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[Cainhurst Crow]

Boredom. The team has released nothing interesting to talk about. So im stuck here. Waiting for news that'll change my mind, finding none, getting irritated, and being forced to have to talk to you people until they actually feel like bestowing a drop of their greatness from their ivory tower to the plebeans below.

I'm here because its the first place they'll probably post info, and the first place that info will be linked to if it isn't. I never turn down a pleasant surprise, and would love if they showed some ****** game footage that wasn't a slow pan montage, less then a year from it's proposed goddamn launch.

But they won't. They won't say a damned thing. So I'm stuck, dealing with you jackasses, until they finally do something or show something interesting. They haven't gotten anything out except news that their lead writer left them for bungie.

So sorry I'm not seeing a field of flowers and fairies about this game. But after having to spin my wheels here and have literally nothing to talk about this game, I can only see the negatives it offers.

I used to have something to do when the rp section and off topic was up and running at least. But then they killed those two, so now I'm stuck in general lock up.

[Ieldra]

^I guess avoiding insults is too much to expect?

[Cainhurst Crow]

I certainly don't trust the ME:A team not to mess things up again, but what can I do except talk about the things I'd like to see addressed and not buy the game, if it comes to that?

BTW what's this unofficial ending?

Here. I'll link some sites that covered it. It's bare bones, but human genetic diversity made us mary sues destined to save the galaxy, and you still had to work for the reapers.
http://www.gamewatch...ffect-3-endings

http://www.pcgamer.c...l-ending-ideas/

http://www.eurogamer...-trilogy-ending

This thread has him go into more detail about it, as well as some of the other crazy ideas for this that for better or worse, got cut or got incorporated into mass effect.
http://forum.bioware...-energy-ending/

[blahblahblah]

This argument stupid. He's posting in this forum probably because he has criticisms, like everyone else here. Rather he's a fan or not he has the right to do so, and it's a ridiculous notion to think you must be an avid fan for Andromeda to post in this forum. Forums are to share thoughts about about a subject; rather you hate it or love it doesn't matter.

It's okay to have criticisms but declaring that a game will suck because the ME3's ending is **** is stupid. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

It's pointless to argue AGAINST Andromeda in the Andromeda forum. What's BioWare to do? Change EVERYTHING?

 

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[Cainhurst Crow]

^I guess avoiding insults is too much to expect?

Pent up anger and irritations a real bastard to deal with. Sorry if I insulted you and the others here. But for 3 years I've bit my tounge on this site about this game, the team, the company, and the fandom.

Like I said, I used to have a reason not to speak my mind about this stuff. Like how would I handle a ban? If I got temp banned, how would I talk to my friends on this site? How would I write out stories in my collaborative writing groups set in the mass effect world? I couldn't inconvenience them over my opinions.

Well, they're gone now. Off topics gone and a large chunk of fun users with it. And the fan creation section made it impossible for me and my friends to write a story so now they're gone as well.

Come on this site, to these boards, to maybe see some new info. It's been a year, after all. Surely they've gotten some new info out since their previous tease. But nope, not even concept art. At least in ME1's year long wait we got to see Garrus and wonder about him. At least in Me2's wait we got to see Thane and wonder about what he was. At least in ME3 we knew what our enemies looked like so we could talk about how a war like this could go down. At least in Inquisition they were releasing gameplay footage and character concept art as well as prequel novels by now.

I'm so bored with this waiting, done with these forums set up and management, and absolutely irritated with how little there is for any of us to talk about. This is like being stuck in an elevator for 19 hours and having it called a thrilling amusement park experience. Everyone is hyping up nothing and getting mad at calling the nothing what it is, nothing.

[Ieldra]

Here. I'll link some sites that covered it. It's bare bones, but human genetic diversity made us mary sues destined to save the galaxy, and you still had to work for the reapers.
http://www.gamewatch...ffect-3-endings

http://www.pcgamer.c...l-ending-ideas/

http://www.eurogamer...-trilogy-ending

This thread has him go into more detail about it, as well as some of the other crazy ideas for this that for better or worse, got cut or got incorporated into mass effect.
http://forum.bioware...-energy-ending/

Ah, that one. I knew about it, it just didn't occur to me that it could be described in the terms you used. But yes, it pushes the "humans are special" trope up to eleven, and the scope of such a story is clearly beyond DK's abilities. Leave that for Alastair Reynolds I say. I don't know why everyone's raving about this guy. I read some of his books. They're...not good. the best you can say about him is that he's better than Mac Walters. Which isn't saying much at all. 

