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[Dutch's Ghost]

What does Fenris being an elf has to do with anything?

Fenris is white.

[vertigomez]

So Thedas is like the real world now? If that is the case why is Rivain(sub-Saharan Africa) so close in proximity to Ferelden(England)??

Because it's a fictional setting and they can do whatever they want with it.

Antiva is a mish-mash of Italy and Spain, and I don't see you complaining about that.

[midnight tea]

Well do you agree they are modelling thedas after the entire world instead of Europe as the lore in the beginning exhibited?

 

Hon, have you actually ever been to Europe?

 

Because a lot of people, especially nearer Mediterrean area, have darker skin. Heck, even in my country, full of folks white as a sheet and which had a lot of people of varying ethnic background wiped by Nazis during WWII there are a lot of swarthy individuals.

 

"Europe" =/= Northern Europe

 

Add to that the fact that technically Thedas is not a perfect analogue to Europe in terms of placement on the map and therefore the climate or sun exposure. Aside from the fact that Southern Thedas lies on... well... Southern part of the globe (unlike Europe, which lies on Northern hemisphere) There's an equator going through Tevinter - IRL equator goes through middle of Africa.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Because it's a fictional setting and they can do whatever they want with it.

Antiva is a mish-mash of Italy and Spain, and I don't see you complaining about that.

Where are the East Asians then? Doing whatever you want after your lore was setup in the first game is retconning.

[Shechinah]

Fenris is white.

 
Yeaaah, I have to disagree;

https://i.ytimg.com/...xresdefault.jpg

[Cyrus Amell]

Where are the East Asians then? Doing whatever you want after your lore was setup in the first game is retconning.

 

This is Bioware we are talking about. You know: the people who decided to give Qunari horns and call Sten "special" (barring the origional planning). 

 

Is there a reason to be freaking out about this? You have mentioned no line of reasoning that is neither inane or insane. 

[Biotic Apostate]

Oh look, another racism thread. Let's ignore Duncan, Vivienne, and Isabela. And Radonis, Fenris, Krem, Dorian, and Halward. Because someone decided that Thedas is based on an inaccurate view of Medieval Europe. Because something something fantasy setting.

 

I hope BW keeps adding more and more POCs

[Dutch's Ghost]

Hon, have you actually ever been to Europe?

Because a lot of people, especially nearer Mediterrean area, has darker skin. Heck, even in my country, full of folks white as a sheet and which had a lot of people of varying ethnic background wiped by Nazis during WWII there are a lot of swarthy individuals.

"Europe" =/= Northern Europe

Add to that the fact that technically Thedas is not a perfect analogue to Europe. There's an equator going through Tevinter - IRL equator goes through Africa.

Which country are you from? Also I know Tevinters aren't as white as northern Europeans but the current definition(widely-accepted) is that white = People of European origins. As stated in the OP, Darinius is dark, darker than some Indians I know.

[lynroy]

According to whom?


How is that relevant? He still has skin, you know.

Wait, wait, wait. Fenris has skin??? All this time and I had no idea!

[Dutch's Ghost]

Oh look, another racism thread. Let's ignore Duncan, Vivienne, and Isabela. And Radonis, Fenris, Krem, Dorian, and Halward. Because someone decided that Thedas is based on an inaccurate view of Medieval Europe. Because something something fantasy setting.

I hope BW keeps adding more and more POCs

What racism? Stop whining.

[Cyrus Amell]

What racism? Stop whining.

 

Will you? You have engendered no good will and have only sought to trollolol your way through this forum thread. 

[Iakus]

Because it's a fictional setting and they can do whatever they want with it.
 

You got to admit "Because It's realistic" and "Because it's a fictional setting, we can do what we want" don't mesh well.

 

Are we going for realism?  Or are we not?

[Iakus]

Oh look, another racism thread. Let's ignore Duncan, Vivienne, and Isabela. And Radonis, Fenris, Krem, Dorian, and Halward. Because someone decided that Thedas is based on an inaccurate view of Medieval Europe. Because something something fantasy setting.

 

I hope BW keeps adding more and more POCs

Duncan was half-Rivaini.  Isabella was a Marcher born of Rivaini parents, and Isabela was also Rivaini.

 

Don't see what this has to do with Tevinter

[Cyrus Amell]

You got to admit "Because It's realistic" and "Because it's a fictional setting, we can do what we want" don't mesh well.

 

Are we going for realism?  Or are we not?

 

Neither, Bioware does what it thinks interesting. Thedas is a land of magic, dwarves, elves and spirits. The representation of different peoples and characteristics makes it easier for Bioware to make more memorable characters. And after 3 games they will need more ingenuity before party members become completely and unambiguously boring. 

[Dutch's Ghost]

OK.

