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[Secret Rare]

I sort of want to say don't get me started , I'm going further down the Sun madness rambling (sorry) but...

 

There's some interesting thing here and there.

Now the Maker/Chantry symbolism is the Sun.

And if you read the  creation of the world  myth in the Chant of Light , and try to imagine the Maker's first children were not exactly spirits but the first elves...and at the very least Elgar'nan was known as the Sun son...it gets eerie.

It fits well enough except when there is a conflict between this Maker and its creation.

In the Chant , the Maker turns away because it's brooding time .But the elven part of this story would be the first children beat their father senseless and tamed him.

Now at the very least in the Dalish myth , there was some bad consequences for the conflict between Elgar'nan and the Sun , but Mythal calmed things down and they managed some truce , with the Sun being the looser but still.

Since that part of the story we can only find in Dalish stories , it's hard to be sure it did happen.

These are Dalish myths that you are mixing with the chantry belief.

Didn't Solas said that they were generals that rose to god figures? Hardly any of them has anything to do with the Maker.

[Reznore57]

 

These are Dalish myths that you are mixing with the chantry belief.

Didn't Solas said that they were generals that rose to god figures? Hardly any of them has anything to do with the Maker.

 

 

I'm mixing those on purpose.

There was a "Sun" entity in Dalish myth and in ancient elven lore , whatever it was ,was defeated by the Elven Gods at one point .Stories are vague.

Now how is it related to the Maker?

Well sometimes the Maker in chantry symbolism is depicted as a Sun

Light, fire , golden/yellow colors are also stuff  those two have in common ins stories.

 

Besides for the elves , this Sun entity was at the very least the father of some of the elven gods, things went poorly between the two.

In Chantry lore , the Maker also had a number of children , spirits are the first children , humanoid the second children , it also went poorly.

In both cases for difference reason those shiny deities have disappeared.

[Gervaise]

Reznore is likely correct that there is some sort of connection between the two myths.  Either that or you cannot reconcile Chantry beliefs about the Maker with the facts we have been presented with about the Veil and the Evanuris.   Something has to give and since we have been shown evidence that much of the Dalish legends were in fact correct about what occurred in the ancient past, you have to wonder where the Maker fits into it all.   The symbol of the Maker is the sun.   It appears frequently in Chantry iconography.   

 

All Solas says is that the Evanuris were generals in a war; he never says who they fought against.   We can assume it was the Titans but we don't absolutely know that is the case.  Plus the Chantry teach that lyrium is the essence of all Creation, left over from the birth of the world when the Maker created it.  Some even call the song it emits the voice of the Maker.   Well we do know that lyrium in its purest form is the blood of a Titan, so again if you try and reconcile what people believe with what actually happened it would seem you seem to arrive at the conclusion that the Titans are in some way linked to the Maker.

 

Third interesting bit of lore.   To the ancient elves the Fade seemed synonymous with the sky.    Skyhold is the place where the sky was held back (symbolic for the creation of the Veil).   Whenever a big tear appears it always seems to be above us (except when we fall into the Abyss).   To the ancients, the spirits who never left the Fade were called "our Brethren of the Air", which implies two things, the ancient elves did have a kinship with the spirits (Maker's first children) and the Fade, the home of the Maker in Chantry lore, is regarded to be the Sky/Air.

 

It is hard to not equate Elgar'nan "throwing down the Sun" as the symbolic depiction in lore of the rebellion of the spirits that became known as the elven gods, when they crossed into the material world and took on the "mortal" forms that eventually led to their worship.   In doing so they came into conflict with the Titans, the essence of creation in the depths of the earth that were in some way intrinsically linked to the Maker spirit, probably through the lyrium.

[Heimdall]

Anyone else find it weird that the one group we seem to know the least about in DRAGON AGE are the actual dragons?

[Secret Rare]

I'm mixing those on purpose.

There was a "Sun" entity in Dalish myth and in ancient elven lore , whatever it was ,was defeated by the Elven Gods at one point .Stories are vague.

Now how is it related to the Maker?

Well sometimes the Maker in chantry symbolism is depicted as a Sun

Light, fire , golden/yellow colors are also stuff  those two have in common ins stories.

 

Besides for the elves , this Sun entity was at the very least the father of some of the elven gods, things went poorly between the two.

In Chantry lore , the Maker also had a number of children , spirits are the first children , humanoid the second children , it also went poorly.

In both cases for difference reason those shiny deities have disappeared.

The Dalish Sun is the concept that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, substance, cause, identity, time, and space in short it is a transcendent entity.

The general known as Elgar nan has nothing to do with it beyond the metaphorical subversion of the religious reversal from worshipping such sun-concept to worshipping him and his dynasty directly.

Elgar nan and the Sun never fought against each other just as the Sun isn't his father.

[Iakus]

Anyone else find it weird that the one group we seem to know the least about in DRAGON AGE are the actual dragons?

Dragons are just animals.  Large, powerful animals with magical properties, but still animals.

 

What's mysterious are the beings who seem to try to emulate them:  The Old Gods, the Evanuris, and to some extent the Qunari.

[Heimdall]

Dragons are just animals. Large, powerful animals with magical properties, but still animals.

What's mysterious are the beings who seem to try to emulate them: The Old Gods, the Evanuris, and to some extent the Qunari.

Yavana and their Blight resistance seems to suggest that there's more to it.

[Iakus]

Yavana and their Blight resistance seems to suggest that there's more to it.

they are resistant, but not immune.

 

But even some humans, like Leliana, are resistant to the blight.

[Heimdall]

they are resistant, but not immune.

But even some humans, like Leliana, are resistant to the blight.

Some humans, but all dragons, and Reavers amongst others all attest to the unique magical quality of dragon blood. Something's up with them but it's not clear how they fit into everything.

[ModernAcademic]

Lyrium seems to be the same thing that adra is in Pillars of Eternity: an organic crystalline material that can be found growing up through the ground in veins, containing souls pumped by an unknown source at the core of the planet. Titans are indeed fueled by it, and that makes red lyrium even more disturbing, because its literally made of living people, not just from souls like regular lyrium. Maybe the evanuris found a way to feed living people to a titan in order to produce stronger lyrium, and the memmories and desires contained in the blood of those being sacrificed poisoned the titan or even the very Stone. Who knows... sadly there is no new DA material being developed that I know of, not even books, and that's a little worrying...

 

This is very interesting. If lyrium in DA is indeed similar to this substance in Pillars, then we can safely assume both are also similar to the Lifestream in Final Fantasy VII. Literally, the stream of life, the soul of the planet, comprised of the souls of all life that has passed away. The planet then condenses it and it becomes spherical objects known as Materia, capable of generating magic.

 

So, supposing this comparison is true, then when a person dies in Thedas, their soul goes to the Beyond and is recycled by a Titan, returning to the physical world in the form of lyrium?

 

So the source of magic in Thedas is ultimately...a process of recycling souls? Could it be it?