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[Donquijote and 59 others]

This question actually came to my mind from my interpretation of Wh.
Basically the warden decided to push her into
the mirror despite it had the possibility to finish her?
It was a plot armor?

[straykat]

Did they push her? I thought it's just a stab and she falls.

 

As for "why", it depends on my characters. Mostly though, my Wardens are dead... and technically, my Warden Commanders are Orlesian. So they let her go.

[Tidus]

The warden stabs her and she falls into the mirror.  My warden alive and well thanks to Morrigan's DR so, my warden calls it a square deal and allows her to leave. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Did they push her? I thought it's just a stab and she falls.

Yes they did if you watch carefully you will notice that the warden use one hand to push her instead to continue the attack.
The mirror was still good and operating yet the warden decided to not cross it and see the crossroads.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

My warden alive and well thanks to Morrigan's DR so, my warden calls it a square deal and allows her to leave.

That's all nice really but i didn't asked the story of your warden since i and nobody care can't you just read the Op title?

[Krypplingz]

I don't know the official reasons, I suspect they didn't want her to be 100% dead if they needed her in a sequel, but I have my headcanons. _{At least that thing where you make up a story and believe it is true and if anyone tries to tell you otherwise you staple tape their mouths shut.}

 

I figured Eylon wanted to give his son a little present to remember him by. I mean who wouldn't love their daddy who cut mommy's belly open and let you watch as she bled out in front of you? But he did not count on Kieran knowing a healing spell (damn you magical son of mine *shakes fist*) so Morrigan got to live another day. 

 

Tildren didn't really want to kill her, just to hurt her so she would fight him back instead of talking next time they met, because it's dull to kill a prey that doesn't fight back. Or maybe it was his way of saying he loved her, like how he joined with his father forever with Caladrius help.

[Yumakooma]

The Keep does specifically say "The Warden stabbed Morrigan, who fell backwards through the eluvian portal". So it would appear to be fell, not pushed.

 

As for why she didn't die, the warden needs to work on their stabbing skills I guess

[Tidus]

DF,You ask why the warden spared  Morrigan .. I told you why. If you read the action wheel it says" Kill Morrigan" not shove Morrigan into the mirror.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

The Keep does specifically say "The Warden stabbed Morrigan, who fell backwards through the eluvian portal". So it would appear to be fell, not pushed.

As for why she didn't die, the warden needs to work on their stabbing skills I guess

The Da keep is irrelevant here it's function is to report events.
The scene of the Dlc is very clear the warden push her with the other hand (the one without the weapon) then she fall.
Also the warden don't cross the mirror to see if she is dead despite such mirror is still operating and in good conditions.
Also the warden to that point of the adventure is a professional killer possibly even with an assassin spec the warden can't fail an attak against such an easy target so i believe you are right when you said that they wanted to use her again for DAI so they decided to give her a plot armor in Wh.

[GoldenGail3]

I don't think my Cousland would do that to her. He's so.... Like, dopey about her more than anything.

My Queen Cousland was clivil towards Morrigan.

Madhriel stabbed Morrigan - becuase he hated the way he left her to go sit in Ferelden with nothing to do besides for trying to find him....

[Illegitimus]

This question actually came to my mind from my interpretation of Wh.
Basically the warden decided to push her into
the mirror despite it had the possibility to finish her?
It was a plot armor?

 

I took a look at it:

 

 

You can interpret it as him pushing her into the mirror, but I don't.  He stabs her.  His off shoulder moves forward because he's pulling his sword back.  She collapses back into the mirror.  

[Donquijote and 59 others]

@Illegitimus
She is pushed into the mirror by the warden.
Also the eluvian is good and functional even after the attack.

[Illegitimus]

@Illegitimus
She is pushed into the mirror by the warden.
Also the eluvian is good and functional even after the attack.

 

Yes, you've already said that.  I looked at it.  I don't agree.  Except insofar as stabbing her applied force that knocked her backward.  

[Tidus]

Illegitimus, I fully agree.   Morrigan was indeed stab and fell into the mirror because  of the force of the jab.. Apparently it wasn't fatal since she is alive and well in DA:I.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Yes, you've already said that.  I looked at it.  I don't agree.  Except insofar as stabbing her applied force that knocked her backward.  

