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[Silvery]

Look at how many dwarf galaxies circle the Milky way! If you're going to leave the Milky Way, you could have just had us going to all of these! Imagine a galaxy map where you travel around the milky way, and how huge the game could have been. Hell, you could literally have an expansion into another one of these satillite galaxies.

But Andromeda, despite having a cool name, doesn't have this sort of clustering, or at least not nearly as much. Added onto that, the fact that none of the speices we'll encounter will be native to Andromeda except for the bad guys, and you already can tell this game might as well have stayed in the Milky way.

 

Probably because Andromeda is well known to a lot more people, it is bigger and Mass Effect: Sagittarius dwarf does not sound as cool. Though I do agree with you, from a logic point it does not make that much sense. Well, I would imagine some of the Andromeda species will be friendly. Plus, they could always have a splinter group from that Ark that becomes a enemy. Or would that be to Cerberus? 

[sjsharp2011]

That was the optimist in me speaking. Then again I tend to avoid the whole board dedicated to a game up to 5 months after its release, so I'll be fine I'll be too busy playing the game to follow the s**tstorm.

As will I most likely

[AlanC9]

Some of these other galaxies are much closer. Canis Major Dwarf is "only" 25,000 LYs from earth. Andromeda in contrast is 2,537,000 LYs from earth. If we were going to build a ship to travel between the Milky way and another galaxy, realistically it probably wouldn't be Andromeda unless there is something else that we don't know about. It's most likely Andromeda because that is the most romantic, but by making it a planned trip they now have to explain more stuff.

Isn't 25,000 LY too close? Really, Andromeda itself isn't far enough away.

[Malanek]

Isn't 25,000 LY too close? Really, Andromeda itself isn't far enough away.

 

Why would Andromeda be too close? Because the Reapers can go there? That is true but then that is going to be true of anywhere. They have superior technology to the milky way races and don't have to carry a human population. If it is that easy for "us" to build a ship that can get there, then the Reapers would be able to do so much, much more easily. And if not the Reapers then god-shep or synthesis definitely would.

 

I would actually think it would be better to go to one of the multiple closer galaxies on a sub-lightspeed journey, that takes many thousands of years. That way getting there could be written into lore as being really, really hard and the writers can easily keep the technology level in the series under control. It's too easy to be able to jump between galaxies imo. If we build a device to fly there, why can't another one be built? The whole point of this seems to be to keep the galaxies separate.

[Arcian]

Isn't 25,000 LY too close? Really, Andromeda itself isn't far enough away.

25,000 LY is technically inside the galaxy. That's because the Milky Way is absorbing Canis Major Dwarf.

[Gothfather]

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Look at how many dwarf galaxies circle the Milky way! If you're going to leave the Milky Way, you could have just had us going to all of these! Imagine a galaxy map where you travel around the milky way, and how huge the game could have been. Hell, you could literally have an expansion into another one of these satillite galaxies.

But Andromeda, despite having a cool name, doesn't have this sort of clustering, or at least not nearly as much. Added onto that, the fact that none of the speices we'll encounter will be native to Andromeda except for the bad guys, and you already can tell this game might as well have stayed in the Milky way.

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How about we are going to Andromeda because it was this galaxy that told us that teh universe wasn't one galaxy but many galaxies. That the M31 Nebula was not in fact within our galaxy but outside it. That in and of itself is worth going to this location than any dwarf galaxy. Hell our understanding of the universe being more than the milky way is less than 100 years old. Andromeda has pretty fraking historical importance to this and that ALONE gives it more than enough reason for the game to include this galaxy as its destination. If Shepard and Ryder are so named in honour of Astronauts then going to Andromeda is just another way to honour the galaxy that showed us how huge our universe is.

 

So I think is has more going for it than just a cool name.

 

And by leaving this galaxy we don't have to retcon anything. Boo hoo you don't get the ending you wanted to me3 but you also don't have an ending forced upon you that you might not like.

