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[tesla21]

It's this a bizarro thread or something?

[SKAR]

95% of the galaxy wasn't explored because the mass effect relays made travel super fast and easy and exploration was highly meditated and restricted by the council, for example forbidding the opening of new relays ever since the rachni incident.

They could have easily just made this story take place in an uncharted part of the galaxy. But no, we had to leave everything behind for some bs instead.

Dude, we are going to a new galaxy!

[sjsharp2011]

Dude, we are going to a new galaxy!

Indeed as Cassandra Pentaghast would say "DEAL WITH IT"

[Cainhurst Crow]

The RGB wave didn't just hit charted space.

But it doesn't have to have hit all of charted space. That's the thing, you can retcon whatever you'd like. For Example, in ME2 you can destroy the collector base or preserve it. But in ME3, the novels set post Me2, and the omega comics, it's retconned that no matter what choice you made, enough of it is in tact for cerberus to utilize its technology for their weapons programs.

You could do the same here. In fact you don't need to even address the endings. Would anyone really be angry if they retconed it but kept it so that you could at least believe humans could exist in this other galaxy.

Almost all of it is empty, can't sustain life and has never been settled by anyone.

We don't know this, and its not stated that this is the case. This assumption was made for places like the Rachni's home system, and the Sol System. Because nobody was allowed to explore them.

Dude, we are going to a new galaxy!

Great! Where are we gonna go when they **** up Andromeda then? The Triangulum Galaxy?

It's such a dumb idea to set this story in Andromeda. Because what it says is that no matter how much potential something has, the teams main solution hasn't changed since mass effect 1. If there's a problem, cut it completely, and never fix the problem.

People don't like how the skill system was implemented in Me1? Cut it completely for Me2. People don't like how bad the Mako handles? Cut it completely for Me2. People don't like how weak the Hammerhead is in Me2? Cut all vehicles from Me3. People don't like how lacked the skills are in Me2? Cut it completely in Me3, just bring the old one back and nobody will notice.

Only you can't run this kind of change back. You can't run back going to a completely new galaxy. You can't just say "Me5's gonna take place in the milky way again". There's already so much space magic just to get us to Andromeda. It's ****** far away, and there were much more inventive choices. Hell, we could have just gone through all the Local Group galaxies, like Sagittarius Dwarf, or Ursa Major, Or Draco Dwarf.

Hell, look at this.



Look at how many dwarf galaxies circle the Milky way! If you're going to leave the Milky Way, you could have just had us going to all of these! Imagine a galaxy map where you travel around the milky way, and how huge the game could have been. Hell, you could literally have an expansion into another one of these satillite galaxies.

But Andromeda, despite having a cool name, doesn't have this sort of clustering, or at least not nearly as much. Added onto that, the fact that none of the speices we'll encounter will be native to Andromeda except for the bad guys, and you already can tell this game might as well have stayed in the Milky way.

Tell me something, how many new aliens have we been shown since the announce? Has the dev team said anything about us encountering new aliens?

No. How many fans here are clamoring for new alien races? Basically none. They make up about as much of this fanbase as explored space does in the Milky Way, 5% or Less.

People want the Asari in Andromeda, They want the Quarians In Andromeda, They want the Drell in Andromeda. We already have our first alien in the teaser, and it was a goddamn Krogan.

What exaclty am I seeing that's so special as to warrent this being "A New Galaxy?" Whats so new about this Galaxy that makes it different from the Milky Way? Besides a **** ton of questions and asspull magic that's never gonna get addressed? And that's talking about us getting to Andromeda alive and still recognizably human. That's not even addressing the endings, which still need to be addressed to say why there's an Arc going to the Andromeda anyway.

Where's the new content? Where's the new galaxy part of this Galaxy? Because what I'm seeing is the Milky Way, with its name crossed out, and the word "Andromeda" written in sharpie. If they're going to set this in a different galaxy, make it goddamn different. No humans. No familiar species. All new creatures. Want them to resemble humans? Fine. Make them blue humans for all I care. But don't make them straight human. And don't bring up the goddamn N7, which is something that only matters for Earth, a place we will never see in Andromeda.

If you set your game in the United States this whole time, and then said we're going to Japan. Don;t have Arizona Mesa's and Cowboys with lassos running around the game, and still try to claim its japan. Don't lie to my face and call this different, when its not different in any single way.

[Malanek]

I don't score the Normandy being still flyable as all that important, but YMMV.
 

This wasn't even a change but a clarification that it could be fixed. The differences in the starting part was only that the Normandy took more damage. It had significantly more damge in the original, it was sparking and there were burns and it looked like part had been blown away. But It still ended up in exactly the same crashed position on an unknown world. And then in the extended cut you also saw it all patched up and flying away later. The original did not say the Normandy was beyond repair. From the vibe of the music it was always implied that the normandy could be fixed.