 

Unfortunately, the only one of the trilogy's writers I respect for writing about SF themes, rather than just for character writing, left at about the same time as DK, and he never came back. Here are some carefully voiced opinions. No wonder he left. Among other things, it clearly shows how much influence lead writers and project leads have even on the details of a game's story. Which serves to make me more skeptical about ME:A of course.

[MichaelN7]

It's very telling, seeing how passionate people are about the Mass Effect universe.

It's also very saddening seeing how cruel and sadistic some of those people can be, especially in their interactions with others on this site.

 

 

I can understand the first, since for many of us this is a big part of us.  How many of us made Shepard as an avatar of us, as if we were really there?  Fighting the Reapers, making friends and allies, giving villains the ol' one-two biotic punch!

 

People get so up-in-arms about this because they've invested so much into this series, into it's characters; they are as real as can possibly be, they speak to us, some hidden desire or unfulfilled need.

 

So I can understand the frustration of having next to nothing regarding news about the newest addition.

But many of the BioWare staff avoid these forums because of people like those mentioned in the beginning.  They feel it's toxic, demoralizing, and a soul-sucking experience to see the majority of what is posted here.

 

I stay on because I hope to contribute SOMETHING of worth, something that has real content and that doesn't feel a need to overcompensate via vitriol and cruelty, but I'm just one man.

 

Put bluntly, we wouldn't have such a communication void if we would just behave, and be nice.

[Ieldra]

People get so up-in-arms about this because they've invested so much into this series, into it's characters; they are as real as can possibly be, they speak to us, some hidden desire or unfulfilled need.

Speaking strictly for myself, ME3 destroyed that investment. I'm basically here because SF-themed crpgs are so rare that they might as well not exist at all, so you'll take any approximation for what it is. I wish someone would make an rpg set in the Orion's Arm universe.
 

Put bluntly, we wouldn't have such a communication void if we would just behave, and be nice.

I doubt that's the primary reason. The problem is rather that things can change, and if they went to talk about what's currently planned, and it gets cut down the road, people will be angry. They've learned from that not to say anything until it's set in stone, and I think that's a good policy.

As for being nice, I'm all for avoiding personal insults, but I'm tempted to say that art - written, painted, programmed or otherwise - isn't made for carefully measured responses. The fans' first reaction to ME3 was raw but authentic, and while ultimately analysis is important to find out where exactly things went wrong, that first reaction is the most impactful, the most meaningful feedback one can give.

Apart from that, this forum, unavoidably, is infested with various forms of Fan Dumb (and I've taken part in one really bad episode myself, to my chagrin). It was bad in 2012 and 2013, but things have cooled down considerably IMO.

[Gothfather]

 

If Mass Effect Andromeda were trying to stand on its own merits it wouldn't be called Mass Effect. It'd be Andromeda. By naming it as the 4th game in the franchise,  it is directly leeching off of the series as a means of establishing its merit as a game. They could have approached this in any number of ways, from pretending the ending didn't happen to making an alternate timeline story. Instead by making it not just a sequel but a direct sequel with a direct line back to the 3rd game through shepards message to our character,  they are throwing aside any illusion of being a fresh new start. It's a games whose very existence is flawed in why it needs to come about. 

 

And for a person who keeps throwing out how I should quit bitching and man up, you certainly have a lot of bitching you like to do about other posters. I get being annoyed at seeing opinions you don't agree with being posted. But what does it mean to be a complainer about complainers? At least there's a minute amount of legitimacy in complaining about a company and staff who influence a product. Calling me a ****** won't make the negativity train stop.

 

That logic makes no sense whatsoever, Star wars episode one isn't good or bad because it is part of the star wars franchise, it's quality is independent of that connection. Just because the original trilogy for star wars was fantastic doesn't magically infer upon the Phantom menace residual greatness. The Phantom menace is a bad fraking movie period. Likewise just because ME3 had a crappy ending doesn't magically make ME:A a bad game either.

 

 

Are these the lines that usually work for you in arguments? "The endings happened" is really the best arguments you can make for Andromeda being good?

Funny. I'm willing to let the endings slide completely. It's why I don't see a point of making this post apocalyptic journey to another galaxy just to run into krogan and asari and a few quarians maybe.

The ones who want to move this to a new galaxy, imo, are the ones who wouldn't stop whining. Because they can't accept their endings not being portrayed in the games, and can't accept a story where shepards not the be all and end all of everything. They have to run away to a whole new galaxy just to accept that there can be more stories in mass effect.

XD it's actually quite funny really. Andromeda affirms all the most negative interpretations or the endings. Yet calling it out as such, and pointing out flaws in the narrative of going to another galaxy, means the person pointing it out can't accept what happened in ME3.

