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[Qun00]

I will be starting the final version of my canon run in the near future, but there are many things I consider important that happen to be incompatible.

Here is the list:

- My Warden is to romance Morrigan.

- I don't want to perform the DR because having Morrigan learn to love normal!Kieran is far more meaningful.

- Alistair will remain a GW.

- Hawke will stay in the Fade as I don't want Alistair to die.

- I don't want two protagonist deaths in a row (Warden and Champion).

- I could use Loghain to have the Warden survive, but that ruins your friendship with Alistair.

- Headache imminent.

[Apo]

I just re-did my new canon world state where Alistair is king with Anora, Loghain making the US and romancing Morrigan with her having a normal Kieran.

And since my HoF is a dalish, I don't know yet if i'll make him travel with her through the eluvian or not

[Vanilka]

It might be just wishful thinking and nothing more, but I don't think it's ever been stated that the person left in the Fade is dead for sure, has it? Is there any proof? The choices tell you the person "will likely die" and the characters might later speak of the sacrifice (Sera is also unsure whether they're truly dead.), but we do not see it happen. You could argue that a walking disaster like Hawke might get out of there alive one way or another. (There's a metric f-ton of tears in the Veil at that point, too.) Personally, I thought that the fate of the person left in the Fade was deliberately left open to interpretation, so we could decide for ourselves. (Plus, off-screen deaths are lame.)

 

That's just my thoughts on the matter anyway. I leave my (mage) Hawke in the Fade especially because I think she has much better chances than Alistair does (and also because she's technically still my character, so I absolutely expect her to take one for the team no matter what).

[straykat]

Alistair -- King. Solves your problems.

 

I mean, Warden Alistair is a pretty cool choice for female/romance, but you could afford setting this aside otherwise.

 

Either way, have fun

[ArcadiaGrey]

It might be just wishful thinking and nothing more, but I don't think it's ever been stated that the person left in the Fade is dead for sure, has it? Is there any proof? The choices tell you the person "will likely die" and the characters might later speak of the sacrifice (Sera is also unsure whether they're truly dead.), but we do not see it happen. You could argue that a walking disaster like Hawke might get out of there alive one way or another. (There's a metric f-ton of tears in the Veil at that point, too.) Personally, I thought that the fate of the person left in the Fade was deliberately left open to interpretation, so we could decide for ourselves. (Plus, off-screen deaths are lame.)

 

That's just my thoughts on the matter anyway. I leave my (mage) Hawke in the Fade especially because I think she has much better chances than Alistair does (and also because she's technically still my character, so I absolutely expect her to take one for the team no matter what).

 

I remember someone saying that someone at BioWare said that they're not necessarily dead, they're just 'left in the fade'.

[straykat]

I think if anyone can get out, it's Hawke. But I wouldn't count on it.

 

Say what you will, but Hawke's a badass. Even with Fade stuff...edit: and not even a mage necessarily.

[ArcadiaGrey]

I have the same problem with my last world state, it'll be a while till I play it but I'd like him and Morrigan to walk off into the sunset together with a regular kid, not an OGB.  But it can't happen if I want Alistair to be a Grey Warden, and this is the only world of mine where he can stay a GW as I'm a big Loghain fan and keep him alive in the other 2, and have Alistair as a King to my Warden Queen in the fourth.

Damn it's complicated.

 

Is there a huge difference between the 2 versions of Kieran?  

[ArcadiaGrey]

I think if anyone can get out, it's Hawke. But I wouldn't count on it.

 

Say what you will, but Hawke's a badass. Even with Fade stuff.

 

I could see Loghain just sighing and giving up after everything he's been thru but not Hawke.  Don't mess with Hawke, it won't end well for you. 

[Qun00]

Is there a huge difference between the 2 versions of Kieran?

OG Kieran sounds more like some entity than a real kid.

Alistair -- King. Solves your problems.

I mean, Warden Alistair is a pretty cool choice for female/romance, but you could afford setting this aside otherwise.

Either way, have fun

It has less to do with what is better for the Warden and more with what is better for Alistair. But as he said himself about becoming king, you can't have everything you want...

[straykat]

OG Kieran sounds more like some entity than a real kid.


It has less to do with what is better for the Warden and more with what is better for Alistair. But as he said himself about becoming king, you can't have everything you want...

 

To quote Sten, "sometimes one's heart must be as stone."

[Vanilka]

I think if anyone can get out, it's Hawke. But I wouldn't count on it.
 
Say what you will, but Hawke's a badass. Even with Fade stuff...edit: and not even a mage necessarily.

 
I don't take anything for granted, but my thoughts exactly. 
 
Whatever issues I might have with Hawke, I do think they can pull their own weight better than most. (And since Warden Alistair is my favourite, my Hawke kind of has to, lol.)
 

[Dai Grepher]

I will be starting the final version of my canon run in the near future, but there are many things I consider important that happen to be incompatible.

Here is the list:

- My Warden is to romance Morrigan.

- I don't want to perform the DR because having Morrigan learn to love normal!Kieran is far more meaningful.

- Alistair will remain a GW.

- Hawke will stay in the Fade as I don't want Alistair to die.

- I don't want two protagonist deaths in a row (Warden and Champion).

- I could use Loghain to have the Warden survive, but that ruins your friendship with Alistair.

- Headache imminent.

Answer is simple. Have Grey Warden Alistair take the Final Blow. He dies on the Archdemon instead of the Nightmare.

Or, have Alistair become a drunk. He's better off, probably.

Or else do the Dark Ritual. Morrigan can love Kieran either way.

