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[Lenloumas]

How do I need to spec my Krogan Warlord to do this on Gold and Platinum respectively?
Would be ideal if I could do this without a power amplifier module, and even better if I can still take the 2 charge evolution of Biotic Hammer.

[junker1990]

N7-Link, is that you?

[Teabaggin Krogan]

Haven't played in a bit so my bad if I'm not too exact. You could use a shotgun with an omniblade, either hydraulic joints or a martial biotic amp and stack melee mods to get a huge damage output for biotic hammer. It helps if you're in rage and if you use the three hit running melee combo for the warlord. Also unless I'm wrong, If you're using a gun with a charge up like the geth shotgun, grall etc then you can charge up and run into them to initiate the melee and the gun will auto fire as long as you keep the crosshairs on the phantom for a bit of an extra kick.  Someone here's probably done a more extensive testing though.

[Darth Volus]

On Gold it will one shot Phantoms with a hammer. 

[LoonySpectre]

 If you're using a gun with a charge up like the geth shotgun, grall etc then you can charge up and run into them to initiate the melee and the gun will auto fire as long as you keep the crosshairs on the phantom for a bit of an extra kick

You can do that with any weapon, as long as you hold the fire button during the melee (or any other non-idle) animation. Even Claymore.

[Darth Volus]

http://kalence.drupa...24Q56364!FA.D9H

 

This is a reference build. I slapped a lolReegar on him, because it's by far the safest choice for him when going against bosses. 

 

P.S. Kalence may be not available depending on your browser. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

You can one-shot Phantoms in Gold with Electric Hammer, if you're willing to wait for the duration to finish.

[Darth Volus]

You can one-shot Phantoms in Gold with Electric Hammer, if you're willing to wait for the duration to finish.

 

And get stabbed 3 times 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

And get stabbed 3 times 

 

Yer doin' it wrong.

[Darth Volus]

Yer doin' it wrong.

 

Maybe. But she can still cancel my heavy melee animation mid Mwraahahah face ram. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Maybe. But she can still cancel my heavy melee animation mid Mwraahahah face ram. 

 

Oh, that. That happens whichever hammer you're using. Phantoms are douchenozzles!

[Arkhne]

http://kalence.drupa...24Q56364!FA.D9H

 

This is a reference build. I slapped a lolReegar on him, because it's by far the safest choice for him when going against bosses. 

 

P.S. Kalence may be not available depending on your browser. 

 

Both my warlording friend and I will have to disagree with you on that one, rank 4 fitness on melee is wasted. The melee boosts (except martial artist, which should always be taken) from fitness do not affect your ability to one-shot enemies, enemies that take more than one hit, will still take more than one hit, and since when tanking, your shieldgate doesn't exist, and you are relying on health and regeneration, where the extra DR and regeneration from rage, and health pool greatly boost your survivability.

 

It would be great if it was worth taking any melee boosts on him, but it isn't. Also, why the 6a tech armour? Also wasted DR potential, the warlord isn't a glass cannon, he's a tank, who hits like one. You've sacrificed so much survivability and effectiveness for NOTHING.

 

TL;DR http://kalence.drupa...33556241!GA.EEG

Edit: Link fixed.

[Darth Volus]

Both my warlording friend and I will have to disagree with you on that one, rank 4 fitness on melee is wasted. The melee boosts (except martial artist, which should always be taken) from fitness do not affect your ability to one-shot enemies, enemies that take more than one hit, will still take more than one hit, and since when tanking, your shieldgate doesn't exist, and you are relying on health and regeneration, where the extra DR and regeneration from rage, and health pool greatly boost your survivability.

 

It would be great if it was worth taking any melee boosts on him, but it isn't. Also, why the 6a tech armour? Also wasted DR potential, the warlord isn't a glass cannon, he's a tank, who hits like one. You've sacrificed so much survivability and effectiveness for NOTHING.

 

TL;DR http://kalence.drupa...33556241!GA.EGG

 

The power recharge speed is not for nothing.  It's to get your Biotic Hammer charges as fast as possible, so you can wreck bosses as fast as possible. I don't need all the DR to survive. That extra melee damage helps against Goons, Pyros crap like that, plus mooks fly farther with more melee damage 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Both my warlording friend and I will have to disagree with you on that one, rank 4 fitness on melee is wasted. The melee boosts (except martial artist, which should always be taken) from fitness do not affect your ability to one-shot enemies, enemies that take more than one hit, will still take more than one hit, and since when tanking, your shieldgate doesn't exist, and you are relying on health and regeneration, where the extra DR and regeneration from rage, and health pool greatly boost your survivability.

 

It would be great if it was worth taking any melee boosts on him, but it isn't. Also, why the 6a tech armour? Also wasted DR potential, the warlord isn't a glass cannon, he's a tank, who hits like one. You've sacrificed so much survivability and effectiveness for NOTHING.

 

TL;DR http://kalence.drupa...33556241!GA.EGG

 

I disagree with pretty much all of this.

 

Melee ignores healthgate and shieldgate. The melee bonuses have a huge impact on the TTK for enemies, especially bosses. The idea that melee fitness bonuses on the Warlord aren't worth taking is... nuts.

 

I have never taken anything but the melee bonuses, and constantly tank two primes and multiple Geth with ease. If you don't  have enough health to tank with Warlord unless you take the health bonuses in fitness, the problem isn't with the melee bonuses.