I'd say those who run away from their problems are the ones with acceptance issues. Not the ones who address them bluntly and to the point.

 

IF you actually willing to let the endings slide you'd stop harping on them. You'd accept that moving to Andromeda is the best solution it lets them side step all the problems with the endings. And even if the endings were brilliant there would be a problem with divergent endings.

 

Imagine if you will that there were only two possible endings for ME3, Destroy and Refusal. These two endings make any subsequent game impossible without either retconning the endings or canonising a specific ending. Bioware has stated they have no intention of doing either as either option nullifies the choice that the player made for the original trilogy. You may not like that answer but it is a VALID answer. There is no possible game that could be written what works perfectly with all of humanity harvest or all the reapers destroyed, these two endings are mutually exclusive so you can't write a coherent story that works equally well with both these endings. By moving out of the Milky way they are able to side step this issue.

 

The only people who refuse to accept this are the people who can't LET IT GO. They keep hoping for Bioware to save their game. ME3's endings sucked it happens. LET it go.

 

https://youtu.be/L0MK7qz13bU?t=1m4s

[7twozero]

Don't worry op, I have an insider secret source who assures me that mass effect 1 2 & 3 are definitely staying inside the milky way

[Silcron]

Wow, Bronitarian, that's a lot you had bottled up. Erm, for the rest, I know him from years ago, back when this was Bioware Social Network from the RP groups and he's always struck me as a level headed guy.

 

I see your point of view but I am glad we are going to Andromeda. I don't consider the setting to be limited to the Milky Way, just like Star Trek wasn't limited to the Enterprise (DS9) or LotR isn't limited to Middle Earth (my favourite book is still the Silmarillion, which while focused on that continent it also has parts on the western one). They are not changing the setting per se, just making it bigger and going to a new part in it. The Milky Way isn't going to disappear, it's just going to stay there, with our RGBR (or DSCR, I guess, since the last R was for Refuse) and our headcanon.

 

They could try to fix it, or release a series of videos set post ME3 about how characters say the Milky Way is f*cked up and decide to leave instead of rebuilding, leaving all of those that disagree to work it out. It wouldn't make for the ME game they want to make, or that many would enjoy since there probably wouldn't be any combat at all, just for us to get to MEA. They're skipping that, and I don't doubt that the explanation as to how and why we get there will be stupid. Personally if the rest is good I can enjoy it, after all, I already did with ME2.

 

Personally, I can't help but be excited for MEA. I like the premise of the familiar, not just our PC but the races and tech from the Milky Way with the background we've come to know from all these years meets the big unknown that is this cluster of Andromeda. That feeling of just seeing a small part of a much bigger unknown while being so far away from home that you will likely never see it again...gives me the right kind of goosebumps.

 

This is basically what Bioware has told us about the game, based on that that is my reaction. Sure, I remain skeptical but I can see it working. Not to mention not everything is story. I really, really liked ME3 gameplay, I could see being dissapointed in MEA's story but buying it just to enjoy a campaign or an mp with its gameplay. I really, really hope that is not the case. I really hope they can deliver on an enjoyable experience. I don't need it to be perfect, just give me another ME2, something that makes me willing to ignore the problems.

[AlanC9]

Pent up anger and irritations a real bastard to deal with. Sorry if I insulted you and the others here. But for 3 years I've bit my tounge on this site about this game, the team, the company, and the fandom.

Don't worry about apologizing. You're coming across as a bit ridiculous and maybe even damaged, but I don't think you're actually going to offend anybody sane with this sort of thing.

[SKAR]

This ain't whining. This is 70% complaining, 10% bitching, and 20% doomsaying.

yeah whining.

[Vegeta 77]

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Like so many of you I was not satisfied with the ending to ME3. Not only was it a bad ending on its own but it more or less ruined the franchise. With ME and ME2 you got a definitive ending, the same wether you played as a renegade or a paragon. With ME3 you got 4 (control, destroy, synthesis and refuse) wich makes it REALLY hard for Bioware to move the franchise forward. Wich ending is canon? Do people live in a destroyed galaxy or do they live "happy" like some kind of man/machine hybrid? It's more or less impossible for Bioware to keep the franchise in the Milky Way unless they want to flat out declare one of the endings as canon and build it from there. Hence: Move the franchise to Andromeda.
This is a mistake. ME needs to stay in the Milky Way. The galaxy is just as an imprtant character in the game as Sheperd, Liara and Tali. Imagine if they made a Star Wars movie but decided to move the entire plot away from this particular galaxy far, far away and instead have it take place in a completely new galaxy with a new backstory and new characters. It just wouldn't be Star Wars. Same with Mass Effect. That we won't be able to go to places like Palaven, Tuchanka and the Citadel in this new ME just feels... wrong.
To me the only option is this: Retcon the ending of ME3. I think a lot of players/buyers would understand if Bioware explained that they had to do this in order for the franchise to stay alive. Better to change the ending than to not have any new ME games. Maybe Andromeda will be a great game but to me it won't be a ME-game. ME belongs in the Milky Way.

