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[Dutch's Ghost]

Read WOT v2 and looked at the artist rendition of Darinius the founder of the Imperium and he seems pretty brown. Nothing wrong with that mind you but it seems they're colouring a lot of people in thedas for PC purposes. I mean I gathered the Tevinters were similar in skintone to say Ancient Romans and Hellenes but the picture of Darinius reminded me of some very dark Hindu priest.

Really I find this disconcerting, I mean half of Ferelden is already black from the NPCS seen in the hinterlands. I'm not against colouring of the races and diversification per say but the Tevinters we saw in DA1, 2 and 3(Calpurnia) were white. Also Isabella looked like a Romani which was the opposite from what I've seen in da2.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Also I felt like WOT 2 was poorly written, reading how Darinius and his journey to Kal Sharaok AFTER becoming Archon and battling in the proven grounds was cheesy as ****...

[vertigomez]

Gaider said the eastern half of Tevinter was more South Asian/Indian, hence darker skintones.

And there were plenty of pale Venatori, anyway.

[Addictress]

Tevinter has always been mostly dark-skinned with white minority. Look at Dorian and Krem.

And yeah, sometimes PC is just a label you slap onto something that's really more "accurate." If you're going to have things like Rivain and Antiva that evoke Spain, Italy, and Mediterranean areas, you've blown the fantasy world outside the boundaries England and Northern Europe and do have license to represent aaalll the dark folk - which honestly outnumber the white - in historical reality.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Gaider said the eastern half of Tevinter was more South Asian/Indian, hence darker skintones.

And there were plenty of pale Venatori, anyway.

News to me, and most likely a retcon since Tevinters were never mentioned as dark as that.

[Almostfaceman]

 but it seems they're colouring a lot of people in thedas for PC purposes. 

 

[GoldenGail3]

News to me, and most likely a retcon since Tevinters were never mentioned as dark as that.

Their probaly tanned from being near the Equator; I suppose.

[Addictress]

News to me, and most likely a retcon since Tevinters were never mentioned as dark as that.

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All the concept art I've ever seen has been more dark

Of course there are some pale ones, but it was clear where they were going in the core feeling of the Imperium.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Tevinter has always been mostly dark-skinned with white minority. Look at Dorian and Krem.

And yeah, sometimes PC is just a label you slap onto something that's really more "accurate." If you're going to have things like Rivain and Antiva that evoke Spain, Italy, and Mediterranean areas, you've blown the fantasy world outside the boundaries England and Northern Europe and do have license to represent aaalll the dark folk - which honestly outnumber the white - in historical reality.

"Has always been"

Not it hasn't. If it has then they did a poor job of conveying it in DAO and DA2. Also places like Spain, Italy etc.. Are not as dark as say India or the middle-East. I'm not exaggerating when I say Darinius looked like a very dark Hindu priest of sorts.

I'm confused on how Bioware's rendition of Thedas, first it was modelled after most of Europe now it seems like the world.

[vertigomez]

News to me, and most likely a retcon since Tevinters were never mentioned as dark as that.

So... it's a retcon because unless they explicitly say there are brown people in Tevinter, they must be white?

[Dutch's Ghost]

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All the concept art I've ever seen has been more dark

Of course there are some pale ones, but it was clear where they were going in the core feeling of the Imperium.

What concept art? From WOT 1 the Tevinters were not portrayed as dark skinned people. Even during the early days of DA there was no portrayal of the Tevinters as swarthy people - as a matter of fact they were the proverbial Roman Empire and were light-skinned.

[Akrabra]

News to me, and most likely a retcon since Tevinters were never mentioned as dark as that.

And why does this matter?

[vertigomez]

The Roman Empire spanned three continents...

Anyway, Tevinter shares its eastern border with Antiva which shares a border with Rivain, so it makes perfect sense that there's a variety of skin tones.

[Dutch's Ghost]

So... it's a retcon because unless they explicitly say there are brown people in Tevinter, they must be white?