 

It is time people grow up and get over the ME3 endings. They were disappointing. Boo hoo. So fraking what. It is over. It is done. LET it go. They are not going to redo ME3 submitted for your approval. ME:A is out side the Milky way. No whining self entitled gamer is going to change this. If you are fundamentally against this setting change then don't buy the fraking game. Stop the pity party because it is too late to change.

[SKAR]

But it doesn't have to have hit all of charted space. That's the thing, you can retcon whatever you'd like. For Example, in ME2 you can destroy the collector base or preserve it. But in ME3, the novels set post Me2, and the omega comics, it's retconned that no matter what choice you made, enough of it is in tact for cerberus to utilize its technology for their weapons programs.

You could do the same here. In fact you don't need to even address the endings. Would anyone really be angry if they retconed it but kept it so that you could at least believe humans could exist in this other galaxy.


We don't know this, and its not stated that this is the case. This assumption was made for places like the Rachni's home system, and the Sol System. Because nobody was allowed to explore them.


Great! Where are we gonna go when they **** up Andromeda then? The Triangulum Galaxy?

It's such a dumb idea to set this story in Andromeda. Because what it says is that no matter how much potential something has, the teams main solution hasn't changed since mass effect 1. If there's a problem, cut it completely, and never fix the problem.

People don't like how the skill system was implemented in Me1? Cut it completely for Me2. People don't like how bad the Mako handles? Cut it completely for Me2. People don't like how weak the Hammerhead is in Me2? Cut all vehicles from Me3. People don't like how lacked the skills are in Me2? Cut it completely in Me3, just bring the old one back and nobody will notice.

Only you can't run this kind of change back. You can't run back going to a completely new galaxy. You can't just say "Me5's gonna take place in the milky way again". There's already so much space magic just to get us to Andromeda. It's ****** far away, and there were much more inventive choices. Hell, we could have just gone through all the Local Group galaxies, like Sagittarius Dwarf, or Ursa Major, Or Draco Dwarf.

Hell, look at this.



Look at how many dwarf galaxies circle the Milky way! If you're going to leave the Milky Way, you could have just had us going to all of these! Imagine a galaxy map where you travel around the milky way, and how huge the game could have been. Hell, you could literally have an expansion into another one of these satillite galaxies.

But Andromeda, despite having a cool name, doesn't have this sort of clustering, or at least not nearly as much. Added onto that, the fact that none of the speices we'll encounter will be native to Andromeda except for the bad guys, and you already can tell this game might as well have stayed in the Milky way.

Tell me something, how many new aliens have we been shown since the announce? Has the dev team said anything about us encountering new aliens?

No. How many fans here are clamoring for new alien races? Basically none. They make up about as much of this fanbase as explored space does in the Milky Way, 5% or Less.

People want the Asari in Andromeda, They want the Quarians In Andromeda, They want the Drell in Andromeda. We already have our first alien in the teaser, and it was a goddamn Krogan.

What exaclty am I seeing that's so special as to warrent this being "A New Galaxy?" Whats so new about this Galaxy that makes it different from the Milky Way? Besides a **** ton of questions and asspull magic that's never gonna get addressed? And that's talking about us getting to Andromeda alive and still recognizably human. That's not even addressing the endings, which still need to be addressed to say why there's an Arc going to the Andromeda anyway.

Where's the new content? Where's the new galaxy part of this Galaxy? Because what I'm seeing is the Milky Way, with its name crossed out, and the word "Andromeda" written in sharpie. If they're going to set this in a different galaxy, make it goddamn different. No humans. No familiar species. All new creatures. Want them to resemble humans? Fine. Make them blue humans for all I care. But don't make them straight human. And don't bring up the goddamn N7, which is something that only matters for Earth, a place we will never see in Andromeda.

