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[TheVerbalMurder]

So let me explain. RPGs are kind of my thing. So I blasted through all of the Origins Story and all the side quests and DLC and now I'm facing the arch demon. I don't have a healer in my party (usually Morrigan but she dipped out because I denied the ritual) which is my first mistake. I didn't take Wynne because she was horribly under level. I'm wearing the superior dragon bone Armor from Wade and dual wielding a dragon bone triple enchanted war axe and a dragon bone crow dagger. I have tried every strategy I can think of from face tanking to resting on range to relying on the ballista to avoiding direct contact with the demon to trying to play add control. I can stun lock him with the ballista but then he moves. I summon my armies and send one of my party members out of range. I can't dodge his attacks and they phase through objects so I can't use cover. If I get close to it it picks me up and uses its one hit machanic and ends me right there. If I rest on range he wipes my party then kills me with unavoidable range. If I rest on ballista he just ranges me to death or the adds kill me when he's low health. Am I doing something wrong? I see people consistently saying the fight is easy but I've been knocking my head against it for hours now and I've even lowered the difficulty to Casual and I'm still having trouble with this boss fight. I'm over level twenty. Am I just under levelled? Please help me. Tell me what I'm doing wrong.

[GoldenGail3]

Use the Bastilla to kill that sucker so that he'll land and thus you'll kill him with what ever skill set you may possess.

[TheVerbalMurder]

Use the Bastilla to kill that sucker so that he'll land and thus you'll kill him with what ever skill set you may possess.

I can't get close to him and he kills me with melee so fast that I can't do anything. I don't have any potions and my only other save is from like... 6 quests ago and the dang game auto saved when I entered the boss arena.

[sylvanaerie]

This fight would be hard enough to do on Casual without Wynne (she has not only a heal, but a group heal and a resurrect) but without potions, it's sheer madness.  I don't doubt you're getting your hiney handed to you.  What armies are you using to fight the AD?  What is your party set up?  Why is Wynne "underleveled" since the party tends to level when the PC does, which means she should be comparable to your level.  Do you mean all your good mage stuff went to Morrigan and Wynne would be fighting in her BVD's?  

 

On the final boss I used the dwarven army (I had also recruited the Legion as well) and that was all I needed on casual. Damn Mages cast AOEs that hit the party as well.  Elves would work but I found them pretty squishy.  Get ready for heavy casualties if you use them.  Redcliffe army has no ranged (neither do dwarves) so getting the AD down will be up to your ranged party members, or someone on ballistas if you want to use those once he leaps into the 'ranged only' area.  I set Alistair to tank for me, keeping mobs off my PC while my Surana used ranged spells/staff to tackle the boss, tossing heals to group members as needed.  I focused my attacks on the dragon, using the party to pick off adds as much as they could as when the AD gets low in health those buggers all start exploding around you.  And potions, potions potions, I can't stress that enough to use when the heals are on cooldown.

I am not certain what kind of bonuses your armor has but spirit is what you need to resist the AD's breath weapon so that would help.  

On casual I never had to use the ballistas.  At all.

[Qis]

I suspect your health is so low, do you min-max your stats? If that is the case then once you make a mistake with your party member set up, then the whole thing will be messed up. Min-max players rely on party set up also, not just their character, so long as maintaining the party member they set up with the game will become easy, in your case you loose Morrigan where you already set her purpose being in your party, that's why.

 

Not all attacks can be avoided by your dexterity mind you, that's why i don't agree with most so called guides.....

 

But as a tip, Archdemon deal spirit damage with his breath, why not you increase spirit resistence...Ancient Elven armor have good spirit resistence, Topsider Family sword, and few others i don't remember anymore...use spirit resistence balms if you have them, or just create them if you can...be aware of yellow ranked darkspawns, others are one hit killed but these are not. If you really want to kill the Archdemon with ease, use ranged weapons/magic, and summon Dalish archers or upgraded Mages

[straykat]

Yeah, ancient elven armor.. forget about the low tier. You just need the resist. Or that darkspawn helmet you get before the main fight.

 

Shale also can be equipped for good spirit tanking.

 

As for Wynne and Potions... uh... yeah.. you need one or the other. Both would be nice. And get a bow with Arrows of Filth. That's even better than the ballista.

[Deadly dwarf]

You may want to go back to last save before you choose your final team and include Wynne in your group for healing purposes.  If you're willing to go back even further, buy up the extra arcane skills from Bohdain and other merchants to power up Wynne a bit more if you have the sovereigns, though it's her ability as healer that's most important.  If you have Shale (and also get and enable the mod that corrects some of the glitches that keep some of her powers from working), some of her powers are equivalent to those of a powerful mage.  Also, accumulate a large number of health  and lyrium potions before the final fight.  Once you do most of this, the fight should be doable.  It shouldn't be much worse than the typical dragon fight.  You also have darkspawn to deal with, but you can counter them with the various armies you've collected. 