[vertigomez]

If Loghain dies slaying the AD, Alistair's not nearly as salty about the whole recruitment thing. Of course, he has to be King in that scenario or else he'll turn into a drunk, and then I guess a Warden in DAI... so maybe that doesn't help. With your list in mind, I think your best bet is to harden Alistair so he'll WANT to be King (if you harden Al and then waffle on the Loghain decision, bro gets VERY decisive very fast about embracing his bloodline). Then Loghain can take an AD to the face, Alistair grudgingly admits that it was the best outcome, Morrigan gets a normal baby, and Hawke and your Warden don't have to die.

Or, as others have said, you could leave Hawke in the Fade with the knowledge that if anyone can make it out alive, it's them. Then it's more like... one dead protagonist and one shrug-who-knows protagonist.

[Qun00]

Or else do the Dark Ritual. Morrigan can love Kieran either way.

It's not about the outcome. It's about sending a message...

If Loghain dies slaying the AD, Alistair's not nearly as salty about the whole recruitment thing. Of course, he has to be King in that scenario or else he'll turn into a drunk, and then I guess a Warden in DAI... so maybe that doesn't help. With your list in mind, I think your best bet is to harden Alistair so he'll WANT to be King (if you harden Al and then waffle on the Loghain decision, bro gets VERY decisive very fast about embracing his bloodline). Then Loghain can take an AD to the face, Alistair grudgingly admits that it was the best outcome, Morrigan gets a normal baby, and Hawke and your Warden don't have to die.
Or, as others have said, you could leave Hawke in the Fade with the knowledge that if anyone can make it out alive, it's them. Then it's more like... one dead protagonist and one shrug-who-knows protagonist.

It will take me a while to gather my thoughts and reach a conclusion, but thank you.

[Ghost Gal]

I always play an elf who wants to improve conditions for her people. I've had that feeling of "you can't always get what you want" jack-hammered into me since the DAO ending slides.

[Qun00]

I always play an elf who wants to improve conditions for her people. I've had that feeling of "you can't always get what you want" jack-hammered into me since the DAO ending slides.

And then you have to figure out what would be a smaller loss to you.

[GoldenGail3]

Artemis Lavellan is one of those dudes that's kind of... Well confused to say in the least about the elven people, at one corner he doesn't want them to become city elves (which they will become if they disband) but he doesn't want them to be used for their lack of knowledge. He's super confused after Trepasser, pretty much.

[Qun00]

Artemis Lavellan is one of those dudes that's kind of... Well confused to say in the least about the elven people, at one corner he doesn't want them to become city elves (which they will become if they disband) but he doesn't want them to be used for their lack of knowledge. He's super confused after Trepasser, pretty much.

And that is fine, but are you sure this isn't the wrong thread?

[Apo]

I finally did it and finished it yesterday \o/

 

Ma new canon world state with a dalish warden romacing Morrigan but refusing to do the dark ritual and letting Loghain take the final blow against the AD.

Alistair and Anora ruling together and the HoF remaining with the GW.

The Witch Hunt ending was a bittersweet ending, he did not travel with her through the Eluving even knowing that she had a normal child from him, he remains dutiful to his role as a GW to the end.

 

Some things that I headcanon :

- He secretly fell in love with Velanna because she reminded him a little about Morrigan and also because she's a dalish like him, but that didn't work because well, it's Velanna and she ends up leaving in the deep roads to search after her sister.

- Mahariel remains a GW to the end is because of 2 things : he feels a lot of regret about the 3 humans he killed in his origin story and his keeper told him that it was his duty to protect his clan (and all the other people) by becoming a GW (something that Wynne reminded him a lot)

 

Funny thing is, as I RP my HoF like this, I try to keep every damn npc alive during the game when I have to : Redcliffe, the side missions (protecting the refugees), the different allies during the last battle and finally during the assault on Amaranthine while fully upgrading the keep.

[Qun00]

The Witch Hunt ending was a bittersweet ending, he did not travel with her through the Eluving even knowing that she had a normal child from him, he remains dutiful to his role as a GW to the end.

That is the hardest part, although it is the right thing to do. Grey Wardens sever their ties with the world in order to stay fully commited. Forming a family would be unthinkable.

As for the three humans, that part is what helped me start creating my Warden's personality. Lines like "You are too soft" and "Always the careful one".

[Apo]

That is the hardest part, although it is the right thing to do. Grey Wardens sever their ties with the world in order to stay fully commited. Forming a family would be unthinkable.

 

That was really painful to accomplish, but in the end I think that it was necessary because I was tired to always try to do the perfect world state and it was boring

 

 

Aside from my main dalish warden, i'm preparing new characters, here are some thoughts about them :

- Female human mage : the good but insecure girl, romancing Alistair and being his mistress.

- Male dwarf noble : ruthless and power hungry, no romance and letting Alistair or Loghain (havent decided yet) do the US.

- Male human noble : scout boy at the start that becomes a little power hungry in the end, romancing Leliana and prince-consort to Anora. Alistair doing the US.

- Female city elf : naive and clumsy, romancing Zevran, dark ritual, Alistair GW and Anora sole ruler.

- Female dwarf commoner : the only thing that i think about is her doing the US, maybe Alistair sole ruler.

[Qun00]

What did you consider the perfect world state?

[Apo]

Alistair & Anora ruling, keeping Loghain and doing the dark ritual so everyone is alive.

Romancing Morrigan and going through the eluvian with her to raise their son, happy ending for all

[Qun00]

Well, except for Alistair.

[Apo]

I don't know what he and Anora have done between Origins and Inquisition, but they're still married so I guess that all is well and she's still hot after 10 years if they haven't any heir it's surely because of his GW blood (low fertility)