If you set your game in the United States this whole time, and then said we're going to Japan. Don;t have Arizona Mesa's and Cowboys with lassos running around the game, and still try to claim its japan. Don't lie to my face and call this different, when its not different in any single way.

I think you lost your marbles bro.

[AlanC9]

I would actually think it would be better to go to one of the multiple closer galaxies on a sub-lightspeed journey, that takes many thousands of years. That way getting there could be written into lore as being really, really hard and the writers can easily keep the technology level in the series under control. It's too easy to be able to jump between galaxies imo. If we build a device to fly there, why can't another one be built? The whole point of this seems to be to keep the galaxies separate.

But if we take millions of years to get there at sublight, won't the folks we left behind in the MW reach there long before we do?

[Cainhurst Crow]

When andromeda gets fucked over by another deus ex machina and they move on to another galaxy, leaving behind any logic or reason the series had, don't come whining to the forums about it then.

Because when people pointed out the problem with a running away from glaring plot problems approach, you didn't want them to have a say because that would make them entitled or crazy.

Andromeda will get fucked over by bad writing. They will ruin the setting by making the consequences for your choices too big to do, and they will cut and run without addressing any of your concerns.

It's just like comic books and retcons/character deaths. They used to mean something because nobody ever did it and took it back. Then DC did it with the death and return of superman. Then marvel did it. Then dc did it again. And now look at comics, where you can't go 5 years without a universe reboot and characters being retconned back to square 1 of development.

[blahblahblah]

When andromeda gets fucked over by another deus ex machina and they move on to another galaxy, leaving behind any logic or reason the series had, don't come whining to the forums about it then.

Because when people pointed out the problem with a running away from glaring plot problems approach, you didn't want them to have a say because that would make them entitled or crazy.

Andromeda will get fucked over by bad writing. They will ruin the setting by making the consequences for your choices too big to do, and they will cut and run without addressing any of your concerns.

It's just like comic books and retcons/character deaths. They used to mean something because nobody ever did it and took it back. Then DC did it with the death and return of superman. Then marvel did it. Then dc did it again. And now look at comics, where you can't go 5 years without a universe reboot and characters being retconned back to square 1 of development.

LOL, just move on man. Whining about it will never ever change it.

[Cainhurst Crow]

LOL, just move on man. Whining about it will never ever change it.

This ain't whining. This is 70% complaining,  10% bitching, and 20% doomsaying. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Based on that map, the only Galaxy that I can take seriously other than MW is Andromeda! 

 

Sagittarius Dwarf is good for a DLC mission tho! lol 

[Sifr]

If we are travelling through "conventional" means like FTL between galaxies, am I the only one who think the ARK's course should probably detour through Sagittarius Dwarf, NGC 185 and NGC 147 before it gets to Andromeda?

 

Because even assuming that we start with a ridiculously massive fuel supply, it's going to take a lot of it out of the tank in order to make the trip through the void between galaxies, so having the ARK take a pit-stop in NGC 185 and 147 to replenish would be a sensible move.

 

Even with the mass effect field making it very easy to accelerate/decelerate our ships to/from FTL speeds, getting us to the speed needed that could make an intergalactic journey feasible would probably require the engines perform an insanely long burn.

[Gothfather]

This ain't whining. This is 70% complaining,  10% bitching, and 20% doomsaying. 

No its 100% whining.

 

Bioware is aware that many people are upset about the endings. I highly doubt they will make the same writing mistake. First why would they repeat the the same story in ME:A that calls for such an ending to be repeated? Second your prediction requires predetermination which makes even less sense for game development than it does for religious dogma.

 

Your little pity party that ME3 wasn't the game you wanted doesn't magically create circumstances that give you prescient knowledge about ME:A.

 

ME:A might be a good game it might be a bad game but it will be good or bad base on its OWN merits not on the fraking bloody merits of a game's endings  released 4 years ago. Sure the sales of ME:A MIGHT be impacted by the ending of ME3 but the QUALITY of ME:A is independent of said endings. So stop acting like a spoiled brat and 'man up.'