99% of all the Tevinters we see in the game are white, Dorian being the only exception. The only one.

First it was the Rivians who I assumed were like Isabella, tannish-Mediterranean - they retconned them into being black, not it is the Tevinters who are being retconned into being brown - something they weren't before.

[Dutch's Ghost]

And why does this matter?

Because they're retconning their lore and how they portrayed the Tevinters.

[Almostfaceman]

Read WOT v2 and looked at the artist rendition of Darinius the founder of the Imperium and he seems pretty brown. Nothing wrong with that mind you but it seems they're colouring a lot of people in thedas for PC purposes. I mean I gathered the Tevinters were similar in skintone to say Ancient Romans and Hellenes but the picture of Darinius reminded me of some very dark Hindu priest.

Really I find this disconcerting, I mean half of Ferelden is already black from the NPCS seen in the hinterlands. I'm not against colouring of the races and diversification per say but the Tevinters we saw in DA1, 2 and 3(Calpurnia) were white. Also Isabella looked like a Romani which was the opposite from what I've seen in da2.

 

 

If they want to refine their universe as they make games exploring that universe, I have no problem with that. Especially with something so inconsequential as skin color. It's not like they're turning Tevinter citizens into Drell. 

 

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[Almostfaceman]

And why does this matter?

 

It doesn't. 

[Abyss108]

Guys, don't you understand? Because 1 or 2 pictures from an old book written before they had completely fleshed out all the countries features a few white people, every single person in Tevinter must now be white. 

[vertigomez]

99% of all the Tevinters we see in the game are white, Dorian being the only exception. The only one.

Lmao what? Halward, Krem, Fenris, and various concept art...

[Dutch's Ghost]

The Roman Empire spanned three continents...

Anyway, Tevinter shares its eastern border with Antiva which shares a border with Rivain, so it makes perfect sense that there's a variety of skin tones.

Yes it spanned three continents but the Romans ie the real Romans were not swarthy people.

Rivain was previously retconned as being black and brown, previously just tannish similar to antiva. Also Darinius was born in Minrathous in the west which closely borders Anderfells than Anitiva so by your logic shouldn't Darinius look like the Anders people instead of being portrayed as extremely dark? Heck he's more darker than most Indian people I know.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

99% of all the Tevinters we see in the game are white, Dorian being the only exception. The only one.

First it was the Rivians who I assumed were like Isabella, tannish-Mediterranean - they retconned them into being black, not it is the Tevinters who are being retconned into being brown - something they weren't before.

People from Rivain were always black. Isabela in DAO and DA2 was black.

[Dutch's Ghost]

If they want to refine their universe as they make games exploring that universe, I have no problem with that. Especially with something so inconsequential as skin color. It's not like they're turning Tevinter citizens into Drell.

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So you agree that Bioware is modelling thedas after the entire world? Rivain is Africa and Tevinter the middle-East and India? It's all right for you but retconning what they previously wanted their world to be ie Europe and don't you say they didn't because the lore clearly shares similarities between the states of Thedas to Europe.

[Dutch's Ghost]

People from Rivain were always black. Isabela in DAO and DA2 was black.

No they weren't.

[Iakus]

What concept art? From WOT 1 the Tevinters were not portrayed as dark skinned people. Even during the early days of DA there was no portrayal of the Tevinters as swarthy people - as a matter of fact they were the proverbial Roman Empire and were light-skinned.

To be fair, DAO didn't do skin tones too well.

 

I had envisioned Tevinter people to be more Mediterranean in appearance, since the Imperium was clearly based on the Roman/Byzantine empires.  But if they have an at least partly Asian appearance, I can roll with it

[Ms. Sarsaparilla]

Because they're retconning their lore and how they portrayed the Tevinters.

 

Bluntly...I don't agree and you haven't even come within shouting distance of proving this assertion. But I'll humor you. Let's suppose they did indeed "retcon" it. They changed their minds or something and decided to add more dark-skinned people.

 

So?

 

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Why is that bad? Seriously, what is the actual problem here?