[Fade9wayz]

Oh well, l'm set to go to the Fornax galaxy. I don't care if the devs announced we're going to Andramada. They should do as I say since it's clearly unnaceptable to either stay in the MW, or going to such a far far away galaxy with such an unarousing name. Clearly Fornax is the superior choice

[fizzypop]

Nah what they should have done is end the ME universe and move on. But they didn't so let's see what happens...

[Ieldra]

Odd to find this thread just as I was thinking that going to Andromeda - or any other galaxy rather than the MW - might be the only move that may rekindle my interest in the franchise.

 

After the end of ME3, I felt - and still feel - that I was not going to return to the place of that mess that left me feeling betrayed in several ways. A new setting far away, with as little connection to the events and places of the trilogy, that might do, though.

 

Also, Andromeda, that evokes my first encounter with the place in SF, several decades back when I was reading the Perry Rhodan series' "Meister der Insel" cycle, with an antagonist that still has a place of honor in my mind, Mirona Thetin aka Faktor I. I doubt any game will ever evoke the grandeur of that vision - the cycle has 6000 pages after all and the series is notable for being somewhat gigantomanic, which IMO worked well back then - but as far as I'm concerned, the move to Andromeda is a point in the next ME games' favor.

 

So bring it on. I still won't buy before I know the ending, but the idea has captured my attention.

 

@fizzypop:

Yes, a completely new SF setting would've been my preference as well.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But Andromeda, despite having a cool name, doesn't have this sort of clustering, or at least not nearly as much. Added onto that, the fact that none of the speices we'll encounter will be native to Andromeda except for the bad guys, and you already can tell this game might as well have stayed in the Milky way.

Tell me something, how many new aliens have we been shown since the announce? Has the dev team said anything about us encountering new aliens?

Well, Bioware during N7 2014 while showing some concept art did mention about a city they showed being of a peaceful and friendly new species and wanting the architecture to depict that. So not all the native species will be hostile. 

[Creator Limbs]

This is my favorite post on this forum now. Can I use it as my signature?

 

If you must.

 

You're assuming the entire fanbase likes or even wanted the endings to begin with. Even the people who are okay with the endings are generally just as okay with retroactively getting rid of them if that means they can have more Mass Effect stories. So, in reality, they literally can't stay in the Milky Way without pissing off an incredibly small minority of the fanbase, but that incredibly small minority has a disproportional say in what goes - and here's the kicker:
 
That disproportionally influential minority are the developers of BioWare.

 

lmao, whatever you say fam.

[sjsharp2011]

Well, Bioware during N7 2014 while showing some concept art did mention about a city they showed being of a peaceful and friendly new species and wanting the architecture to depict that. So not all the native species will be hostile. 

Indeed just because they haven't mentioned it doesn't mean it won't be there. Plus they want to hold some surprises back for when we finally get to play the game. i'm cretainly interested t osee what they come up with.

[Biotic Apostate]

I feel like we've reached peak whine. The game is being made by a new team, in an entirely new setting, but it's apparently already certain to fail, and will sink the entire franchise, because there is nowhere left to run. Can people not wait at least until the first gameplay trailer is out to announce the death of Bioware?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Well, Bioware during N7 2014 while showing some concept art did mention about a city they showed being of a peaceful and friendly new species and wanting the architecture to depict that. So not all the native species will be hostile.

But they've shown nothing though. It's been almost 2 years, and they've done nothing to even hint that that is still the case, let alone that there will be more then 2 or 3 new alien species.

I remain skeptical. Until I at least see concept art, I am not going to believe for a second that this isn't just a re-branded Milky Way.

[SporkFu]

I feel like we've reached peak whine. The game is being made by a new team, in an entirely new setting, but it's apparently already certain to fail, and will sink the entire franchise, because there is nowhere left to run. Can people not wait at least until the first gameplay trailer is out to announce the death of Bioware?

I remain an optimist, so I'd like to think things have peaked, but I don't think so.

[Creator Limbs]

I feel like we've reached peak whine. The game is being made by a new team, in an entirely new setting, but it's apparently already certain to fail, and will sink the entire franchise, because there is nowhere left to run. Can people not wait at least until the first gameplay trailer is out to announce the death of Bioware?

 

Oh dear. Dear me, no. This is not peak whine. Just wait.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I feel like we've reached peak whine. The game is being made by a new team, in an entirely new setting, but it's apparently already certain to fail, and will sink the entire franchise, because there is nowhere left to run. Can people not wait at least until the first gameplay trailer is out to announce the death of Bioware?

You sweet summer child. You've yet to see true whining. The lawsuits haven't even been filed yet. And the line has yet to be held.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I feel like we've reached peak whine. The game is being made by a new team, in an entirely new setting, but it's apparently already certain to fail, and will sink the entire franchise, because there is nowhere left to run. Can people not wait at least until the first gameplay trailer is out to announce the death of Bioware?

 

Peak whine means a new thread every 10min, each reaching a dozen pages within minutes, people typing madly and insulting each other...  and that's only the beginning. We aren't even close to that.

