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[Kabooooom]

First time I heard of that. 17 million people don't go extinct within a few decades, they'd need centuries for that (at least). A cold sweeping through the fleet would do exactly nothing. Each quarian comes seperately packaged, there is almost no vector for infections outside of suit ruptures and spoiled food.
Not once did I hear anything about their resources not being sufficient, they were certaintly tight but they were never starving or lacking fuel.

1) The Quarians have been Battlestaring it up for 300 years. Their predicament, in game, is specifically due to them being space bound and unable to survive planetside. Otherwise you'd be right about that.

2) And yet, that's how it was written. A cold killed Tali's mom. Stupid, I know. I dont write this **** so dont act like I made it up.

[DaemionMoadrin]

1) The Quarians have been Battlestaring it up for 300 years. Their predicament, in game, is specifically due to them being space bound and unable to survive planetside. Otherwise you'd be right about that.

2) And yet, that's how it was written. A cold killed Tali's mom. Stupid, I know. I dont write this **** so dont act like I made it up.

 

I still need to see a source. Tali's mom.. okay. The rest though... never heard of it before. Where did the 80 years come from? Is it in the codex? Some conversation?

[SKAR]

I can't wait for books and comics.

[Cainhurst Crow]

95% of the galaxy wasn't explored because the mass effect relays made travel super fast and easy and exploration was highly meditated and restricted by the council, for example forbidding the opening of new relays ever since the rachni incident.

They could have easily just made this story take place in an uncharted part of the galaxy. But no, we had to leave everything behind for some bs instead.

[Killroy]

95% of the galaxy wasn't explored because the mass effect relays made travel super fast and easy and exploration was highly meditated and restricted by the council, for example forbidding the opening of new relays ever since the rachni incident.

They could have easily just made this story take place in an uncharted part of the galaxy. But no, we had to leave everything behind for some bs instead.

 

The RGB wave didn't just hit charted space.

[rossler]

You're arguing against things I never said. And half of the galaxy was stranded in our solar system without access to the food/supplies they need.

 

Not half the galaxy. Maybe a couple thousand soldiers and ships.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Not half the galaxy. Maybe a couple thousand soldiers and ships.

 

Couple thousand... yeah. The Destiny Ascension alone has a crew of 10.000. Each dreadnought probably has at least 5k and cruisers at least 1k. Look how many ships were in that last battle, add the fighters... and let's not forget the millions of people still alive on Earth.

[Kabooooom]

I still need to see a source. Tali's mom.. okay. The rest though... never heard of it before. Where did the 80 years come from? Is it in the codex? Some conversation?

Not to be an *******, but almost every day I post a relatively obscure (but true) lore fact and some self-righteous person demands that they "need" a source rather than asking nicely for one. It's getting rather old. Here's an idea - google it yourself. Its all written down somewhere. Read the codex. Or read the books.

But since I'm not 100% of a dick, here's the source:

Mass Effect: Ascension. The captain of the Idenna tells Kahlee Sanders that the Migrant Fleet only has about 90 (I was wrong when I said 80, oops - my mistake) years before it is completely unsustainable, resulting, ultimately in the Quarian extinction unless a new homeworld is found. Here's a brief summary in the wiki. Read the book if you want the entire conversation, I wont copy and paste the transcript for you.

http://masseffect.wi...i/Migrant_Fleet

[Draining Dragon]

The RGB wave didn't just hit charted space.

Wasn't it transmitted through the relays? There could be a relay that was inactive or too damaged to receive the signal.

But then, Bioware would still have to represent the RGB choice if you ever left that region, so it really wouldn't make for an enjoyable game.

[Killroy]

Wasn't it transmitted through the relays? There could be a relay that was inactive or too damaged to receive the signal.

But then, Bioware would still have to represent the RGB choice if you ever left that region, so it really wouldn't make for an enjoyable game.

 

The wave spread through the entire galaxy. You see it happening.

[rossler]

Couple thousand... yeah. The Destiny Ascension alone has a crew of 10.000. Each dreadnought probably has at least 5k and cruisers at least 1k. Look how many ships were in that last battle, add the fighters... and let's not forget the millions of people still alive on Earth.

 

Okay fine, maybe a bit more than that. If you played the extended ending, Wrex, Grunt, etc who were on Earth did make it back home. No one starved to death.

 

It's not the death sentence people made it out to be.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Not to be an *******, but almost every day I post a relatively obscure (but true) lore fact and some self-righteous person demands that they "need" a source rather than asking nicely for one. It's getting rather old. Here's an idea - google it yourself. Its all written down somewhere. Read the codex. Or read the books.