That is an excellent point.

[SKAR]

Like so many of you I was not satisfied with the ending to ME3. Not only was it a bad ending on its own but it more or less ruined the franchise. With ME and ME2 you got a definitive ending, the same wether you played as a renegade or a paragon. With ME3 you got 4 (control, destroy, synthesis and refuse) wich makes it REALLY hard for Bioware to move the franchise forward. Wich ending is canon? Do people live in a destroyed galaxy or do they live "happy" like some kind of man/machine hybrid? It's more or less impossible for Bioware to keep the franchise in the Milky Way unless they want to flat out declare one of the endings as canon and build it from there. Hence: Move the franchise to Andromeda.
This is a mistake. ME needs to stay in the Milky Way. The galaxy is just as an imprtant character in the game as Sheperd, Liara and Tali. Imagine if they made a Star Wars movie but decided to move the entire plot away from this particular galaxy far, far away and instead have it take place in a completely new galaxy with a new backstory and new characters. It just wouldn't be Star Wars. Same with Mass Effect. That we won't be able to go to places like Palaven, Tuchanka and the Citadel in this new ME just feels... wrong.
To me the only option is this: Retcon the ending of ME3. I think a lot of players/buyers would understand if Bioware explained that they had to do this in order for the franchise to stay alive. Better to change the ending than to not have any new ME games. Maybe Andromeda will be a great game but to me it won't be a ME-game. ME belongs in the Milky Way.

If you let a couple of endings ruin Mass Effect for you, you're a weak human being. Argue all you want I'm not gonna waste my time with some guy crying about endings that he didn't understand. Tell me this hotshot? Could you have done it better? What would your endings look like? I can guarantee they are no better than bioware's.

[Fade9wayz]

If you let a couple of endings ruin Mass Effect for you, you're a weak human being. Argue all you want I'm not gonna waste my time with some guy crying about endings that he didn't understand. Tell me this hotshot? Could you have done it better? What would your endings look like? I can guarantee they are no better than bioware's.

You know, as much as I disagree with him/her, Heimdal has the right to express him/herself. There is no need to be insulting

[AlanC9]

We're all going to have different preference orders for how to deal with the sequel..

My own order would be canonized ending>Andromeda plan>canonized IT>other retcon. However, since I recognize that my #1 choice is really hated by some of us, I don't bother pushing it.

The advantage of the Andromeda plan is that, while it's not the favorite of very many of us, very few of us outright despise the idea.

[darth_lopez]

Having a get out of jail free card that was "interesting" if nothing else and choosing to spit in an open hand makes this whole situation even better. 

 

Limbs is right.  They literally cannot stay in the Milky Way lol....We are destined for Andramada.

Not only that but future human extra galactic colonization points to Andromeda as being the only feasible move. 

 

Additionally they aren't really chucking the old races away we'll probably see them as some sort of collective Colonial Force. Or something

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not only that but future human extra galactic colonization points to Andromeda as being the only feasible move. 

No it doesn't. There are other galaxies and dwarf galaxies that are much more feasible to travel to once we get intergalactic capabilities, such as the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds.

[SNascimento]

You can't take the Milk Way back! She's gone and gone and gone.

[PinkysBrain]

They literally can't stay in the Milky Way without pissing off the entire fanbase.

 

Only the part of the fanbase invested in the ME3 endings ...

 

Canonizing destroy and moving on won't really ****** off the people who hated the ME3 ending much more than they already are. A semi retcon with a proper ending DLC with a real victory would make us happier of course, but canonizing destroy and pretending ME3 never happened works for me.

[darth_lopez]

No it doesn't. There are other galaxies and dwarf galaxies that are much more feasible to travel to once we get intergalactic capabilities, such as the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds.

 

idk popular sciences, sci-fi and the public generally tend to ignore the sattelite galaxies and focus on the Milky Way and Andromeda... Sooo I don't see why this is a problem or unbelievable.

 

 

I mean it certainly looks more impressive to go to andromeda on here than something that's simply orbiting the milky way... 

[GaroTD]

If they will manage to make this trip to Andromeda make sense I'm on board. Hopefully they had enough time to work things out.