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So they're swarthying the Tevinters?


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#101
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I can understand that they would want to mix things up a bit to appeal to more people, though it would be nice if there was some sort of rhyme or reason to it. (Darker skinned people coming from certain countries or regions, etc.) In DAI's Fereldan, I'd say the population is 10% black and 90% white, no historical backstory given.

Not all the "re-imagining" of the peoples of Thedas has a PC intent, however. Think of the poor elves! There's a certain irony when, as a city elf, you receive "Adaia's shoes" in the city elf oirigin only to find most elves barefoot in DA2 and DA:I. (I suppose all the elven cobblers were killed during the Exalted Marches!) In Origins, elves were basically short humans with pointy ears. They then gave them a more "bug-ish" look in DA2 and now in DA:I, they're simply more scrawny (with the exception of Sera and to a lesser degree Solas). My female Dalish elf mage looked way too much like a skinny 14-year old girl which made romances rather awkward...

As to Tevinter, one should remember it was a far-flung empire. One would expect it to have absorbed a variety of racial types rather than be overly homogenous. I was going to note the desert environment of the Western Approach and the Tevinter ruins there, though that may have been caused by some disaster if I remember correctly. Does anyone know if the next DA game is going to visit Tevinter?


I don't have a problem with diversity as long as it has rationality and reason behind it. Seeing Darinius looking very dark and like a Hindu priest in WoT was shocking because I didn't expect that.

I'd personally like to see East Asians represented and they can do it via "new people's" migrating from the far west much similar to the migrations of steppe nomadic tribes in our real world Huns, Mongols, Pechangs.
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#102
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Fan theory at best. And half of the Hinterlands is Rivaini from the looks of it.

 

We must have traveled different Hinterlands then, because the definite dominating skin color in Hinterlands/Ferelden is still white and stayed that way through all the playthroughs I've done.


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As an aside, I'm actually looking forward to making one of my Hawkes black in Inquisition the way I originally wanted to.



#104
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As an aside, I'm actually looking forward to making one of my Hawkes black in Inquisition the way I originally wanted to.


Are you black?

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Fan theory at best. And half of the Hinterlands is Rivaini from the looks of it.

What is stated in the lore multiple times is that Rivain produces a lot of pirates. And they go wherever they can by sea, which includes Ferelden. Isabela is one, and she got to both Kirkwall and Denerim.



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Are you black?

 

... What does it matter?



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... What does it matter?


Curious.

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Curious

So it by all means, doesn't matter, right?



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Dutch topic! Do we have a Witcher pull yet? 

 

If only Bioware could keep their games as white and pur- ... realistic, as CD Projekt. 


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It's pretty logical that they'd be darker though. Given that Tevinter in north of Ferelden but Ferelden is seemingly near the poles, Thedas must be in the Southern Hemisphere 
So if we assume Thedas is slightly larger than Europe then Tevinter would be in the sort of Argentina, Polynesia, area of the planet, a bit south of the Equator. 
Them being white would just be weird.



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Dutch topic! Do we have a Witcher pull yet? 

 

If only Bioware could keep their games as white and pur- ... realistic, as CD Projekt. 

 

It's one of the more bizarre Dutch threads. I still keep scratching my head wondering why exactly he'd start it, when it can only make him look bad. I think his hobby of criticizing Bioware left and right might be on its last legs. He's running out of things to nitpick.


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I don't have a problem with diversity as long as it has rationality and reason behind it. Seeing Darinius looking very dark and like a Hindu priest in WoT was shocking because I didn't expect that.

I'd personally like to see East Asians represented and they can do it via "new people's" migrating from the far west much similar to the migrations of steppe nomadic tribes in our real world Huns, Mongols, Pechangs.

 

I agree with that.  But again, Tevinter was supposed to be a vast empire, so some variety within its population should be expected.  Thinking of DAI, I would say Dorian had a medium complexion, his father a bit more swarthy, as were Felix and his father.  The weasel who tricked the Wardens into binding demons was lighter than Dorian.

 

I do like the use of accents for the different nationalities of Thedas:  French (or mock French) for Orlesians, English accent for Fereldans and Free Marchers, American/Canadian accent for dwarves, etc.  The voice actress for Cassandra has a neat accent which I can't identify?  (German maybe?)