I looked at it and i don't agree with you as well because you are very much wrong

After the attack she tilts her body to the direction of the warden not the one of the mirror then she is pushed into the mirror by the left hand of the PC from 3:27 to 3:30   that's why she fall

 

-I noticed that you can't even answer to my second point(the eluvian still functional and ready to be used to finish her)

Illegitimus, I fully agree.   Morrigan was indeed stab and fell into the mirror because  of the force of the jab.. Apparently it wasn't fatal since she is alive and well in DA:I.

Yes and it was a plot armor again because she is pushed from 3:27 to 3:30 there is no interpretation here she is pushed by the left hand of the warden it is clear from the scene.

The attack force Morrigan to tilt her body into the direction of the warden not the one of the mirror,she fall later because the warden push her into that mirror from 3:27 to 3:30..

It is evident during the attack Morigan simply remain there for the whole time her body is not forced into the direction of the mirror until the warden push her right at 3:27

[Tidus]

Sorry,DF,I must disagree..The force of the stab cause Morrigan to fall backwards just  like running a bayonet through a enemy soldier-they fall back from the force of the stab not forward.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Sorry,DF,I must disagree..The force of the stab cause Morrigan to fall backwards just  like running a bayonet through a enemy soldier-they fall back from the force of the stab not forward.

Sorry i disagree as well because i have the proofs of the video while you have nothing not even a solid logic in your arguments.

She is stabbed not punched, a knife stab(especially a small knife) don't generate an high force of pressure it generate  a  perforation because it is not an hit of percussion like a punch but an hit of cut so what you and @Illegitimus said doesn't have any modicum of sense.

The warden use the left hand at 3:27 to push her,this is fact not an opinion.

The eluvian also is still functional even after she disappeared yet the warden didn't wanted to follow her to kill her.

[Illegitimus]

 

I looked at it and i don't agree with you as well because you are very much wrong

After the attack she tilts her body to the direction of the warden not the one of the mirror then she is pushed into the mirror by the left hand of the PC from 3:27 to 3:30   that's why she fall

 

-I noticed that you can't even answer to my second point(the eluvian still functional and ready to be used to finish her)

 

 

Of course I can't.  The incomprehensible is unanswerable.  

[straykat]

So everyone sees it as just a stab.. but the OP wants to argue about it?

 

I guess we can all be wrong, but this thought never crossed my mind.

[Aren]

So everyone sees it as just a stab.. but the OP wants to argue about it?

 

I guess we can all be wrong, but this thought never crossed my mind.

It is difficult to grasp because from the camera position you can't see the warden body but only a part of it, however  you can notice how the warden shoulder show that it was the Pc who pushed her.

This was discussed somewhere else in the forum and many noticed  the warden who pushed her simply by looking on the PC left shoulder.

http://forum.bioware...-removed/page-4

some user there like @amfortas and others noticed this.

[German Soldier]

Dunno about who animated the scene but it's pretty clear that the warden especially from that slim distance could have done greater damages to Morrigan than a simple stab and then push her on purpose on the mirror.

I think the writer just wanted her for the sequel that's why they  forced her survival ,if they didn't wanted her anymore then since this is their story(i mean the Npc are theirs)they would have allowed to the player to kill Morrigan since Redclieffe when she made the DR revelation.

[straykat]

Forget shoddy animations for a second.

 

What ultimately matters is you and your choice. To attack her, if that's your choice. You didn't make the choice to do anything more elaborate than that. You gotta keep YOURSELF in mind, even though the writers have their own direction too. I'm all for letting writers having control of their story, but don't give them all the credit.

[Akiza]

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There is something wrong with Morrigan or more likely with the ex lead writer of bioware who gave her all these plot armors because was enamoured with the character.
One of these plot armors is in the end-game of DAO where you go "I should have killed you before." and she says "Now you won't get the chance to." and just walks off RIGHT BESIDE YOU and you stand there with arms folded.

[straykat]

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There is something wrong with Morrigan or more likely with the ex lead writer of bioware who gave her all these plot armors because was enamoured with the character.
One of these plot armors is in the end-game of DAO where you go "I should have killed you before." and she says "Now you won't get the chance to." and just walks off RIGHT BESIDE YOU and you stand there with arms folded.

 

Yeah, that's pretty funny... or sad. Depending on how you view it.

 

I just finished the game last night and reminded myself not to pick that line.

[Akiza]

Yeah, that's pretty funny... or sad. Depending on how you view it.

 

I just finished the game last night and reminded myself not to pick that line.

I think the dialogue make sense if the warden see her as inherently dangerous after the revelation and  believe that she is determined enough to try to pursue the ritual even without your consent,thus only option was that dialogue which the warden ignore without obeying to the player.