Vivienne and her loyalists were in a much better position to keep the tranquil safe, but they obviously cared even less than the rebel mages. She's in no position to criticise Fiona here.
Obviously? Aside that only Vivienne even expresses a concerned view on the Tranquil, and that the Loyalists position seems to have been to go back into scorched Circle towers to find them empty, not quite clear where you're getting that.
I'd need to know the specifics of what "cannot/will not control their magic" actually means.
If you don't know the specifics, why did you claim that Vivienne failing to apply a cure was a failing?
Yes, she thought the rebel mages would, at the very least, look out for the most helpless of their number.
How silly...
According to Vivienne the rebellion was doomed to fail and that the templars treat prisoners like human beings is clearly documented in the annullment in which everyone gets a fair trial, right? How exactly is that "safe"? I mean, one of our first missions in Redcliff is to help that herbalist lady who tells us that she ran out of supplies treating people in the village who were injured from the attacks by the templars. Throwing fancy parties was simply more important than helping any tranquil.
How exactly is Vivienne running a Circle in Montsimmard supposed to help Tranquil in Redcliffe?
I'm curious as to what one of your OCs you mention from time to time would think of my Inquisitor having allied with the mages and seen the College through to completion.
My new Warrior Lavellan?
Or my Human Mage?
- Warrior Lavellan does not concern himself with laying blame beyond an initial reaction. He is a good man who seeks only to alleviate suffering. He knows only that the Tranquil have suffered and that he knows nothing about mage politics and what drives the rebellion. He saw a group more marginalized and abused than the mages (especially based on the way I happened to approach finding the building with the skulls) - so he gravitated toward them.
- Human Mage would have conscripted all the Tranquil into the Inquisition. Agreed with Vivienne until he saw through her crap. Condemned the mages for what he saw as their insipid hypocrisy and allowed them to suffer their fate that hands of Fiona's decisions.
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I think all options are ultimately valid... but I cannot entertain any argument that appeals to "poor writing" as the reason something seems negative.
If Fiona "seems" to act foolishly - it is because she was written - purposefully - foolishly. Not because "bad writing" makes her "appear" foolish. These things are not written in a vacuum. Many people go over the dialogue and actions in these games.
If they did not want Fiona, the mages, the Templar, Corypheus or Solas to do these things... it's not because someone wrote them "poorly". What is written - is how they are.
@Barquiel: I'm curious why Vivienne matters at all? Did anyone who condemns the mages for leaving the Tranquil base their entire opinion off of what Vivienne says? I didn't.
Just because she's a self-serving loyalist - doesn't make her better than all the self-serving rebels.
Mages - as a whole - in DA, are pretty routinely scum. I don't "think" it's because they're mages - but Bioware sure makes a laundry list of scummy mages.
Praise be to Wynne - truly one of a kind.
If she didn't cure them, this is incorrect.
At first I was like
"Tranquil should be abandoned because they're a bother to look after and the mage rebellion can't deal with the consequences."
But then I was like
"Vivienne looking after them is not enough. Anything short of curing them is unnaceptable regardless of the consequences."
Well, one of those parties isn't fighting a war.
Did you forget how you can use the rite as punishment in Inquisition?
Also, did you forget Meredith making someone tranquil merely for passing love letters or the other mentions of people being made tranquil to become sex slaves.
Well, one of those parties isn't fighting a war.
if you mean Vivienne's mages, she implies that they are helping to fight the rebellion in some of her dialogue
Well, one of those parties isn't fighting a war.
@Barquiel: I'm curious why Vivienne matters at all? Did anyone who condemns the mages for leaving the Tranquil base their entire opinion off of what Vivienne says? I didn't.
Still not sure how anything the loyalist mages did or didn't do excuses the rebel mages for both abandoning their Tranquil in the wilderness and having so little concern for their charges that the Tranquil could be murdered and stored right under the rebellion's noses.
if you mean Vivienne's mages, she implies that they are helping to fight the rebellion in some of her dialogue
Apparently dishonestly.
Right, right. The war to end opression which is very selective and is quite willing to leave people behind in the opression because its members are prejudiced.
The Tranquil cannot be cured in an environment containing templars; ergo, the only way to help them is to remove the templars.
@Xilizhra: Why can Tranquil not be cured in a environment containing templars?
And in what way did the mages do anything to "remove the templars"? Actually - the divine did more to do that.
Apparently dishonestly.
Based on what?
@Xilizhra: Why can Tranquil not be cured in a environment containing templars?
And in what way did the mages do anything to "remove the templars"? Actually - the divine did more to do that.
You saw Lambert's reaction to the whole affair, yes?
Based on what?
The presence of many mages in Redcliffe who didn't love the rebellion, and the total lack of any of Vivienne's alleged followers anywhere in the game.
@Xilizhra: Lambert is dead... so, is Lucius.