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I do like the use of accents for the different nationalities of Thedas:  French (or mock French) for Orlesians, English accent for Fereldans and Free Marchers, American/Canadian accent for dwarves, etc.  The voice actress for Cassandra has a neat accent which I can't identify?  (German maybe?)

Miranda Raison, Cassandra's VA, said that Cassandra's accent is a fictional one she made by combining a few accents together. 


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In fairness to Dutch, pale blonde Maevaris springs to mind. Fenris's master, Hadriana, the Tevinter slavers from Origins, and that magister from the comic with Alostair's dad, also pretty pale.

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Fan theory at best. And half of the Hinterlands is Rivaini from the looks of it.

 

I count Master Dennet, his mixed race daughter and a couple of random refugees. Oh noes, the Hinterlands is being taken over by brown people!!!

 

(You also meet Mother Giselle there, but she's Orlesian, not Ferelden.)



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Im not aggravated, just shocked because I wasn't aware of how dark the Tevinters were intended to be and not portrayed in the games.

 

"Shocked" ?

 

Lmao.



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In fairness to Dutch, pale blonde Maevaris springs to mind. Fenris's master, Hadriana, the Tevinter slavers from Origins, and that magister from the comic with Alostair's dad, also pretty pale.


I don't think anyone's saying there are no or should be no pale people. Just that that's not all there is in Tevinter (or anywhere).

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It seems pretty mixed to me. Like everywhere else apparently.



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In fairness to Dutch, pale blonde Maevaris springs to mind. Fenris's master, Hadriana, the Tevinter slavers from Origins, and that magister from the comic with Alostair's dad, also pretty pale.

 

With the wide expansion of Empire during its glory days, political marriages and all the conquering and slavery it is inevitable that some of the Tevenes would be light-skinned, same way we can find people from Middle Eastern areas today that are light-skinned/haired due to slavery times during Ottoman Empire (https://en.wikipedia..._Ottoman_Empire)

 

That's not the issue though. The issue is that Dutch makes it sound as if any Tevene or Tevinter magister that is dark-skinned is somehow wrong.


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To be fair, I wish they had structured the human nations with a bit more coherence. I'm "swarthy" myself, but I don't give a **** if Fereldens or Tevinters were not.

 

Some people like to think humans are "boring" in fantasy, but they had potential here. Just like Robert E Howard's Conan//Hyborian world was full of human nations, but one of the richest settings ever. But this kind of thing doesn't help. It has nothing to do with skin color per se, but more the principle of the matter... of being hand-wavey and random in the world building. Nations and/or environments tend to have a rough visual for their identity.


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Cassandra's accent is from Fakovia, just east of Madeuptopia. It's just Miranda Raison's invention for the character.
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Read WOT v2 and looked at the artist rendition of Darinius the founder of the Imperium and he seems pretty brown. Nothing wrong with that mind you but it seems they're colouring a lot of people in thedas for PC purposes. I mean I gathered the Tevinters were similar in skintone to say Ancient Romans and Hellenes but the picture of Darinius reminded me of some very dark Hindu priest.

Really I find this disconcerting, I mean half of Ferelden is already black from the NPCS seen in the hinterlands. I'm not against colouring of the races and diversification per say but the Tevinters we saw in DA1, 2 and 3(Calpurnia) were white. Also Isabella looked like a Romani which was the opposite from what I've seen in da2.


Isn't funny how those who complain about "political correctness" are the first to bring it up?

I didn't realise being black and "PC" went hand in hand.

I seriously wish you people would p*ss off with your need to turn everything into a political or social issue. This is a game forum. You are just as bad as the political correctness you bash.
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Isn't funny how those who complain about "political correctness" are the first to bring it up?

I didn't realise being black and "PC" went hand in hand.

I seriously wish you people would p*ss off with your need to turn everything into a political or social issue. This is a game forum. You are just as bad as the political correctness you bash.

 

I somewhat agree, but this could have all been prevented with a little more coherence.


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The blacker the NPC, the sweeter the game. Embrace the ebony, Dutch.
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I somewhat agree, but this could have all been prevented with a little more coherence.

 

What exactly is incoherent there?