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[Malanek]

What's the difference, really, in whether we explore a part of the Milky Way Galaxy that no one has ever seen before and could have all kinds of wonderful and wacky things in it, or whether we go to a new galaxy that will have all kinds of wonderful and wacky things in it? Since the how and when and what -- other than the Mako -- and, hell even the why of our journey haven't been officially revealed yet, preemptively hating the idea seems kinda silly.

There is actually a huge difference. Anything you explore in the milky way, even if it hasn't been explored by the alliance, has presumably been explored by the reapers. Everything is also presumably subject to the effects of the crucible.

 

Edit : And in contrast in Andromeda we need an explanation of how we get there and, unless we have been there for hundreds of years before the story starts, we should have a much smaller industrial base. I feel it is a significantly different type of story.

[AlanC9]

Let's play with math a little. Let's say the Migrant Fleet (~50.000 ships) loses 1% of its vessels each month due to accidents, age etc. (which is way higher than the 90 year prognosis suggests, but it's easier to work with), so that makes 500 ships. Let's say the Quarians manage to replace 400 ships in the same time period, then they'd reach equilibrium after 10k* ships were destroyed. At that point their population would be sustainable again, at ~13 million people.

Really, we shouldn't play this game. It's not relevant to the post-ME3 world anyway. The number of ships needed to support the tiny fraction of the quarians in Sol system would be easily available. Even if the quarians' own ships fail, there are plenty of others around.

[goishen]

They would eventually go extinct.  I might go down in a submarine that was a 100 years old.  Sure as hell not flying up into space with something that's a 100 years old.  Pressures and thermodynamics do funny things to metal.  It's not just one part a ship that needs to be repaired, it's the entire damned thing.

[DaemionMoadrin]

They would eventually go extinct.

 

Everything dies eventually.

 

What's your point?

[Killroy]

Okay fine, maybe a bit more than that. If you played the extended ending, Wrex, Grunt, etc who were on Earth did make it back home. No one starved to death.

 

It's not the death sentence people made it out to be.

 

Uhhhh, what the hell do you think we're talking about? They changed how screwed everyone was with the Extended Cut. 

[AlanC9]

Did the EC change anything, or did it just kill off some bad interpretations?

[SporkFu]

There is actually a huge difference. Anything you explore in the milky way, even if it hasn't been explored by the alliance, has presumably been explored by the reapers. Everything is also presumably subject to the effects of the crucible.
 
Edit : And in contrast in Andromeda we need an explanation of how we get there and, unless we have been there for hundreds of years before the story starts, we should have a much smaller industrial base. I feel it is a significantly different type of story.

I kinda thought a different type of story was the whole point. I guess that is the why of going to Andromeda for both Bioware and us players. When you're dealing with something the size of a galaxy, though, you could easily say that this part of it wayyyyyy over here was never explored by anyone before. And it is almost exactly the same as saying, this galaxy wayyyyyy over here has never been explored by anyone from our galaxy before. The only difference is, if Bio stays in the Milky Way, then everything becomes, "well what about RGB? What happened to the reapers? Why are the geth still alive/not alive? What the hell is going on here?" ... Blech.

I'm glad Bio is taking us to Andromeda. I'm excited at the prospect of maybe exploring strange new worlds armed with only the resources we brought with us, at least to start. That's what forging alliances with the locals will be all about (I hope). And if the game has some other premise, well, to quote Garrus: I'm okay with that.

[goishen]

Everything dies eventually.

 

What's your point?

 

 

Maybe, just maybe, it's in the rest of my post.

[Sifr]

Moving to another galaxy makes sense because we've kind of tapped out the Milky Way for some kind of overwhelming main antagonistic force... not unless the Leviathans end up causing shenanigans, which probably doesn't seem all that likely given how everyone now knows of their existence and how to avoid their brand of indoctrination?

 

Actually, I'd kind of like to see the Leviathans resurface in Andromeda, since they managed to stay off the Reaper's radar longer than anyone, so some of them could have taken the opportunity to leg it during the interim between Cycles.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Maybe, just maybe, it's in the rest of my post.

 

Nope. Nothing relevant in there.

[Killroy]

Did the EC change anything, or did it just kill off some bad interpretations?

 

Yes, it changed things. That's not even up for debate.

[KaiserShep]

Did the EC change anything, or did it just kill off some bad interpretations?

 

Well, the Normandy always breaks up in its crash landing on Nowheria in the original ending, as opposed to it being intact in the new high EMS ending. 

[rossler]

Uhhhh, what the hell do you think we're talking about? They changed how screwed everyone was with the Extended Cut. 

 

I wouldn't call the Krogan rebuilding their homeworld and having babies again (see slides) being screwed.

 

They had people jumping for joy and hugging each other.

