found out dragons have a natural resistance to the Blight , not immunity though.They get blighted but their body keep the Blight from spreading for a while.

If in 1000 years wardens haven't figured that out , it's just sad.

[Iakus]

It's not really clear what the HOF is hoping for in a cure for the Calling. But I interpreted it as stopping the taint from advancing to the point that the Calling occurs, not eliminating the taint entirely. Otherwise they would have phrased it as "searching for a cure to the Blight" or something. I don't know if Warden leadership would be okay with someone looking to find a way to reverse the Joining; it could risk weakening their command of the order and lead to desertion.

That's exactly how I interpreted it.

 

If a Warden romanced Leliana, she makes it clear that the search is at least partly for themselves, so they can spend a full life together, rather than the greatly reduced Grey Warden lifespan.

[vbibbi]

That's already what the Joining does.

Well it gives you the Blight and it gives you some form of immunity for 20 years or so.

 

There's archdemon blood in there , and we found out dragons have a natural resistance to the Blight , not immunity though.They get blighted but their body keep the Blight from spreading for a while.

If in 1000 years wardens haven't figured that out , it's just sad.

 

Yeah but the cure for the Calling would be to extend that immunity from 20 years to indefinitely. And who knows, maybe if Avernus' research was continued, the Warden leaders hope for a method to indefinitely delay the Calling and also to extend the lifespan of Wardens indefinitely as well.

[ModernAcademic]

Curing is not the same as still having the disease and going mad from it.

 

Fiona's blood is clean of the taint. If dragons were immune to it, they would simply not become Archdemons at all.

[Spedfrom]

DAI couldn't have started worse than it did for me even if the devs wanted to! Time travel (which I hate as a plot mechanic; actually I just hate time travel, full stop) and then all that nonsense with Fiona and her mages accepting to be slaves to the magister. I mean, what the ****? I came to respect her so much because of the novels that this felt totally out of character for her! Absolutely unbelievable that a fierce mage defender such as herself would ever do such a thing! No decent explanation given for it either. And at the time I played the game, I didn't even quite understand the motivation for it. All of a sudden she was just there explaining why she did what she did, out of the blue. How did they meet? When was this agreed upon? Even why?! Urgh, I felt so disconnected from the game.

[ModernAcademic]

DAI couldn't have started worse than it did for me even if the devs wanted to! Time travel (which I hate as a plot mechanic; actually I just hate time travel, full stop) and then all that nonsense with Fiona and her mages accepting to be slaves to the magister. I mean, what the ****? I came to respect her so much because of the novels that this felt totally out of character for her! Absolutely unbelievable that a fierce mage defender such as herself would ever do such a thing! No decent explanation given for it either. And at the time I played the game, I didn't even quite understand the motivation for it. All of a sudden she was just there explaining why she did what she did, out of the blue. How did they meet? When was this agreed upon? Even why?! Urgh, I felt so disconnected from the game.

 

Welcome to the team.

 

Inquisition may have improved a few things here and there, but the quality of story content seems to have been waning since DA2.

 

There are too many inconsistencies and a certain "PC is a super hero" theme going on.

[TK514]

DAI couldn't have started worse than it did for me even if the devs wanted to! Time travel (which I hate as a plot mechanic; actually I just hate time travel, full stop) and then all that nonsense with Fiona and her mages accepting to be slaves to the magister. I mean, what the ****? I came to respect her so much because of the novels that this felt totally out of character for her! Absolutely unbelievable that a fierce mage defender such as herself would ever do such a thing! No decent explanation given for it either. And at the time I played the game, I didn't even quite understand the motivation for it. All of a sudden she was just there explaining why she did what she did, out of the blue. How did they meet? When was this agreed upon? Even why?! Urgh, I felt so disconnected from the game.

It was pretty crap writing, that's for certain.  It gets even worse when you remember that she spent a significant portion of her life before joining the Grey Wardens as a sex slave.

 

"I was a slave and hated it so much I killed my master and ran away, then later in life started a war because I felt like my fellow mages were being treated as slaves in the Circle.  I think selling my fellow mages into slavery, err 'indentured servitude', now is a perfectly acceptable idea, because, uh....hmm.  Time travel? and reasons.  Yes.  Reasons.  And I think I'll be completely spineless about it when the guy I've sold myself to does horrific things and/or changes the deal at a whim."