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[Master Warder Z_]

I am a bad, bad person. I hate Fiona because she is stupid....

She really is.

Like most elves

[Steelcan]

She really is.

Like most elves

freakin knife ears am I right?

[The Hierophant]

Thank god Alistair didn't find out she's his mom, whereas Maric must have been facepalming hard while in hell,  i mean the fade. Makes one wonder what Alistair thinks is worse, having Loghain as his father in law or knowing that Fiona's his mom.

[Andromelek]

Thank god Alistair didn't find out she's his mom, whereas Maric must have been facepalming hard while in hell,  i mean the fade. Makes one wonder what Alistair thinks is worse, having Loghain as his father in law or knowing that Fiona's his mom.

I think he considers worse being family with Loghain, I don't think he hates Fiona, if he knows she was friend of Duncan he will be biased on her.

Maker save us all from Fiona's genes, Theirins are stupid, and Fiona is some kind of stupid^2, that makes Alistair stupid^3.

[sniper_arrow]

I am a bad, bad person. I hate Fiona because she is stupid....

 

Well, you're not the only one. So, you should take great comfort in that.

[MisterJB]

My own guess was she was one of hose crazed mages drunk with power and tearing up the Hinterlands.  Seems like the kind of thing she'd do without someone like Rhys to hold her back.

Adrian was bellicose and disdainful of anyone without magic. I can't see her spending six months in Redcliff under the Crown's protection. She would never even acknowledge the need of it.

 

Like you said, chances are she either died in the earlier stages of the rebellion or was burning the Hinterlands.

 

Honestly, that woman in the tavern that supports Tevinter and later joins the Venatori shares some of her personality.

[Tidus]

In a way it would have been nice for Alistair to find out a mage Elf is his mother. The ironic of it-he was a trained Templar and that showed in DA:O toward Morrigan.

 

On second thought.. Naw. The poor guy couldn't stand the shock he was lied to all his life.

[vbibbi]

Conscripting them is not morally deficient.   The mages with any backbone should have left and not had anything to do with the deal with Tevinter.   If they were so willing to be led by Fiona into betraying the trust of Ferelden, then they clearly need strong guidance before they can be trusted to make their own decisions.   Plus, as is apparent if you ask around and as Fiona admits once she gets to Skyhold, their numbers were probably infiltrated by Venatori agents before the decision was made and they unduly influenced it.   Since it is very difficult to sort out the wolves from the sheep, you certainly don't want to give them total autonomy.   If you conscript them, the dodgy ones do actually try to run away and if you let them go, they lead you to a cell of Resolutionists, the ultra extremist version of the Libertarians who are working on producing more of the explosive substance that Anders used for blowing up the Chantry in Kirkwall.    Then if you manage to get Leliana as Divine (which is possible even with conscripting them) they form the Order of the Bright Hand and become exemplars of what mages should be, which seems a pretty good result to me.   Of course that all goes out the window after Trespasser and all Divines lead to the same conclusion; College of Enchanters and New Circle.

I think it's also worth noting that the majority of mages don't have any real world exposure prior to the war, so in many respects they do need a minder, or real world guide. Hence why it's so easy for Alexius to dupe them all with an obviously evil scheme. It makes sense that most of the mages are scared and think they're going to die soon, so they follow their leaders blindly, even to stupid ends. It's still not reason why Fiona, a former Grey Warden and First Enchanter who would have been allowed to leave the Circles at any time, would be so blind.

[Master Warder Z_]

Honestly, that woman in the tavern that supports Tevinter and later joins the Venatori shares some of her personality.

 

She was absolutely insane.

[TheChosenOne]

I don't hate her. You'll have to be evil like Howe for me to hate you, I just think that she was one of the dumbest Mages in the entire Continent of Thedas...

 

[Reznore57]

 It's still not reason why Fiona, a former Grey Warden and First Enchanter who would have been allowed to leave the Circles at any time, would be so blind.

 

That's not the worst , if i remember correctly Fiona used to be a slave in Orlais , she was raped and beaten.

So when she goes "You lied to me Alexius , you said not all my people would end up soldiers."......Errr, what?She used to be a slave , was treated like trash , and oh noes shocking the slaver lied to his slave , can't believe it.

I wonder if it ever crossed her mind that the young or pretty ones might be sold for something far worse down the line.

[SgtSteel91]

I'm not sure if the writers remembered that Fiona was a sex slave

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm not sure if the writers remembered that Fiona was a sex slave

 

I am not sure its relevant or not, she's a rube and a moron.

[Shechinah]

I am not sure its relevant or not, she's a rube and a moron.

I think SgtSteel91 may have wondered if Fiona's attitude towards entering her people into slavery is because the writer(s) may have forgotten Fiona herself was once a slave.

[Andromelek]

I think SgtSteel91 may have wondered if Fiona's attitude towards entering her people into slavery is because the writer(s) may have forgotten Fiona herself was once a slave.

She may be so retarded that she forgot.

[Tidus]

How about none of the above? Listen real closely to what Dorian says  and you will learn she was under mind control.

