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[XEternalXDreamsX]

I always found it weird that Hispanic or Latino is not considered a race by USA federal law but an ethnicity since multiple races fall in that category? Couple parts of Thedas fall into that type of description? Multiple races with a common background to fill the nation?

[Andraste_Reborn]

True, but the colorful foliage and the fluorescent purple parrots flying around screams Amazon rain forest to me.  It was the same with the JoH setting.  Tropical looking flora and parrots clashing with DA's version of Elder Scrolls Nords- the Avvar.  It was all odd to me.

 

Australian temperate rain forests (which are the only ones I've been to - can't speak for the others) have lots of colourful plants and are full of parrots no more outlandish than the ones in the game. The Arbour Wilds looked a lot like parts of Tasmania to me.

[Eelectrica]

Australian temperate rain forests (which are the only ones I've been to - can't speak for the others) have lots of colourful plants and are full of parrots no more outlandish than the ones in the game. The Arbour Wilds looked a lot like parts of Tasmania to me.

The JoH region reminded me a lot of Cairns. Been a while since I was last there, but the forests, streams, wildlife... Well maybe not so much the spiders, don't remember too many giant spiders.

[BansheeOwnage]

Glad you brought that up - I've asked myself the same question. I always found the Avvar's choice of clothing odd for the perceived climate.

Their choice of clothing is pretty inconsistent regardless of their climate. Half of them don't even bother with shirts, while the other half wears heavy fur...

[ArcaneEsper]

Orthodox Jew. Amish. Sikh. It's quite possible to "look" a religion. Sometimes it has to do with dress, sometimes genetics. In terms of Dragon Age, try to tell me that a qunari warrior sporting red bodypaint and/or string doesn't "look" Qunari. Or that an elf with vallaslin doesn't "look" Dalish. Or that Divine Victoria in her regalia doesn't "look" Andrastian.

Okay? The skin tone was being discussed and I just wanted to mention that "Hindu" is not a skin tone and that South Asian would be a better term to use. Because not everyone in South Asia is a Hindu (myself included) and on top of that being Hindu isn't determined by skin colour.

[tehturian]

Why is half of Ferelden black then? Have you seen the NPCS in the hinterlands?

To be fair to OP this was really strange, The diversity would have made more sense if we were visiting port cities and such but the countryside? Even in today's world towns and villages aren't that diverse.

 

It's not much of a problem though. DA isn't like Witcher in that it's meant to be based on real world historical settings. They just wanted to reflect today's population I guess. It just seemed a bit hamfisted to me. 

[bEVEsthda]

To be fair to OP this was really strange, The diversity would have made more sense if we were visiting port cities and such but the countryside? Even in today's world towns and villages aren't that diverse.

 

It's not much of a problem though. DA isn't like Witcher in that it's meant to be based on real world historical settings. They just wanted to reflect today's population I guess. It just seemed a bit hamfisted to me. 

 

Yes.

When you build a different fictional world and a story in that world, you're going to mess up big time if you do not accept "translating" everything, that doesn't actually play a part in the story, to modern paradigms and perceptions. The most immediate example is that people have to talk a comprehensible language. You're going to tire the audience far beyond tolerance if you demand it to learn a made-up endemic language in order to follow the plot. And the same applies to expressions, morals, customs etc.

 

Yes, you're making up a story, but to get that universal story across to today's audience, you must translate it to a form that is relevant to their perception.

That consideration can also be argued to be valid for inclusion. Especially for a roleplay game!  Of today's audience. I think Bioware have totally nailed this. Yes, since DA:O they have missed a lot in their eagerness to emulate other, much lesser games, but not this. 

 

That we in our society today have a cultural phenomenon of a self-driving conflict between social justice warriors and people who goes out of their way to be annoyed and insulted by blatant "political correctness" is a side-issue that can't really be taken into account or be considered - in this context. The best way to handle that is the same way as skin color. Ignore it, because it should be irrelevant, and if we ignore it enough it will be.

[ModernAcademic]

Yeah, hey just a small nitpick but this thread is full of "looks Hindu" like Hinduism is a religion so you can't "look" it. The term you're looking for is South Asian.

 

Got it. 

[SnakeCode]

Yes.

When you build a different fictional world and a story in that world, you're going to mess up big time if you do not accept "translating" everything, that doesn't actually play a part in the story, to modern paradigms and perceptions. The most immediate example is that people have to talk a comprehensible language. You're going to tire the audience far beyond tolerance if you demand it to learn a made-up endemic language in order to follow the plot. And the same applies to expressions, morals, customs etc.

 

Yes, you're making up a story, but to get that universal story across to today's audience, you must translate it to a form that is relevant to their perception.

That consideration can also be argued to be valid for inclusion. Especially for a roleplay game!  Of today's audience. I think Bioware have totally nailed this. Yes, since DA:O they have missed a lot in their eagerness to emulate other, much lesser games, but not this. 

 

That we in our society today have a cultural phenomenon of a self-driving conflict between social justice warriors and people who goes out of their way to be annoyed and insulted by blatant "political correctness" is a side-issue that can't really be taken into account or be considered - in this context. The best way to handle that is the same way as skin color. Ignore it, because it should be irrelevant, and if we ignore it enough it will be.

 

The irony.