I gather that

Rivain = North Africa/Subsaharan Africa
Antiva = Spain/Southern Italy
Free Marches = Northern Italian States
Nevarra = Austria/Hungary(ie Central Europe)
Anderfells = Germany, Scandanvia, Netherland
Orlais = France
Ferelden = England
Tevinter Imperium = Roman Empire+Caliphate+Persian Empire+Gupta Empire or any other pre-modern Indian state

Would that be fair?

[Dutch's Ghost]

You got to admit "Because It's realistic" and "Because it's a fictional setting, we can do what we want" don't mesh well.

Are we going for realism? Or are we not?

This is where most of my confusion stems from.

[PCThug]

One day non white characters will be able to be in fictional media without someone demanding a reason for their appearance and crying about the PC police.

 

One day.

[Biotic Apostate]

Duncan was half-Rivaini.  Isabella was a Marcher born of Rivaini parents, and Isabela was also Rivaini.

 

Don't see what this has to do with Tevinter

It has to do with the OP and some subsequent posts that said Isabela was darkened in 2 and Rivain was retconned. Duncan had a mother from Rivain and a father from Tevinter, and his skin colour war pretty dark. There was no retcon.

[midnight tea]

Which country are you from? 

 

Poland (yes, the same Poland your beloved Witcher comes from. I even vaguely know a few of the artists that worked on it).

 

 

Also I know Tevinters aren't as white as northern Europeans but the current definition(widely-accepted) is that white = People of European origins. As stated in the OP, Darinius is dark, darker than some Indians I know.

 

What does it matter what is "current definition for Europeans" or how widely accepted it is? This is entirely beside the point. Tevinter or Thedas might be generally inspired by a lot of European history, culture or myths, but there's no unwritten rule about "writing fantasy vaguely inspired by Europe" = "mostly white people". Let them do what they do and make people happy that we don't have yet another generic fantasy.

 

Also - I've already pointed out that there's an equator running through Tevinter: a fact that has been confirmed by Weekes on his twitter. Equator goes through middle of Africa - where we have a lot of people with very dark skin. So I'm not sure why you're surprised that some people from Tevinter have dark skin, really... or why it's really a problem. At this point your argument is all over the place.

 

Like... you have problem with Tevinter having darker skin, when there are 2-meter horned and grey-skinned Qunari running around?

[Cyrus Amell]

 

OK.

I gather that

Rivain = North Africa/Subsaharan Africa
Antiva = Spain/Southern Italy
Free Marches = Northern Italian States
Nevarra = Austria/Hungary(ie Central Europe)
Anderfells = Germany, Scandanvia, Netherland
Orlais = France
Ferelden = England
Tevinter Imperium = Roman Empire+Caliphate+Persian Empire+Gupta Empire or any other pre-modern Indian state

Would that be fair?

 

 

Well you forgot to add the refraction of sunlight from magical deposits in the atmosphere which would make certain parts of Thedas more heavily affected by sun rays. And the size of the polar ice caps. Oh and don't forget the migration pattern of wild halla. 

[Iakus]

OK.

I gather that

Rivain = North Africa/Subsaharan Africa
Antiva = Spain/Southern Italy
Free Marches = Northern Italian States
Nevarra = Austria/Hungary(ie Central Europe)
Anderfells = Germany, Scandanvia, Netherland
Orlais = France
Ferelden = England
Tevinter Imperium = Roman Empire+Caliphate+Persian Empire+Gupta Empire or any other pre-modern Indian state

Would that be fair?

Nothing really has a 1:1 comparison.  But broadly speaking, seems to be fair enough.  Particularly since at its height, the Roman Empire did spread into Persia

[Iakus]

One day non white characters will be able to be in fictional media without someone demanding a reason for their appearance and crying about the PC police.

 

One day.

That was about ten years ago with Jade Empire 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So Thedas is like the real world now?

Thedas is like real world Europe now. 

 

If that is the case why is Rivain(sub-Saharan Africa) so close in proximity to Ferelden(England)??

Like the rest of the humans in Thedas, they immigrated from other lands. In the Rivaini people's case, they originally hail from an island chain beyond the Donarks.

 

Where did these black fereldans come from or are fereldans just a mix of skin tones too?

Again, like in the real world the people in Thedas move. Every human in Thedas hails from somewhere beyond Thedas. The only people who are native to Thedas are the Elves and Dwarves. 

[Dutch's Ghost]

It has to do with the OP and some subsequent posts that said Isabela was darkened in 2 and Rivain was retconned. Duncan had a mother from Rivain and a father from Tevinter, and his skin colour war pretty dark. There was no retcon.

Duncan looked white to me.

[vertigomez]

Wait, wait, wait. Fenris has skin??? All this time and I had no idea!

He does. He showed me his epidermis.

You got to admit "Because It's realistic" and "Because it's a fictional setting, we can do what we want" don't mesh well.

Are we going for realism? Or are we not?

Sure you can. Doing what you want with your own fictional setting = making pretend-Germany and pretend-India neighbors. Realism = people with various skintones being the product of this close proximity