But since I'm not 100% of a dick, here's the source:

Mass Effect: Ascension. The captain of the Idenna tells Kahlee Sanders that the Migrant Fleet only has about 90 (I was wrong when I said 80, oops - my mistake) years before it is completely unsustainable, resulting, ultimately in the Quarian extinction unless a new homeworld is found. Here's a brief summary in the wiki. Read the book if you want the entire conversation, I wont copy and paste the transcript for you.

http://masseffect.wi...i/Migrant_Fleet

 

You -were- asked but ignored it.

 

Quote from the Ascension summary: "He told her soberly that the Migrant Fleet was dying. Although the quarians had maintained zero population growth aboard the Flotilla quite successfully in the three centuries since their exile, their problem was the lack of spaceworthy vessels. They were unable to replace old ships as fast as they were losing them, and within ninety years, their population would be unsustainable."

That is very different from going extinct, which is what you said would happen. They'd lose ships, their population would not fit into the remaining space and then there would be trouble... but at no point would they die out. He was talking about the fleet (the ships themselves) dying, because they are too old.

 

No mention of epidemics either.

[Kabooooom]

You -were- asked but ignored it.

Quote from the Ascension summary: "He told her soberly that the Migrant Fleet was dying. Although the quarians had maintained zero population growth aboard the Flotilla quite successfully in the three centuries since their exile, their problem was the lack of spaceworthy vessels. They were unable to replace old ships as fast as they were losing them, and within ninety years, their population would be unsustainable."
That is very different from going extinct, which is what you said would happen. They'd lose ships, their population would not fit into the remaining space and then there would be trouble... but at no point would they die out. He was talking about the fleet (the ships themselves) dying, because they are too old.

No mention of epidemics either.

What do you think "our population would be unsustainable" means? Do I need to google you the definition of that now, too? Their population. Would. Be. Unsustainable. It cannot be maintained at the current level. Therefore, it would decline, ultimately, without their ships, to the inevitable when they no longer have a sufficient enough number of ships to keep the population above a critical minimum. I'm not sure if you are being obtuse because you can't admit you were incorrect, or if you really dont understand the implications of that passage. He wasn't talking about the ship population being unsustainable, he was talking about the Quarian population being unsustainable due to loss of ships. I really dont see how you could have misinterpreted that.

Granted, he says their population would decline because their ship numbers would decline. Without correction, this would eventually lead to extinction. One could argue that this would actually take longer than 90 years, and they could obtain more ships or sustain their population for some time at a lower number which would be more sustainable than the previous population size. Still, both the implication of that passage and the context of it imply otherwise. Like I said, read the book if you want the entirety of it.

And the epidemic thing, I didnt feel the need to cite the source on that because the source is Tali from Mass Effect one in classic dialogue that anyone who actually had played the games would know. And those who didnt, again, could easily google. I dont have to hold your hand through everything

[DaemionMoadrin]

What the hell do you think "our population would be unsustainable" means? Do I need to google you the definition of that now, too? Their population. Would. Be. Unsustainable. It would decline, ultimately, without their ships, to the inevitable. I'm not sure if you are being obtuse because you can't admit you were incorrect, or if you really dont understand the implications of that passage.

 

You're embarrassing yourself right now. The definition of unsustainable is "not able to be maintained at the current rate or level". So, let's say they lose a couple ships and with that have 10% less space available now, meaning that 1.7 million quarians are homeless. This could lead to all kinds of drama up to a civil war but let's assume they all die when their ships fall apart.

Now we have a new level. If that population is sustainable needs to be seen, because now they need to replace less old ships, so they might manage. Even if they don't, their decline would definitely be slower.

 

This isn't a linear progression or even a trend, people don't go extinct because there are too many of them.

[Kabooooom]

You're embarrassing yourself right now. The definition of unsustainable is "not able to be maintained at the current rate or level". So, let's say they lose a couple ships and with that have 10% less space available now, meaning that 1.7 million quarians are homeless. This could lead to all kinds of drama up to a civil war but let's assume they all die when their ships fall apart.
Now we have a new level. If that population is sustainable needs to be seen, because now they need to replace less old ships, so they might manage. Even if they don't, their decline would definitely be slower.

This isn't a linear progression or even a trend, people don't go extinct because there are too many of them.

Did you not read the rest of my post? Specifically the middle paragraph? Do that before you post next time.

