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[Silvery]

So since it is basically assumed that we are departing for Andromeda during the reaper war as a backup plan to continue civilization, who is to say that we were the first to do so? Since the Reapers came every 50,000 years that means every species before was at about a similar technological level that the current council races are at, maybe even a bit more advanced as the Protheans seemed to be. Isn't it possible that some of the species in Andromeda could have been from the Milky Way and done the same thing we are doing. Maybe they could make it where it has been so long that there are only vague historical records from that species remembering it or that you find something where a ancient species tried and failed at colonizing Andromeda. I just had this though early in the day and found it interesting since it is not of out the total realm of possibility. 

[Navasha]

Certainly possible.  Depending on how we get there the possibility of some really odd time dilation effects could be happening too.   Say we get there and find the Remnant is a species that spread throughout Andromeda a few thousand years ago and then died out suddenly.   Well thanks to time dilation, it would be possible that civilizations in the Milky Way advanced AFTER we left, such that were able to make the trip quicker and ended up being the remnant.  

 

Lots of mind games could be played, but I don't think they would do something that would require a physicist to explain.  

[dgcatanisiri]

It's possible. One of the reasons that the cycles were encouraged was to coax technology to be on the same path. But it's not a foolproof method - a species could evolve in a non-Relay system (like the elcor did), and proceeded to take their technology in a different direction, one that let them develop something that could take them to another galaxy at some point, and then, upon encountering the Reapers or indications of them, they intended to abandon the galaxy.

 

There are a whole bunch of possibilities, and I think this would be an interesting thing to do with an antagonistic race in Andromeda - I'm reminded of Star Trek Voyager's Voth, in the episode Distant Origin. They evolved from dinosaurs, fled Earth, and eventually settled in the Delta Quadrant and developed a doctrine that said they'd always been there. There's interesting things to do with the story, I'd be up for playing it.

[Lyrandori]

Hmmm...

 

You raise a very interesting point, and possibility (never thought about it). I suppose that a few select species perhaps managed somehow to leave the Milky Way for Andromeda during one of the long-forgotten cycles. It would be fascinating to see what would be a species' reaction to the arrival of the ARK, and them learning that we're basically "refugees" from the most recent cycle. The thing is, a lot of time will be involved. By that I mean that the most recent arrival in Andromeda (from a Milky Way species) would have been of course one from the past cycle, but that's a staggering 50,000 years.

 

And, assuming that within that time period since their arrival it's possible that the actual history of what happened 50,000 years ago might be completely lost (in time), or at the very least would have been re-told and re-interpreted differently so often across thousands of generations, through the millennia, that actual "true details" of the reason of their presence in the Andromeda galaxy might simply be unknown for them, or a myth at that point. Unless they'd have kept a consistent level of "history accuracy and monitoring", and perhaps of high technology to keep that information archived and safe for 50K years (which would be absolutely amazing for any species to accomplish, save for the Reapers themselves).

 

But just for the sake of the possibility that an "Ex-Milky Way" species would end up existing, and even thriving in Andromeda, while also still knowing their origin and the entire story as to why they got there... yeah, then that would be cool just for the heck of fun story-telling to see how they would react to the arrival of the ARK in their system, or heck perhaps in their empire's territory. I'd just like to say one thing though, technically, that humans are just as much aliens in Andromeda as the original Protheans (the actual species, not the Prothean Empire as a whole) would be had they managed to leave the Milky Way to end up over there too. So considering that your question is rather broad, the answer is a definitive yes, because the aliens from the Milky Way will be us, as much as any others aboard the ARK that we took with us (Krogans, Salarians, Asari, etc).

[Sifr]

I would enjoy the reveal that one of the "native" races from Andromeda are actually ex-pats from the Milky Way as well, especially if they mock the ARK species for the arrogance of thinking they were the only ones who had the idea to leave to escape the Reapers?

[Patchwork]

Maybe the descendants of test tube prothean/asari hybrids?

 

A male asari might be possible after all

[DaemionMoadrin]

Maybe the descendants of test tube prothean/asari hybrids?

 

A male asari might be possible after all

 

Wow. Six posts before the thread collided with the nonsense iceberg again. New record, BSN.

[Arcian]

Wow. Six posts before the thread collided with the nonsense iceberg again. New record, BSN.

What were you expecting from the place that produced a dissertation about the taste of Tali's sweat?

[ZipZap2000]

Wow. Six posts before the thread collided with the nonsense iceberg again. New record, BSN.

You miss the earlier post about the race that evolved from dinosaurs and fled earth, then lied about where they were from?

Talk about skimming through the thread Daemo.

[DaemionMoadrin]

You miss the earlier post about the race that evolved from dinosaurs and fled earth, then lied about where they were from?

Talk about skimming through the thread Daemo.

 

Well, that was actually on topic.

[Silvery]

What were you expecting from the place that produced a dissertation about the taste of Tali's sweat?

 

Okay then........

[Mcfly616]

Javik was such a bad ass, I wouldn't put it past Bioware to have us arrive in Andromeda only to find that the Protheans aren't extinct, but thriving. 

