Actually, no. That only happens if you enslave the mages. If you ally with them, there's a war table mission about rescuing mages from a besieged Circle, one about finding lost mages and bringing them to safety, and then a couple involving Teagan.
You mean this?
http://dragonage.wik...r's_Obligations
So, given that the Inquisition protects more mages, including clear innocents, in In Hushed Whispers, it's demonstrably better demonstrating templar ideals on the mage path than the templar path.
Given the templar path involves protecting people from being turned into monsters from red lyrium I'd say you are protecting people either way.
Though I will say Champions of the Just involves people being unwittingly turned to serve the villains while Fiona willingly sells out her people, who are foolish enough to go along with it.
Given the templar path involves protecting people from being turned into monsters from red lyrium I'd say you are protecting people either way.
Though I will say Champions of the Just involves people being unwittingly turned to serve the villains while Fiona willingly sells out her people, who are foolish enough to go along with it.
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I doubt she will ever be important enough to implement.
You are a destroyer of joy.
Alright... fine... but can we just have SOME southern mages to purchase as slaves depending on your Inquisitor's DA Keep choices?
http://dragonage.wik...est_from_Hasmal
Given the templar path involves protecting people from being turned into monsters from red lyrium I'd say you are protecting people either way.
Though I will say Champions of the Just involves people being unwittingly turned to serve the villains while Fiona willingly sells out her people, who are foolish enough to go along with it.
Nah. Protecting civilians is always a higher priority than protecting soldiers. This is also why I never divert Inquisition soldiers in the Frostbacks: the would-be slaves of the red templars are more important to rescue.
You are a destroyer of joy.
Alright... fine... but can we just have SOME southern mages to purchase as slaves depending on your Inquisitor's DA Keep choices?
To do what?
I mean I could maybe see implementation if there was a relevant plot point somewhere but I am drawing a blank on why you would need to purchase slave labor here.
To do what?
I mean I could maybe see implementation if there was a relevant plot point somewhere but I am drawing a blank on why you would need to purchase slave labor here.
Umm... to... have slaves.
Good grief man... it's like you don't even know what luxury is.
How am I supposed to be a proper dignitary in Tevinter without slaves.
Am I suppose to do everything myself? Who will clean my very nice Tevinter clothing? Who will cook my very delicious Tevinter meals? Who will I cut when I have to cast very nasty Tevinter magic? Who will I sacrifice when I have to save myself from my very devious Tevinter enemies?
Honestly... if you don't even know the 1001 uses for a slave... you shouldn't even be allowed through the gates of Minrathous.
Umm... to... have slaves.
Good grief man... it's like you don't even know what luxury is.
Expect extremely limited ability for interaction then, It will be like the servant in DA II...at best.
I thought you actually wanted something beyond subsidiary material here, you know flavor content.
Problem is, mages are stupid.
They don't understand that to protect them from a world that their ilk ruined once a upon a time, they need to be separated from general society, they need to learn their craft in protection but also isolation. I mean really if nothing else DAI demonstrates that people as a whole aren't that friendly to mages, and aren't all that fond of them kicking off that war that ravaged a few countries, but yeah.
Templars exist to protect mages, to ward against the dangers that mages present to themselves and others, and to protect against the dangers posed to mages by others. Still bad as things are, they could be worse I guess, I mean after the dismantling of the mage rebellion and dealing with its leftovers, there is hope for continued magical education and protection in Thedas. Just happens to cause a few more problems that the old Circle prevented, notably them being the only option and being state and internationally sponsored...but those are issues that fall outside of the discussion.
That's a self fulfilling prophecy. If mages are kept in complete isolation, then yes they're going to be stupid in regards to the real world. And if and when they interact with someone from the outside, they won't know what to do.
I agree that there needs to be a formalized system in which mages can learn magic, and that could be a Hogwarts style boarding school, but I don't think completely isolating mages from the rest of the world is going to do any good. There will always be a politician or Chantry official who needs a mage for some purpose, and then that mage will return to the Circle with skewed views of the outside world and begin discontented rumors, and the situation will flare up all over again.
People want what they can't have, just as they're afraid of what they don't understand. This is a bad combination to bring up people who can make fire rain from the sky.
and that could be a Hogwarts style boarding school
That's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Tough luck I guess then, It worked well enough for a thousand years.
I'd say that what we have now is inferior, but It won't be addressed for obvious reasons.
Tough luck I guess then, It worked well enough for a thousand years.
I'd say that what we have now is inferior, but It won't be addressed for obvious reasons.
I think the fact that the Rite of Annulment was created and has been used several times in the past few centuries is enough evidence that the system doesn't work "well enough." It's personal opinion where the line of "enough" is of course, so I doubt this line of conversation would be useful.
Expect extremely limited ability for interaction then, It will be like the servant in DA II...at best.
I thought you actually wanted something beyond subsidiary material here, you know flavor content.
You know... I really could think of a lot of storytelling aspects of slaves... but Bioware's target audience would be outraged.
Real slaves didn't revolt at the drop of a hat... some of them actually loved their positions in life - while the vast majority simply accepted it - and that's hard for modern people to accept.
Honestly... having a slave companion would be amazing I feel.
You know... I really could think of a lot of storytelling aspects of slaves... but Bioware's target audience would be outraged.
Real slaves didn't revolt at the drop of a hat... some of them actually loved their positions in life - while the vast majority simply accepted it - and that's hard for modern people to accept.
Honestly... having a slave companion would be amazing I feel.
Oh believe me I know, or rather I have read what other people have to say on the matter...
Its a old story, it goes many centuries at the very least in a lot cases. The Persian Mamluks were highly regarded soldiers and scouts and they were enslaved under the Fatimids and like minded cultures in the Middle East, then came the crusades, the rest is history but the point stands for several generations you had a entire culture based around mercenary service that would resemble indentured servitude. Stuff like that doesn't exist in DA though.