[GruntKitterhand]

The melee boosts (except martial artist, which should always be taken) from fitness do not affect your ability to one-shot enemies

 

Your recommended build confused me as you haven't taken it.

 

I'm pretty sure I know the friend you're referring to, and while I wouldn't dispute your or his skill, I don't really get the point of taking all the bottom options on Fitness, and am assuming it was a mistake tbh. 6b maybe, because it offers so much more survivability, but he's already pretty damn survivable. Still don't like playing him though, so what do I know?! 

[Teabaggin Krogan]

You can do that with any weapon, as long as you hold the fire button during the melee (or any other non-idle) animation. Even Claymore.

I haven't tried that with the claymore. With the claymore I always tend to shoot after the melee as a clean up but this is interesting!

 

Also as for taking fitness or melee, I usually go for melee since he's pretty tanky already and as long as you don't go rambo and try and take on a couple primes by yourself out in the open, survivability is pretty high with this kit. It also helps with getting rage faster.

 

But I don't ever go for the recharge for biotic hammer as with the double charge option you have a good amount of time on your hands before you have to refill your hammer and it helps that you can instantly use the power after activating it. I usually go all damage on the biotic hammer except the last one where I take the charge option.

[Arkhne]

^You can keep playing your sucky glass cannon warlords who don't kill any faster, the game is easy enough, gimping yourself doesn't matter

 

If you think you DO kill faster, then you haven't played enough Warlord, one-hit kill is still one-hit kill.

[Darth Volus]

^You can keep playing your sucky glass cannon warlords who don't kill any faster, the game is easy enough, gimping yourself doesn't matter

 

If you think you DO kill faster, then you haven't played enough Warlord, one-hit kill is still one-hit kill.

 

One hit kill on what enemy? Also remember that the Warlord can do the triple hit combo which is stronger (and more awesome) with melee damage 

 

 

[Arkhne]

One hit kill on what enemy? Also remember that the Warlord can do the triple hit combo which is stronger (and more awesome) with melee damage 

 

 

 

Any enemy that isn't a Banshee, Prime, Atlas, or Praetorian will die in one biotic hammer (either through triple combo, heavy melee for mid-tier shielded enemies like Pyros), or running back hand. No matter how much melee you stack, this doesnt change. Even Brutes and Scions die to one biotic hammer on Gold.

 

L2Warlord.

[Darth Volus]

Any enemy that isn't a Banshee, Prime, Atlas, or Praetorian will die in one biotic hammer (either through triple combo, heavy melee for mid-tier shielded enemies like Pyros), or running back hand. No matter how much melee you stack, this doesnt change. Even Brutes and Scions die to one biotic hammer on Gold.

 

L2Warlord.

 

L2Worlard? You need to have a Biotic Hammer ready at all times and when you're fighting 2 Goons and 3 Phantoms that isn't always the case. With more melee damage you can Mwrhahaha backhand Phantoms on Gold and kill 'em in one go. As I said, I don't need all the DR and health in the world to not die as Warlord. I need some regen and some DR and that's it. 

[GruntKitterhand]

Any enemy that isn't a Banshee, Prime, Atlas, or Praetorian will die in one biotic hammer (either through triple combo, heavy melee for mid-tier shielded enemies like Pyros), or running back hand. No matter how much melee you stack, this doesnt change. Even Brutes and Scions die to one biotic hammer on Gold.

 

L2Warlord.

 

Two responses. So attacks on Banshees, Primes, Atlases and Praetorians will benefit from melee boosts, yes?

 

And are you also saying that every time you melee as a Warlord, you do so with Biotic Hammer active?

[Teabaggin Krogan]

^You can keep playing your sucky glass cannon warlords who don't kill any faster, the game is easy enough, gimping yourself doesn't matter

 

If you think you DO kill faster, then you haven't played enough Warlord, one-hit kill is still one-hit kill.

He's not a glass cannon just because you skip a bit of fitness, far from it. Are you saying that more damage doesn't help against the heavy bosses?

Hell I'd rather go for tech armor that fitness coz tech armor!

 

Also ditto above^

[Arkhne]

Taking rank 4 melee makes less than 10% damage difference, the overall effect is not noticable.

 

And no, most hits are running backhands, because that kills most things.

 

The ONLY enemies where is makes a difference, are the banshees/primes/etc, and there the TTK difference is negated by the fact that the total damage increase does NOT change the total number of hits to kill. The difference is tiny. It makes no practical difference. Giving up tankiness on him is wasted, SINCE IT HAS NO EFFECT ON TTK. EVERYTHING dies in the same number of hits.

[Darth Volus]

Can a full fitness Krogan Warlord 1 shot a Phantom in a single cast of heavy running melee on Gold?  I think not. 

[GruntKitterhand]

EVERYTHING dies in the same number of hits.

 

I'm sorry man but that's just not a simple statement of fact, even in capitals. You just can't ignore up to 2k of potential heavy melee damage, or knowing that a single headbutt will spare your charged hammer for later, or whatever. I've no doubt that a lot of what you say is true, but you appear to be taking a definite stance on something which is very clearly debatable at least. And Jer hasn't even raised the Double Hammer 'best build' argument. Yet. 

 

You still haven't clarified your contradictory statement on rank 5 of fitness though - can we assume it was a mistake - you have to go 5a, surely? I'd rather be a 'glass cannon' (lol, btw - well played) than a pyjak!