[Steelcan]

How about none of the above? Listen real closely to what Dorian says  and you will learn she was under mind control.

no you won't, especially not when you visit Redcliffe

[nightscrawl]

That's not the worst , if i remember correctly Fiona used to be a slave in Orlais , she was raped and beaten.
So when she goes "You lied to me Alexius , you said not all my people would end up soldiers."......Errr, what?She used to be a slave , was treated like trash , and oh noes shocking the slaver lied to his slave , can't believe it.
I wonder if it ever crossed her mind that the young or pretty ones might be sold for something far worse down the line.

I'm not sure if the writers remembered that Fiona was a sex slave

 
Or that her master was named Dorian... Or if that was remembered, I think it was likely after the name had been settled on for that character and he essentially already "was Dorian" in the devs' minds, so it was too late to change it.

 

How about none of the above? Listen real closely to what Dorian says  and you will learn she was under mind control.

 
I'm not sure what you're referring to here. I'm pretty familiar with Dorian's dialogue... I've always thought that the whole Fiona memory issue was rather vague. Was she being manipulated by blood magic, and so had no memory of going to VR and talking to the Herald? Or was there some sort of time magic involved? If there was time magic, why would she have no memory?

 

I'd love a detailed explanation, rather than conjecture, but I really doubt anyone has anything concrete either way.

[nightscrawl]

It's still not reason why Fiona, a former Grey Warden and First Enchanter who would have been allowed to leave the Circles at any time, would be so blind.

 
It seems to me that Fiona felt that she had no other alternatives, so she allowed herself to be manipulated, ignored any mental red flags, and hoped that things would work out. I don't think it was wise, but I can see how she went down that path.

 

I prefer to ally with the mages. The only option I'm missing is the ability to insist that the mages appoint a new leader from among their ranks, or to allow the Inquisition to choose one.

[Master Warder Z_]

It seems to me that Fiona felt that she had no other alternatives, so she allowed herself to be manipulated, ignored any mental red flags, and hoped that things would work out. I don't think it was wise, but I can see how she went down that path.

I prefer to ally with the mages. The only option I'm missing is the ability to insist that the mages appoint a new leader from among their ranks, or to allow the Inquisition to choose one.

._.

[TK514]

Honestly, that woman in the tavern that supports Tevinter and later joins the Venatori shares some of her personality.

I honestly wondered at the time why they had to create a new character to spout Adrian's lines.

[Master Warder Z_]

freakin knife ears am I right?

Almost as bad as Jedi

[vbibbi]

 
It seems to me that Fiona felt that she had no other alternatives, so she allowed herself to be manipulated, ignored any mental red flags, and hoped that things would work out. I don't think it was wise, but I can see how she went down that path.

 

I prefer to ally with the mages. The only option I'm missing is the ability to insist that the mages appoint a new leader from among their ranks, or to allow the Inquisition to choose one.

The whole situation seems to have been created because the writers wanted a Tevinter magister holding Redcliffe and capable of time magic. There was no good way to do so, so they forced everyone to hold the idiot ball. IMO it's a good example where the plot was poorly written to achieve a desired outcome rather than naturally reaching that outcome. When we have to jump through so many mental hoops to try and make sense of the situation, it's bad writing. If they really wanted things to make sense, they should have at least used a different character than Fiona. It's not like her presence makes anything better, if anything, it's worse.

 

Sadly, her decisions and the fact that we can't hold her accountable later (we don't need to execute her or judge her, but at least remove her from leadership) make my canon CotJ. Plus I don't like time travel. I wish it had just been the Fade viewing things "as they could be" than actually sending us into the future.

 

I really think there should have been more repercussions for allying with the mages. We're basically giving Fereldan the middle finger if we ally with them, since we don't remove their leader nor do we place any watch over these time bombs who now feel like they can do whatever they want with no consequences. If nothing else, have the approval meter at the WP be set lower. War table missions are not enough to show the effects of big decisions.

[Tidus]

nightscrawl, According to Dorian magic was used to control time and to obtain the Southern mages-he got here before you to get to the mages as if by magic and that's exactly what it was.

 

Fiona was under mind and time control since she has no memory of being in VR yet, we know she spoke to the Inquisitor.

 

I don't think Alexius shiftchange into Fiona.

[nightscrawl]

nightscrawl, According to Dorian magic was used to control time and to obtain the Southern mages-he got here before you to get to the mages as if by magic and that's exactly what it was.

I know this part, but that doesn't explain...
 

Fiona was under mind and time control since she has no memory of being in VR yet, we know she spoke to the Inquisitor.

You have offered no proof here as to WHY she has no memory. I don't see why the time travel would affect her memory if she was the one sent forward or backward to talk to the Herald. This is why I say it is all conjecture because it's not explained in the game. You are assuming she was under mind control (perhaps via blood magic), but it is not explicitly stated. We know something happened and she was manipulated in some way, but we just don't know what that is. All Fiona herself says is that she has no memory of talking to the Herald and that she "feels strange." That's all.