 

Sounds like everything turned out okay.

 

I think you should have another look at those slides.

[AlanC9]

Yes, it changed things. That's not even up for debate.

My bad; I should have been more specific there. Did the EC change anything important?

I don't score the Normandy being still flyable as all that important, but YMMV.

@ rossler: I think Killroy's saying that the krogan were screwed pre-EC, and are unscrewed now. I don't see the evidence for the former, though.

[Killroy]

I wouldn't call the Krogan rebuilding their homeworld and having babies again (see slides) being screwed.
They had people jumping for joy and hugging each other.
Sounds like everything turned out okay.
I think you should have another look at those slides.

My bad; I should have been more specific there. Did the EC change anything important?
I don't score the Normandy being still flyable as all that important, but YMMV.
@ rossler: I think Killroy's saying that the krogan were screwed pre-EC, and are unscrewed now. I don't see the evidence for the former, though.

Did everyone just decide "Tonight's the night we softly troll Killroy" or has everyone had strokes?

[AlanC9]

Can't speak for rossler, but when I use irony it's blatant.

[Killroy]

Can't speak for rossler, but when I use irony it's blatant.

See, now I'm just even more unsure because I didn't say anything about irony. What the **** is going on here?

[AlanC9]

My point was that I meant what I was saying. The EC changed nothing of importance.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

ME:A can be designed in just Omega base itself (it's huge you know), and be sent into middle of nowhere (among 2 galaxies). Now you have to save Omega's ass and your gang and find a way to travel into a galaxy or you'll be out of power and everything in 3 months.

 

Yeah, I provided neat ideas. Too bad I'm not paid for them.

[Killroy]

My point was that I meant what I was saying. The EC changed nothing of importance.

 

[AtreiyaN7]

For the love of God...the new game is set in Andromeda - deal with it. And no, they really, really DON'T need to set all the ME games in the Milky Way forever and ever.

[Lady Artifice]

This conversation is confusing me, but I'm drinking, so that might not mean anything. 

 

Anyway, the comparison the OP makes to Star Wars seems strange. If Star Wars moved from one Galaxy far far away, to another Galaxy far far away, I don't really understand whether there would be a huge difference. Star Wars goes from planet to planet to planet anyway, it's not like it has a single consistent landscape. If there are Jedi and lightsabers, there's Star Wars.

 

There's a lot I'll miss about the exploration in the Milky Way, as well, but if it has mass effect fields...it's Mass Effect? Mass Effect has changed it's style and story flavor so many times, I don't think I'll ever understand these hyperbolic accusations of Andromeda changing everything that supposedly made the franchise what it was. 

 

There are prospects I vaguely dread about the move to Andromeda: the possibility of a native species oppression and subjugation storyline, and a total absence of any urban landscapes. But even if those fears come true, I'll deal. If the game isn't everything I personally hope for, I'm still happier that it exists than not. There are plenty of other players who might love it. 

[SporkFu]

For the love of God...the new game is set in Andromeda - deal with it. And no, they really, really DON'T need to set all the ME games in the Milky Way forever and ever.

/thread.

[SporkFu]

This conversation is confusing me, but I'm drinking, so that might not mean anything. 
 
Anyway, the comparison the OP makes to Star Wars seems strange. If Star Wars moved from one Galaxy far far away, to another Galaxy far far away, I don't really understand whether there would be a huge difference. Star Wars goes from planet to planet to planet anyway, it's not like it has a single consistent landscape. If there are Jedi and lightsabers, there's Star Wars.
 
There's a lot I'll miss about the exploration in the Milky Way, as well, but if it has mass effect fields...it's Mass Effect? Mass Effect has changed it's style and story flavor so many times, I don't think I'll ever understand these hyperbolic accusations of Andromeda changing everything that supposedly made the franchise what it was. 
 
There are prospects I vaguely dread about the move to Andromeda: the possibility of a native species oppression and subjugation storyline, and a total absence of any urban landscapes. But even if those fears come true, I'll deal. If the game isn't everything I personally hope for, I'm still happier that it exists than not. There are plenty of other players who might love it.

It's gonna be a Star Wars/Mass Effect crossover. Star Wars takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far away, right? Andromeda is pretty far away, and maybe in our journey there we go backwards in time.

[MrFob]

It's gonna be a Star Wars/Mass Effect crossover. Star Wars takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far away, right? Andromeda is pretty far away, and maybe in our journey there we go backwards in time.

 

Isn't Andromeda actually the closest galaxy to the Milky Way?

I'll have some stern words to say to George Lucas if he lied to us all this time and it's actually "a long time ago in a galaxy really close by."

 

But I think you are onto something here. Remember who Kyle Katarn fought in the Jedi Knight games?    That's right, The Remnant! The plot thickens...