[Biotic Apostate]

That was the optimist in me speaking. Then again I tend to avoid the whole board dedicated to a game up to 5 months after its release, so I'll be fine I'll be too busy playing the game to follow the s**tstorm.

[Ieldra]

I feel like we've reached peak whine. The game is being made by a new team, in an entirely new setting, but it's apparently already certain to fail, and will sink the entire franchise, because there is nowhere left to run. Can people not wait at least until the first gameplay trailer is out to announce the death of Bioware?

Not to be too picky about things, but Mac Walters is the project director - one of the two guys responsible for ME3's endings. I'm with you on staying away from doomsaying, but remaining skeptical is advisable from my POV.

[Biotic Apostate]

Not to be too picky about things, but Mac Walters is the project director - one of the two guys responsible for ME3's endings. I'm with you on staying away from doomsaying, but remaining skeptical is advisable from my POV.

Then again, Casey is gone, Drew Karpyshyn is back, and they have a new team of writers. Plus with the endings being discussed literally on a daily basis, there's absolutely no possibility they have not drawn any conclusions from it. MEA at this point is a complete unknown, and drawing conclusions from the shreds of info we have right now is plain and simple overreaction. Being careful is ok, doomsaying is not. Can at least one BW game be judged based solely on its own merits, rather than conspiracy theories?

[Ieldra]

Then again, Casey is gone, Drew Karpyshyn is back, and they have a new team of writers. Plus with the endings being discussed literally on a daily basis, there's absolutely no possibility they have not drawn any conclusions from it. MEA at this point is a complete unknown, and drawing conclusions from the shreds of info we have right now is plain and simple overreaction. Being careful is ok, doomsaying is not. Can at least one BW game be judged based solely on its own merits, rather than conspiracy theories?

That usually happens once the game is out

 

I think that the prejudices of at least one of ME's lead writers - particularly about politics and science - fed into the trilogy far too much. That, and the apparent ignorance of almost every writer on the team in anything biological, in a story that deals with the nature of (intelligent) life, among other things, is inexcusable. It would be nice if they actually managed to do their research instead of riding the bandwagon of common prejudice next time, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

Anway, we'll see. Wait and see is the SOP for things like this, but I'd rather be careful than prematurely excited only to find a disaster waiting for me.

[AlanC9]

You could do the same here. In fact you don't need to even address the endings. Would anyone really be angry if they retconed it but kept it so that you could at least believe humans could exist in this other galaxy.

What are you proposing here? If you're proposing a retcon, what does another galaxy have to do with anything?

Look at how many dwarf galaxies circle the Milky way! If you're going to leave the Milky Way, you could have just had us going to all of these! Imagine a galaxy map where you travel around the milky way, and how huge the game could have been. Hell, you could literally have an expansion into another one of these satillite galaxies.But Andromeda, despite having a cool name, doesn't have this sort of clustering, or at least not nearly as much.

I can imagine that galaxy map, but I can't imagine caring that we're there rather than in Andromeda. What's the advantage of the clustering?

Added onto that, the fact that none of the speices we'll encounter will be native to Andromeda except for the bad guys, and you already can tell this game might as well have stayed in the Milky way.Tell me something, how many new aliens have we been shown since the announce? Has the dev team said anything about us encountering new aliens?

This is really silly. The devs haven't said much of anything yet. What makes you think that the only aliens will be enemies?

[Malanek]

I can imagine that galaxy map, but I can't imagine caring that we're there rather than in Andromeda. What's the advantage of the clustering?
 

Some of these other galaxies are much closer. Canis Major Dwarf is "only" 25,000 LYs from earth. Andromeda in contrast is 2,537,000 LYs from earth. If we were going to build a ship to travel between the Milky way and another galaxy, realistically it probably wouldn't be Andromeda unless there is something else that we don't know about. It's most likely Andromeda because that is the most romantic, but by making it a planned trip they now have to explain more stuff. 

[KaiserShep]

Nah what they should have done is end the ME universe and move on. But they didn't so let's see what happens...

 

 

I agree with this. I love the Mass Effect universe, but I feel like it's a bit spent. I'm looking forward to it, but a big part of me wants a totally new SF franchise from BioWare with a whole new set of lore. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Some of these other galaxies are much closer. Canis Major Dwarf is "only" 25,000 LYs from earth. Andromeda in contrast is 2,537,000 LYs from earth. If we were going to build a ship to travel between the Milky way and another galaxy, realistically it probably wouldn't be Andromeda unless there is something else that we don't know about. It's most likely Andromeda because that is the most romantic, but by making it a planned trip they now have to explain more stuff. 

Yeah, if we are to travel to another galaxy the most likely candidate would actually probably be the Large Magellanic Cloud. It's "only" 186,000 light years away and is the fourth largest galaxy in the Local Galactic Group, being beaten by Andromeda, Milky Way, and Triangulum respectively.