I think the fact that the Rite of Annulment was created and has been used several times in the past few centuries is enough evidence that the system doesn't work "well enough." It's personal opinion where the line of "enough" is of course, so I doubt this line of conversation would be useful.
Pretty much, I'd say that given its been used less then twenty times in a thousand years is pretty solid backing for the success rating, also if you actually read some of the accounts revolving around those rites, they are generally justified. Heck in one example in DAI itself, you hear about a annulment where every single mage in the circle was killed because every single one of them fell to possession. Like Broken Circle but worse.
All my questions about Fiona were answered when I slayed her and then her body was covered with ice, left to be forgotten.
She got the fate she deserved.
I think the scientific community would like to have some words with you about your research methods. 
I think the scientific community would like to have some words with you about your research methods.
I dunno... I think the results are pretty conclusive.
And... to see if they're reproducible... you just need to find another incompetent elf mage.
Evidently... Thedas is littered with them.
Yeah... like understanding that BioWare was trying to pull a good ol' time travel storyline. Fiona doesn't remember being in Val Royeaux because, in her timeline, she never was. We also learn ingame that the time travel phenomena is limited to the castle and village,
How was that established? People who weren't in the castle or village can be seen in the bad future, do they have duplicates outside the range of the effect? Is there a duplicate Fiona who DOES remember going to Val Royeaux?
Templars exist to protect mages,
What do they protect mages from?
It's hard to say, since we don't receive numbers of how many mages are at Redcliffe. We only see 5-6, though Fiona mentions children and noncombatants.
During Fiona's dialogue with King Alistair (I don't know about Queen Anora), she says, "We have hundreds who need protection," which is of course far less than the amount we see at Redcliffe or at Skyhold. Other than that one line, we are never given clear numbers, although I have suspected that it is quite a few given the scope of the problem. Of course, "hundreds" is an extreme amount, and it just doesn't seem like Radcliffe can house or feed that many, including the residents who have remained.
Like some of the Orlesian civil war presentation issues, it seems like this is another failure to show the true scope of the problem.
I think the scientific community would like to have some words with you about your research methods.
I had 2 question about her. "Is she really that stupid?" and "Can I kill her?".I think the scientific community would like to have some words with you about your research methods.
During Fiona's dialogue with King Alistair (I don't know about Queen Anora), she says, "We have hundreds who need protection," which is of course far less than the amount we see at Redcliffe or at Skyhold. Other than that one line, we are never given clear numbers, although I have suspected that it is quite a few given the scope of the problem. Of course, "hundreds" is an extreme amount, and it just doesn't seem like Radcliffe can house or feed that many, including the residents who have remained.
Like some of the Orlesian civil war presentation issues, it seems like this is another failure to show the true scope of the problem.
Thanks, I had forgotten that quote. You're right, it's not easy to try to guess numbers since there is no evidence of the mages other than the five or so we see in the village. Presumably the rest are staying in the castle? Does the castle have enough accommodations for hundreds of people at once?
Or did Fiona mean that the rebel mages were in the hundreds but scattered throughout southern Thedas. Because after Redcliffe, we still hear of many instances of mage cells or independent mages holed up in towers. And Last Flight has mages and templars both fleeing to Weisshaupt to escape the conflict. And Vivienne's loyalist mages are never seen or mentioned so we have no idea of the size of that faction.
Basically, it's all headcanon.
Looks remarkably similar, except Hasmal has emplars protecting them and Perendale is completely on its own until you send help (in the form of Templars)
Nah. Protecting civilians is always a higher priority than protecting soldiers. This is also why I never divert Inquisition soldiers in the Frostbacks: the would-be slaves of the red templars are more important to rescue.
Well, those "civilians" (for all that they are effectively at war) willingly walked into their situation while the Templars were being deceived.
Edit: not that I don't feel sympathy for some of the mages, who feel they must go along with the crazy ones for fear of being turned out alone and friendless in the Hinterlands. If not outright murdered by their fellow mages for insufficient fervor.
Okay, sort of off topic, but I have a question.
So I'm replaying the game and I'm about to get to Redcliffe.
Why are all the crazy rebel mages burning and freezing up the Hinterlands elves? Is it just a resource thing? If so, why elves? Shouldn't your generic stock circle mage be human?
Edit: I mean the ones out in the open with the sellswords.
I think the ones in the cave might be human. Or at least the boss is.
Okay, sort of off topic, but I have a question.
So I'm replaying the game and I'm about to get to Redcliffe.
Why are all the crazy rebel mages burning and freezing up the Hinterlands elves? Is it just a resource thing? If so, why elves? Shouldn't your generic stock circle mage be human?
Edit: I mean the ones out in the open with the sellswords.
I think the ones in the cave might be human. Or at least the boss is.
I never noticed that, because it's really hard to see character model detail unless pausing in tac cam and angling the camera toward them.
Maybe they wanted Venatori to be human but still wanted elf models for other enemies? The different body types help distinguish the factions?
Okay, sort of off topic, but I have a question.
So I'm replaying the game and I'm about to get to Redcliffe.
Why are all the crazy rebel mages burning and freezing up the Hinterlands elves? Is it just a resource thing? If so, why elves? Shouldn't your generic stock circle mage be human?
Edit: I mean the ones out in the open with the sellswords.
I think the ones in the cave might be human. Or at least the boss is.
I'll have to look for that the next time I play. I thought a lot of the rebels had that Anders jacket look? I think this is one of those game design choices that don't actually mean anything, or they did it for gamey reasons, like model size and such, as vbibbi suggests.
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