[Cainhurst Crow]

If Mass Effect Andromeda were trying to stand on its own merits it wouldn't be called Mass Effect. It'd be Andromeda. By naming it as the 4th game in the franchise,  it is directly leeching off of the series as a means of establishing its merit as a game. They could have approached this in any number of ways, from pretending the ending didn't happen to making an alternate timeline story. Instead by making it not just a sequel but a direct sequel with a direct line back to the 3rd game through shepards message to our character,  they are throwing aside any illusion of being a fresh new start. It's a games whose very existence is flawed in why it needs to come about. 

 

And for a person who keeps throwing out how I should quit bitching and man up, you certainly have a lot of bitching you like to do about other posters. I get being annoyed at seeing opinions you don't agree with being posted. But what does it mean to be a complainer about complainers? At least there's a minute amount of legitimacy in complaining about a company and staff who influence a product. Calling me a ****** won't make the negativity train stop.

[blahblahblah]

If Mass Effect Andromeda were trying to stand on its own merits it wouldn't be called Mass Effect. It'd be Andromeda. By naming it as the 4th game in the franchise,  it is directly leeching off of the series as a means of establishing its merit as a game. They could have approached this in any number of ways, from pretending the ending didn't happen to making an alternate timeline story. Instead by making it not just a sequel but a direct sequel with a direct line back to the 3rd game through shepards message to our character,  they are throwing aside any illusion of being a fresh new start. It's a games whose very existence is flawed in why it needs to come about. 

 

And for a person who keeps throwing out how I should quit bitching and man up, you certainly have a lot of bitching you like to do about other posters. I get being annoyed at seeing opinions you don't agree with being posted. But what does it mean to be a complainer about complainers? At least there's a minute amount of legitimacy in complaining about a company and staff who influence a product. Calling me a ****** won't make the negativity train stop.

All of your whining will never erase the mess of ME3 endings. You're suggesting that Shepard's story never happened. It's just making the IT canon.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Are these the lines that usually work for you in arguments? "The endings happened" is really the best arguments you can make for Andromeda being good?

Funny. I'm willing to let the endings slide completely. It's why I don't see a point of making this post apocalyptic journey to another galaxy just to run into krogan and asari and a few quarians maybe.

The ones who want to move this to a new galaxy, imo, are the ones who wouldn't stop whining. Because they can't accept their endings not being portrayed in the games, and can't accept a story where shepards not the be all and end all of everything. They have to run away to a whole new galaxy just to accept that there can be more stories in mass effect.

XD it's actually quite funny really. Andromeda affirms all the most negative interpretations or the endings. Yet calling it out as such, and pointing out flaws in the narrative of going to another galaxy, means the person pointing it out can't accept what happened in ME3.

I'd say those who run away from their problems are the ones with acceptance issues. Not the ones who address them bluntly and to the point.

[blahblahblah]

The ones who want to move this to a new galaxy, imo, are the ones who wouldn't stop whining. Because they can't accept their endings not being portrayed in the games, and can't accept a story where shepards not the be all and end all of everything. They have to run away to a whole new galaxy just to accept that there can be more stories in mass effect.

 

It's ironic that argument is  pointed more on those who can't accept the endings. Bioware address the fact that the Milky Way after the endings is an unsalvageable mess and making a sequel on that setting is nothing but a polished turd. Unless you are a fan of IT and you are willing to accept that Shepard's story never happened because Milky Way is the only setting in Mass Effect.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Just don't be surprised when turd 2.0 ruins the Andromeda as well. Mass Effect Triangulum doesn't have a good ring but hey, anything to save an unsalvagable mess right?