 

 

Which would be awful.

[Silvery]

And, assuming that within that time period since their arrival it's possible that the actual history of what happened 50,000 years ago might be completely lost (in time), or at the very least would have been re-told and re-interpreted differently so often across thousands of generations, through the millennia, that actual "true details" of the reason of their presence in the Andromeda galaxy might simply be unknown for them, or a myth at that point. Unless they'd have kept a consistent level of "history accuracy and monitoring", and perhaps of high technology to keep that information archived and safe for 50K years (which would be absolutely amazing for any species to accomplish, save for the Reapers themselves).

 

 

Well, assuming they could have more advanced tech then us from having at least 50,000 years or long to advanced from fleeing the Milky Way. So maybe they do have good archives. Odds are it would be some kind of 'myth with most solid historical facts lost to time' type of deal like Bioware has done before in ME or DA. 

[Silvery]

Javik was such a bad ass, I wouldn't put it past Bioware to have us arrive in Andromeda only to find that the Protheans aren't extinct, but thriving. 

 

 

Which would be awful.

 

True, but it doesn't have to be the Protheans. If they were to do this it could be another species from the Milky Way that we do not know about. That way it could be new yet from the Milky Way. 

[Mysot_Stormrage]

Immediately my mind went to, "Aren't the races from the Milky Way aliens to the Andromeda Galaxy technically? WE ARE THE ALIENS. We are the douchebag British space-imperialists!" 

[Draining Dragon]

You miss the earlier post about the race that evolved from dinosaurs and fled earth, then lied about where they were from?

Talk about skimming through the thread Daemo.

Wasn't that in another thread?

And yes, OP, your suggestion seems plausible.

[Vortex13]

Of all the aliens that we know of in the Milky Way, I personally think that the Rachni would be the most likely to make the trip on their own. They have been around longer than the Protheans existed as a society, and have survived two galaxy-wide extermination campaigns; one by the Prothean empire, and the other by the Council races; and at least one prolonged harvest by the Reapers and come out on the other side (relatively) unscathed. Considering their innate aptitude with technology coupled with their biological QEC and you have the recipe for a species that can work in tandem with each other despite being separated by thousands of light years, and do it far more efficiently than any of the non-synthetic species ever could.

 

The Rachni Queen's ship mentioned in ME 1 was adrift for over two thousand years, and yet the royal egg was preserved perfectly. If the Rachni can throw something like that together in the last days of their war with the rest of the galaxy, who's to say they couldn't have sent out "seeder vessels" among the Local Group once they realized the extent of the Reaper threat? Heck, the Rachni are able to get to work right away on the Crucible; alongside all of the galaxy's best and brightest; despite being birthed by the Queen literally a few hours ago. This is a species that was able to overcome the harsh conditions of their home world with space-age level architecture before they even started thinking about interstellar travel. Etc.

 

 

 

If any species has made the journey prior to the refugees in in ME:A my money would be on the Rachni. At the very least, it would be more interesting with them than another case of: "The Protheans did it" like we had everywhere else in the ME trilogy.

[sjsharp2011]

I would enjoy the reveal that one of the "native" races from Andromeda are actually ex-pats from the Milky Way as well, especially if they mock the ARK species for the arrogance of thinking they were the only ones who had the idea to leave to escape the Reapers?

yeah it certainl yis possible but we need moer info really on the story.

[Mcfly616]

True, but it doesn't have to be the Protheans. If they were to do this it could be another species from the Milky Way that we do not know about. That way it could be new yet from the Milky Way. 

 I'd find it intriguing if the species was the Zha'til (the rogue AI threat of the Prothean cycle) or advanced synthetics from another cycle we've never heard of. I'd even like the idea more if they ended up leaving the Milky Way for reasons other than surviving the Reapers harvest. 

 

Imo I just see this scenario of an organic species having done it before, playing right into Biowares bad habit of always making every single thing more and more epic in each installment. The prospect that they may attempt to give us a hero that lives up to Shepard or an even bigger and badder antagonist than the Reapers is rather worrisome as it is. I don't need them telling me "oh, you thought the Protheans were crazy awesomely advanced? Well, this other species you've never ever heard of is even more advanced than they were. So advanced, they made the trip to Andromeda atleast a  whole cycle before the Protheans even became space-faring!"

 

See, I'm all for being someone that is in no way "special" or the first to do something. I'm aware that on the cosmic-scale, we're all rather insignificant. And I would love that reflected in my gaming experiences more often (particularly in sci-fi and fantasy settings). But with the idea of another organic species (specifically from the Milky Way) making the voyage before us, coupled with Bioware's willingness to always make the scale even more epic....it's relatable to the Death Star/Starkiller Base comparison from The Force Awakens. It's cringeworthy. And after so many times it's facepalm-worthy every time. They just end up playing-down what came before in order to build up what's current. I find it a bit cheap.