Otherwise, it isnt worth arguing with you.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Did you not read the rest of my post? Specifically the middle paragraph? Do that before you post next time.

Otherwise, it isnt worth arguing with you.

 

Well, maybe write it before I respond next time? I can't help you if you edit your posts after I answered.

[Kabooooom]

Well, maybe write it before I respond next time? I can't help you if you edit your posts after I answered.

I added that paragraph well before you made that post, as I realized the first paragraph was unclear. If you didnt see it in time, then sorry for being a dick. But I kind of feel like you did and just chose to ignore it. Unless you type slower than a blind eighty year old with Parkinson's.

Nevertheless, the context of the conversation was clear. Which you would know if you read the book instead of just the wiki that I benevolently linked for you since you were too lazy to google it yourself. He was lamenting on the Quarian predicament - that their ships are failing, and their population would gradually decline to more and more unsustainable levels until they couldn't maintain a population at all anymore. Hence, the urgent need to find a new world.

[Silvery]

I am hesitant about going to Andromeda but I feel pretty good that for the most part Bioware will make it work and make a good game. Granted I would like to see and know more about that game, but that information will come out in the coming months. I think that Bioware could go back to the Milky Way by doing some type of prequel game set pre Mass Effect series. Maybe they could do a game about the First Contact War, the Krogan Rebellions or the Rachni war. I think something like that would be interesting as a spin off type deal. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

95% of the galaxy wasn't explored because the mass effect relays made travel super fast and easy and exploration was highly meditated and restricted by the council, for example forbidding the opening of new relays ever since the rachni incident.

They could have easily just made this story take place in an uncharted part of the galaxy. But no, we had to leave everything behind for some bs instead.

Over 99% actually.

[SlottsMachine]

Moving to Andromeda, I'm gonna eat me a lot peaches. 

[AlanC9]

Nevertheless, the context of the conversation was clear. Which you would know if you read the book instead of just the wiki that I benevolently linked for you since you were too lazy to google it yourself. He was lamenting on the Quarian predicament - that their ships are failing, and their population would gradually decline to more and more unsustainable levels until they couldn't maintain a population at all anymore. Hence, the urgent need to find a new world.

You can't seriously be holding him to the standard of having to read the book, can you?

And if the stuff you link doesn't actually make your case, that's on you.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I added that paragraph well before you made that post, as I realized the first paragraph was unclear. If you didnt see it in time, then sorry for being a dick. But I kind of feel like you did and just chose to ignore it. Unless you type slower than a blind eighty year old with Parkinson's.

Nevertheless, the context of the conversation was clear. Which you would know if you read the book instead of just the wiki that I benevolently linked for you since you were too lazy to google it yourself. He was lamenting on the Quarian predicament - that their ships are failing, and their population would gradually decline to more and more unsustainable levels until they couldn't maintain a population at all anymore. Hence, the urgent need to find a new world.

 

Compare the quote in my post to your edited post.

 

I responded to what was there at the time. Any changes are entirely your fault and I'm not going to argue about this.

 

Your interpretation defies common sense and logic, I don't know what I could do to make it any clearer. Again, millions of people do not go extinct that easily. The Quarians are constantly getting new ships, repairing them etc... at some point they would hit a sustainable level again. This process would take centuries and by then they might have a homeworld already anyway.

 

Let's play with math a little. Let's say the Migrant Fleet (~50.000 ships) loses 1% of its vessels each month due to accidents, age etc. (which is way higher than the 90 year prognosis suggests, but it's easier to work with), so that makes 500 ships. Let's say the Quarians manage to replace 400 ships in the same time period, then they'd reach equilibrium after 10k* ships were destroyed. At that point their population would be sustainable again, at ~13 million people.

 

*actually a lot more but I don't feel like doing a complicated calculation. The difference between start and finish are 10k, but as an ongoing process over decades it would result in many more ships lost and replaced.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Over 99% actually.

 

Almost all of it is empty, can't sustain life and has never been settled by anyone.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Almost all of it is empty, can't sustain life and has never been settled by anyone.

I know. I was just saying the lore says over 99% of the star systems aren't explored, not 95%. 

[SporkFu]

What's the difference, really, in whether we explore a part of the Milky Way Galaxy that no one has ever seen before and could have all kinds of wonderful and wacky things in it, or whether we go to a new galaxy that will have all kinds of wonderful and wacky things in it? Since the how and when and what -- other than the Mako -- and, hell even the why of our journey haven't been officially revealed yet, preemptively hating the idea seems kinda silly.