It would be better to say that they could not be cured in an environment of ignorant, fear mongering, Templars who embody fascist principles.
Evidently - they also can't be cured in an environment of self-serving radical "freedom fighters" who treat them with apathy.
The Tranquil cannot be cured in an environment containing templars; ergo, the only way to help them is to remove the templars.
Do you need me to post here the mage propaganda that floated around in DAI? Perhaps the words of those who proposed this rebellion in Asunder in the first place?
The purpose of the mage rebellion was never the destruction of the Templar Order but rather the end of its relationship with the Circle of Magi. Hence, there weren't any plans to return for the Tranquil or something of the sort.
An environment without Templars was created the moments the mages fled from the Circles and gathered in place where there were no Templars. And what do you know, the Tranquil were left behind, abandoned to the "opression" the mages were fleeing.
. Come now, you're smarter than to fall into a gameplay/story segregation issue. We have no reason to distrust Vivienne's assertion and no evidence to directly counter it
The presence of many mages in Redcliffe who didn't love the rebellion, and the total lack of any of Vivienne's alleged followers anywhere in the game.
The point is that nobody (except maybe Cassandra and a few mages like Minaeve) cared about the tranquil. The templars murdered every tranquil they could find. The chantry did nothing. And Vivienne (who claims that she leads all loyal mages of Southern Thedas and that she knows every member of the imperial court personally) didn't help them either because she thought they're "safe". But for some reason people only criticize Fiona.
The Templars murdered every Tranquil they could find? Citation needed.
Minaeve says Tranquil were mistreated by the Templars (and some mages) but not that they were murdered wholesale.
And again, what reason would Vivienne have to think Fiona would kick her Tranquil to the curb like a box of unwanted puppies like she did? Fiona's fighting for mage freedom! She opposes abuses on mages like the Rite of Tranquility! Surely she'd protect these examples of Templar abuse and mage oppression! 
The Tranquil cannot be cured in an environment containing templars; ergo, the only way to help them is to remove the templars.
Wait, what? 
@Xilizhra: Lambert is dead... so, is Lucius.
It would be better to say that they could not be cured in an environment of ignorant, fear mongering, Templars who embody fascist principles.
Evidently - they also can't be cured in an environment of self-serving radical "freedom fighters" who treat them with apathy.
More importantly, Lambert and Lucius were Seekers. Not Templars. And more importantly, they were Lord Seekers. They read the true origin of the Rite of Tranquility, and it's cure. They were willing to kill to keep that secret. The Templars were as in the dark about it as anyone.
And that's why if you convince Cassandra to reform the Seekers, she reveals the secrets to everyone.
The templars murdered every tranquil they could find.
I'm going to question this statement very much until I see evidence of this since what I've found has the Venatori, not the Templars, seeking out Tranquil to murder because of their plan to create occularum;
"A skull set upon a staff, these macabre artifacts cause magical shards in the area to glow with magical radiance when a viewer looks through the eyes of the skull.
Alexius was quite clear in his orders. We must scour the countryside to find more of the shards. Without them, the Venatori cannot claim the treasure our master seeks. For that, we need the oculara. Without them, the shards are nearly impossible to find, even if they are no longer cloaked by whatever magic hid them for all these centuries.
There must be more Tranquil in the area — the rebels abandoned most of them when they fled their Circles. Remember, the skull will only attune properly if the Tranquil is in close proximity to one of the shards when the demon is forced to possess him. Even then, the blow must be delivered immediately. The oculara produced from Tranquil killed even minutes later failed to illuminate the shards when used.
I trust you to continue your efforts in this matter. Our master expects success.
—A letter found in an abandoned house in Redcliffe Village"
Codex entry: Oculara
This is, again, why I would consider it a good thing if we were able to have a dialogue with Fiona about some of the things that went on in Redcliffe because I do not think we were able to mention the Tranquil to her.
The Magister Alexius was chasing Tranquil from the village and Clemence confirmed that the Tranquil were with the mage rebellion so they were likely some of the Tranquils that the rebellion took with them when the Circles fell so why did Fiona not speak up on their behalf when they were told to leave?
In a dialogue with her, Fiona could have revealed that she was noticing the disappearances and worried it might be because of the Tevinter harming the Tranquil because of their dislike for them but feeling like she was unable to do anything for them and so thought the Tranquil would be safest elsewhere only to learn later in the game that the Venatori were rounding them up and Alexius' order for them to leave Redcliffe was for this purpose.
It would have been better than nothing, in my opinion.
I'm going to question this statement very much until I see evidence of this since what I've found has the Venatori, not the Templars, seeking out Tranquil to murder because of their plan to create occularum;
Minaeve said the templars would have killed her and the tranquil she was protecting if Cassandra hadn't took them in. That's why they joined the inquisition.
Can you provide the quote, please?
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