 

My compliments to you for not doing the Dark Ritual.  Unless your Warden is in a relationship with Morrigan, trusting a questionable "Witch of the Wilds" doesn't make sense.  Every time she gives advice, it's always bad (let Redcliffe burn; ruin the sacred ashes to win the favor of bloodthirsty cultists, etc.)!  And you're supposed to believe doing the Dark Ritual won't result in the Blight possibly resuming in the near future?  You're supposed to take Morrigan's word that this won't be bad at all?  Really?  It surprises me that the developers initially seemed to take it for granted that most people would do the Dark Ritual.  (I also can't believe Wardens who do the DR don't get into trouble with  Weishapt for mysteriously surviving what has killed all previous Warden heroes.)

[dainbramage]

It's an easy fight, but that generally assumes you have potions or a healing mage. With neither you're in for some fun. Can't really give any specific advice without knowing your builds though...

 

Did you kill the lieutenants? One of them should have a helmet with 75% spirit resistance, which should help your tank.

 

Stay away from its head, its dragon breath and grab hurt the most. Also call in the army so that it may hopefully go for them instead. Plus once you get about a third of its hp gone, eamon will also join the fight, and he makes a great distraction.

 

Use the ballistae when it flies to the inaccessible part.

[GoldenGail3]

My Usual Party - Wynne, Alistair (cause he's a tank), and Leliana

PC's - Amell, Cousland

Finale Battle - Dies so much, not becuase of the Archdemon, but because of beforehand, is lucky she saves so much...

[GoldenGail3]

 
My compliments to you for not doing the Dark Ritual.  Unless your Warden is in a relationship with Morrigan, trusting a questionable "Witch of the Wilds" doesn't make sense.  Every time she gives advice, it's always bad (let Redcliffe burn; ruin the sacred ashes to win the favor of bloodthirsty cultists, etc.)!  And you're supposed to believe doing the Dark Ritual won't result in the Blight possibly resuming in the near future?  You're supposed to take Morrigan's word that this won't be bad at all?  Really?  It surprises me that the developers initially seemed to take it for granted that most people would do the Dark Ritual.  (I also can't believe Wardens who do the DR don't get into trouble with  Weishapt for mysteriously surviving what has killed all previous Warden heroes.)

Becuase they're really afraid of the Warden, lol.

[Qis]

If you want to fight the Archdemon in melee, a rogue will have a problem because dragons can knock you down, send warrior instead...Alistair, Sten or Oghren, because warriors have Indomitable and Shield Expertise with Shield Wall that can resist knockdown. Make sure no darkspawn are around them.

 

Archdemon will land at an open area where you can melee him down...and if you're lucky you can get the epic go on the top of his head finishing move. This is more worthwhile to watch than killing him with ranged weapon/magic.

[cJohnOne]

I think Sandal has a few Spirit Salves or Balms or whatever.  The first part of the fight you can summon an army hit the archdemon until his health is half? then the archdemons moves to a ledge and I fire balista at him the balista sometimes jams and you need a rogue to unjam it.  I think Sandal will have a few health potions too.

[Aren]

The archdemon can be killed on solo with the warden only without ballista and potions if you trained well the warden.

If you need help to defeat the critter than it means that your PC isn't strong enough,at least i killed him and the darkspawn at Denerim on solo run.

[sjsharp2011]

My Usual Party - Wynne, Alistair (cause he's a tank), and Leliana

PC's - Amell, Cousland

Finale Battle - Dies so much, not becuase of the Archdemon, but because of beforehand, is lucky she saves so much...

yeah that's usually the group I go with on the tougher and primary  missions mostly too. Of course this depends on what the specializatoins my character's are carrying as well. Generally I go for mages against the archdemon mostly because they can distract the AD while my team and I wrestle it to the ground. I tend to use the dwarves in the opening section of the final level against the Ogres in the market. The elves for clearing out the alienage and outside Fort Drakon the Redcliffe soldiers for the entrance into FD and as I said the mages to finish.

[bug_age_inquisition]

Archdemon will land at an open area where you can melee him down...and if you're lucky you can get the epic go on the top of his head finishing move. This is more worthwhile to watch than killing him with ranged weapon/magic.

 

Lucky? Doesn't that always trigger even if it's Alistair or something who's meleeing it?

 

I always would bring a spirit healer and I am rarely outside of the radial menu more than a second or two, but even with my micromanaging the Archdemon fight is brutal.

 

You need constant support from your armies as well, not sure which one is the best against the Archdemon though. It's just a constant and relentless onslaught that doesn't let up until you defeat it.

[capn233]

I've only ever used the Mages in the archdemon fight, at least if I summon an army.

 

I might have missed it, but what is the OP's class and build?  Saw Wade's Dragonbone w/ Axe and Dagger so I would assume DW Warrior although I guess this could be AW.  Greater Spirit Balm is really helpful if you don't have a healer and don't want to drink a bunch of health pots.  Also helps if you catch a Crushing Prison from Emissary reinforcements.  I haven't ever fought it without a healer except when soloing.  As far as team goes, Lelianna is usually DW dagger Dex/Cun and extremely deadly by this portion of the game and I have to be careful that she doesn't steal the kill for her heroic accomplishments.