 

 

 

On a positive note, there's a condition under which I wouldn't be totally against finding out we weren't the first organic civilization to migrate to Andromeda. That condition being that the others came from a galaxy other than the Milky Way. Maybe we're not even part of the first dozen civilizations to leave their home-galaxy for Andromeda. Sort of like the revelation at the end of Contact.

 

 

All that being said, if we can do it, it's entirely possible that another organic species from a different cycle in the Milky Way could have as well. I just don't like it as a plot point/writing choice.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

i don't care as long as they arent white #killwhitepeople

[Kabooooom]

It's entirely plausible. When faced with the Reapers, there are only two possibilities: 1) fight, which is pretty stupid unless you have an ace up your sleeve or 2) hide. Under hide, is a subset category of "run and hide" vs. "stay put and hide". There aren't any other realistic options.

In two billion years of cycles, I'm sure someone else thought "hey, maybe we should like, run really really far away or something".

It'd be almost disappointing if no one from the MW made it to Andromeda before us.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Ok, serious answer.

 

First of all, no species (!) of the current cycle could have gone there before us. No, not even the Rachni. They were wiped out to extinction (twice) and only survived because of some freak chance. Do we really want to add even more implausible stuff for them?

 

Secondly, Protheans again would be lame. We'd constantly compare them with Javik... and they'd fall short, because Javik is ****** awesome.

 

So if this happened, then it happened several cycles ago, with a species we never heard of, of which we know nothing and that left nothing behind in the Milky Way.

 

What would be the point? We go to Andromeda, we meet exotic aliens. What difference does it make where those aliens originally came from? They are aliens either way. Seeing that they would have been in Andromeda for countless generations, they would have no connection to the Milky Way anymore. Or do we want some alien sage tell us the myths and legends of a blue planet, third from its sun, that used to be a holiday resort for their civilisation back in the old days? They visited with their families, because the cute monkeys there were so clever and playful.

[Silvery]

 I'd find it intriguing if the species was the Zha'til (the rogue AI threat of the Prothean cycle) or advanced synthetics from another cycle we've never heard of. I'd even like the idea more if they ended up leaving the Milky Way for reasons other than surviving the Reapers harvest. 

 

Imo I just see this scenario of an organic species having done it before, playing right into Biowares bad habit of always making every single thing more and more epic in each installment. The prospect that they may attempt to give us a hero that lives up to Shepard or an even bigger and badder antagonist than the Reapers is rather worrisome as it is. I don't need them telling me "oh, you thought the Protheans were crazy awesomely advanced? Well, this other species you've never ever heard of is even more advanced than they were. So advanced, they made the trip to Andromeda atleast a  whole cycle before the Protheans even became space-faring!"

 

See, I'm all for being someone that is in no way "special" or the first to do something. I'm aware that on the cosmic-scale, we're all rather insignificant. And I would love that reflected in my gaming experiences more often (particularly in sci-fi and fantasy settings). But with the idea of another organic species (specifically from the Milky Way) making the voyage before us, coupled with Bioware's willingness to always make the scale even more epic....it's relatable to the Death Star/Starkiller Base comparison from The Force Awakens. It's cringeworthy. And after so many times it's facepalm-worthy every time. They just end up playing-down what came before in order to build up what's current. I find it a bit cheap.

 

 

 

On a positive note, there's a condition under which I wouldn't be totally against finding out we weren't the first organic civilization to migrate to Andromeda. That condition being that the others came from a galaxy other than the Milky Way. Maybe we're not even part of the first dozen civilizations to leave their home-galaxy for Andromeda. Sort of like the revelation at the end of Contact.

 

 

All that being said, if we can do it, it's entirely possible that another organic species from a different cycle in the Milky Way could have as well. I just don't like it as a plot point/writing choice.

 

I see the point you are making and in a way agree with you. I guess depending on how they present it, it could make our purpose of going there not be as significant or set it up for too much epicness as you put it. If they do it right it could also be a really surprising reveal at some point in the game. Heck, it doesn't have to be a currently alive species. Maybe there could be a side quests line where you discover that Protheans or some other Milky Way species came to Andromeda before you but failed and were wiped out. 

[ZipZap2000]

Wasn't that in another thread?
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Yes, somebody made a thread about it.

[Mcfly616]

I see the point you are making and in a way agree with you. I guess depending on how they present it, it could make our purpose of going there not be as significant or set it up for too much epicness as you put it. If they do it right it could also be a really surprising reveal at some point in the game. Heck, it doesn't have to be a currently alive species. Maybe there could be a side quests line where you discover that Protheans or some other Milky Way species came to Andromeda before you but failed and were wiped out. 

   That would be right up my alley. Sounds like a possible evolution of some of ME1's exploration, where we find alien ruins or come across the remains of long dead explorers. I loved that. It added so much atmosphere to the setting. I don't need a long drawn out explaination as to what happened to them or how they met their fate. Some mystery is always welcome. But if we came across a data log of some sort, confirming that this species fled the Milky Way and made it to Andromeda, but ultimately met a grim end which we are left to speculate about, that'd be nice.