[bEVEsthda]

The irony.

 

Well, I'm sorry. Actually I'm not. I stand by that Inclusive is still good and necessary. It just doesn't have to mean everything.

When I wrote that piece I was happily unaware of the SJW-phenomenon going completely insane, vile, disgusting and fascist (no, I don't get out much, I work for a living). I thought that was just A.S. conning useful idiots of their money. She does live a comfortable life, after all.

No, I now understand that SJWs and PCness must be fought everywhere. But inclusive is still good.

[BSpud]

Really I find this disconcerting

 

Lol

 

Ah, Dutch threads.

[Macha'Anu]

Krem was not dark, Fenris is an elf. Halward You're right on that. So 2 people out of dozens...

Elves come in many colors too............ This is a silly petty complaint

[DarkAmaranth1966]

If the game were about the area I live in, I'd be upset of there were equal numbers of every color of skin in all areas and all socio economic groups. That isn't realistic to me. The lighter your skin (unless you married outside your skin color) the weathier and more prevalent people with your skin tone are in some neighborhoods, in others it's the opposite. Cashiers are more of color than not while manager are more white and, tan skins are stockers, dock workers, farm workers, etc...

 

Not good or bad, just how it is - REALITY from my perspective. Maybe it's different where you live but, to me a dark skinned noble is just not right unless it's in some other country.

 

EA/Bioware has to try to make it somewhat relatable, normal to everyone from anywhere. What's a normal town, village or city population to me might not be the same to you. To you everyone living in a country might supposed to be the same color, to me anyone living anywhere can be any color - nothing says they or their ancestors were born there.

[Lumix19]

Lol

 

Ah, Dutch threads.

I can't believe this has gotten to 10 pages...

[Gileadan]

The "diversity" in DAI is there because hair and skin colors are randomized to avoid making everyone look the same, especially Inquisition soldiers since there aren't many different models for them. Obvious exceptions are characters with a unique model like Vivienne or Ser Barris.

 

I still think it worked well enough for DAI (with a few exceptions where the RNG really screwed up and created hair/skin color combinations that made your eyes bleed) because I figured that Inquisition soldiers came from every corner of the continent.  Yeah, they still shared the same model, but it's not like that's the only corner that got cut.

[Rel Fexive]

In case people had not noticed (which it seems they have not) THEDAS IS NOT OUR WORLD. So different "rules" apply. Gadzooks.

[lynroy]

Why did we have to bring this thread back up? Why?

[Rel Fexive]

Because it's the bile that keeps on giving.

[Donk]

But it's not necro Wednesday. It's Pseudointellectual Saturday damn it!

Wait. That explains it now.

[Havyn25]

The current definition used by racists. About a century ago, only parts of Europe were "white". Two or three centuries ago we had people lamenting the rising tide of non-white immigrants from Italy and Ireland. A century ago, it was eastern Europe that was non-white. Like Russians.

 

Did people really consider people from Ireland to be non-white? That just seems so funny to me. Most Irish people are pale, with maybe a few freckles. We don't get much sun and it does rain a lot. That isn't a cliché, it does rain nearly every day. There are various hues of skintone, but mostly pale and of course emigrants of various colours and nationalities.

[thats1evildude]

Did people really consider people from Ireland to be non-white? That just seems so funny to me. Most Irish people are pale, with maybe a few freckles. We don't get much sun and it does rain a lot. That isn't a cliché, it does rain nearly every day. There are various hues of skintone, but mostly pale and of course emigrants of various colours and nationalities.

 

Still, anti-Irish sentiment was a pretty big thing.

[Deadmac]

I always found it weird that Hispanic or Latino is not considered a race by USA federal law but an ethnicity since multiple races fall in that category? Couple parts of Thedas fall into that type of description? Multiple races with a common background to fill the nation?

Hispanic and Latino are not a race.

Spain, specifically, is a European nation.
 
When it comes to race in general, I personally think there is only one. Humanity.
 
If people are separating themselves according to ethnicity and skin color, I think everyone's thought process is completely flawed.
 
You are either a human being or a political tool.
 
Regardless about what you see in the news, the reality is that most people don't care.

 

Within 'most' US cities and suburbs, most people only see human beings.

Caucasians are not at war with Blacks.
Blacks are not at war with Caucasians.

MSNBC, FOX, CBS, ABC, CNN, and many other media outlets are just using people as political pawns.

Don't buy into the hate.

[Robert Cousland]

Does anyone else find it curious that both the peoples of Ferelden and Tevinter have British accents? Ferelden I understand, with it being based, largely, on England, but I always wondered why the people of Tevinter sound largely identical.

[nightscrawl]

^ Generic fantasy accents. However, I do like that we can distinguish (most) dwarves and qunari with American accents; adds to flavor.

[midnight tea]

Does anyone else find it curious that both the peoples of Ferelden and Tevinter have British accents? Ferelden I understand, with it being based, largely, on England, but I always wondered why the people of Tevinter sound largely identical.

 

Yes, but they use different accent - received pronunciation in case of Tevinter. The "Queen's English". Its sounds more regal or official, which I'm pretty sure is supposed to underline Tevinter's.... snobbishness, I guess Plus, you know, it's an empire and Great Britain was once a pretty big empire itself....