 

In melee range, try to stay away from the frontal arc.  I don't remember the last time I had a character grabbed by the archdemon, I thought its grab chance was a lot lower than Flemmeth or the High Dragon, if not 0.

 

As far as ease goes, most of the time when people reference the ease of the fight, it is in relation to the standard High Dragon.  A lot of things are pretty relative in this game though, depending on when you fight them and what builds and team composition you take.

 

edit:  Oh, usually I prefer to get Wade's Superior Dragonscale Heavy from him, since it has great armor rating already, and you can combine it with Evon the Great's Mail for the chest.  Lot of people like that setup.

[GoldenGail3]

yeah that's usually the group I go with on the tougher and primary  missions mostly too. Of course this depends on what the specializatoins my character's are carrying as well. Generally I go for mages against the archdemon mostly because they can distract the AD while my team and I wrestle it to the ground. I tend to use the dwarves in the opening section of the final level against the Ogres in the market. The elves for clearing out the alienage and outside Fort Drakon the Redcliffe soldiers for the entrance into FD and as I said the mages to finish.

 

I use the dwarves for outside of Fort Drakon (due to Magic) and then i pretty much do what you do... 

[Aren]

The final confrontation with the archdemon it's easy you don't even need to fight it.

Use the ballistas and Eamon and Gregoir and Kardol as your puppets.

If you have a rogue then summon some animals while you shoot the dragon with arrows or the giant ballistas in the tower

[bug_age_inquisition]

 

The final confrontation with the archdemon it's easy you don't even need to fight it.

Use the ballistas and Eamon and Gregoir and Kardol as your puppets.

If you have a rogue then summon some animals while you shoot the dragon with arrows or the giant ballistas in the tower

 

It's fun to beat it yourself though. I'm sure I could do it without even summoning the army.

[sjsharp2011]

I use the dwarves for outside of Fort Drakon (due to Magic) and then i pretty much do what you do... 

Yeah I tend to use the wdarves firs tbecause of the Ogres and the first general I find really tough to take down especially as there's 5/ 6of them in that market place I just find I need a fair bit of muscle t obring them down and the dwarves despite their size do seem to be good at that in DAO.

 

 

It's fun to beat it yourself though. I'm sure I could do it without even summoning the army.

Not suer I could there's just toomany of them in the external areas. Especially if you ne4ed to be prepared for things like the shrieks which quite often catch me off guard. It's not as if I can't beat the level I'm just not sure I could do it without the armies

[capn233]

Not suer I could there's just toomany of them in the external areas. Especially if you ne4ed to be prepared for things like the shrieks which quite often catch me off guard. It's not as if I can't beat the level I'm just not sure I could do it without the armies

 

Some portions in Denerim are a bit tedious that way, but if you are a mage or have mages you can nuke with AOEs.  Also a lot of the trash mobs in the battle are actually extremely weak and die to a single melee hit from a leveled up warrior or rogue.

[bug_age_inquisition]

Yeah I tend to use the wdarves firs tbecause of the Ogres and the first general I find really tough to take down especially as there's 5/ 6of them in that market place I just find I need a fair bit of muscle t obring them down and the dwarves despite their size do seem to be good at that in DAO.

 

 

Not suer I could there's just toomany of them in the external areas. Especially if you ne4ed to be prepared for things like the shrieks which quite often catch me off guard. It's not as if I can't beat the level I'm just not sure I could do it without the armies

 

If you play heavily with the radial menu, Spirit Healers and their party members are basically invincible.

[sjsharp2011]

If you play heavily with the radial menu, Spirit Healers and their party members are basically invincible.

well I usually bring Wynne with me anyway if I'm not a mage myself because again I do use her healing powers. Also I wouldn't asy I'm completely invincible as I've been brought down even when I have had Wynne in my team. Having said that though I've just had a first for me in that I've just taken down the Brrodmother in the dead trenches without anyone being taken out.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I also can't believe Wardens who do the DR don't get into trouble with  Weishapt for mysteriously surviving what has killed all previous Warden heroes.

There's nothing wrong with not dying, and only circumstantial evidence that the Warden did anything questionable to enable this. I say this as someone who agrees with you that there are reasons to be concerned about the DR.

[Aren]

There's nothing wrong with not dying, and only circumstantial evidence that the Warden did anything questionable to enable this. I say this as someone who agrees with you that there are reasons to be concerned about the DR.

I think that if the GW are really interested in this(but they don't even care apparently) they should be able to find enough pieces that would lead them to the right solution.

They can ask to Alistair/Loghain or investigate about Flemeth/Morrigan involvment.

In DAI (or it was DAA epilogue i don't remember well) for what i recall  the first warden was suspicious about Morrigan involvment in the blight.