What I'm honestly curious about is how anyone even trusts bioware to not screw this up. At least star wars force awakens had a director who had previous good works under their belt and got George Lucas away from the chair. But this game? One of the two responsible for how the ME3 turned out, a team whose big accomplishment was the Omega DLC, And an author whose unofficial ending had humanity become gods because of genetic destiny. And what you've basically told them is it's okay to never fix issues as long as you chsnge the setting. Maybe someone should tell that to Zack Snyder. If you want to fix the problems of Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman, just set it in Malibu California instead of metropolis. That'll fix everything.

Just tell me. What has the Mass Effect team shown or done in the last 2 years to show they've learned a damn thing from their previous mistakes? What has EA done to show it learned from its previous mismanagement?

Where is the quality assurance that's apparently so obvious to see? When the folks in charge of writing and game design leave the company in the production, where exactly is the goddamn golden sign that this game is going to be good?

[10K]

Just close your eyes and pretend the Shepard trilogy never happened, that's what I've done. But I'm interested in playing the Cerberus of Andromeda this game, we will be killing alien scum to secure humanity's future. I'm down with that.

[blahblahblah]

Just don't be surprised when turd 2.0 ruins the Andromeda as well. Mass Effect Triangulum doesn't have a good ring but hey, anything to save an unsalvagable mess right?

What I'm honestly curious about is how anyone even trusts bioware to not screw this up. At least star wars force awakens had a director who had previous good works under their belt and got George Lucas away from the chair. But this game? One of the two responsible for how the ME3 turned out, a team whose big accomplishment was the Omega DLC, And an author whose unofficial ending had humanity become gods because of genetic destiny. And what you've basically told them is it's okay to never fix issues as long as you chsnge the setting. Maybe someone should tell that to Zack Snyder. If you want to fix the problems of Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman, just set it in Malibu California instead of metropolis. That'll fix everything.

Just tell me. What has the Mass Effect team shown or done in the last 2 years to show they've learned a damn thing from their previous mistakes? What has EA done to show it learned from its previous mismanagement?

Where is the quality assurance that's apparently so obvious to see? When the folks in charge of writing and game design leave the company in the production, where exactly is the goddamn golden sign that this game is going to be good?

I will let the game tell me if they learn or not. If that is your opinion then why are you posting in this entire forum dedicated for Mass Effect: Andromeda?

[Ieldra]

Isn't 25,000 LY too close? Really, Andromeda itself isn't far enough away.

Uh.....Andromeda is about 850 kpc away. That's 2.5 million ly. At the standard cruising speed of ships in the MEU, getting there would take almost 600 years, depending on where exactly in the MW you start. Also, they'd need a tech advance since there are no star systems for drive core discharge in intergalactic space, and while cruising along with no fuel spent for thrust is possible, the ME core will need to keep running all the time or the ship will drop out of FTL.  

 

Not that 600 years isn't insignificant for such a long way, but the MEU's always had a ridiculously compressed timeline. I suspect that will continue.

[10K]

I will let the game tell me if they learn or not. If that is your opinion then why are you posting in this entire forum dedicated for Mass Effect: Andromeda?

This argument stupid. He's posting in this forum probably because he has criticisms, like everyone else here. Rather he's a fan or not he has the right to do so, and it's a ridiculous notion to think you must be an avid fan for Andromeda to post in this forum. Forums are to share thoughts about about a subject; rather you hate it or love it doesn't matter.

[Ashevajak]

Well, OP, that ship has already sailed.

Sailed right out the Milky Way.

[Ieldra]

What I'm honestly curious about is how anyone even trusts bioware to not screw this up. At least star wars force awakens had a director who had previous good works under their belt and got George Lucas away from the chair. But this game? One of the two responsible for how the ME3 turned out, a team whose big accomplishment was the Omega DLC, And an author whose unofficial ending had humanity become gods because of genetic destiny.

I certainly don't trust the ME:A team not to mess things up again, but what can I do except talk about the things I'd like to see addressed and not buy the game, if it comes to that? 

 

BTW what's this unofficial ending?