So having recently heard that one of the cut ideas from DAO was that each origin would have a nemesis pursue them through the story, I'm trying to figure out who would have taken this role. Who do you think would have been a good nemesis for each origin? Someone still present in the game or would there need to be a new character created?
Aw man, I wish they'd kept that. That would have been so cool!
(Plus it would have given some more much-needed origin content throughout the game. One common criticism of the origins is that, apart from the first hour of gameplay, it doesn't impact the rest of the game apart from occasional mentions.)
City elf: Would Vaughan have survived no matter what but been disinherited? Or would one of his cronies swear vengeance for their friend's death?
Interesting. I can't speak for other origins, but I'll bet money it would have been Arl Urien, Vaughan Kendells' father.
In a way, it's kind of set up in the origin. Urien recently left for Ostagar, so Vaughan decided to have "fun" when daddy wasn't around to tell him no. You stop Vaughan, then you go to Ostagar. In fact, if you explore dialogue options with Duncan, you learn that while Urien is more reasonable than Vaughan, he's still protective of his son and wouldn't hesitate to imprison and torture to death any elf that killed him, and that would have been you fate had Duncan not conscripted you.
I'll bet an earlier story draft had Urien survive and hold a grudge against you for killing/threatening his son (even if you didn't kill Vaughan, you still massacred his guards and threatened the bastard), so if he deserted with Loghain he could conceivably be his left hand along with or instead of Howe, and use his resources to purge the alienage in retalliation and personally try to hunt you down for hurting his little boy. Then when the "personal nemesis for each origin" idea was scrapped, they just handwaved it as, "Oh, he died at Ostagar / rumor has it Vaughan had him killed."
Is it weird that I think Soris would make a good nemesis for a CE (if he wasn't, you know, weaksauce)? He's bitter even if you didn't sell out Shianni and co., basically blaming you for the unrest in the alienage and saying that going off and being a Grey Warden means you didn't have to deal with it. Wasn't there an epilogue slide where he married a human woman and was basically shunned by everyone..?
Actually, you make a pretty good point.
Yeah, Soris gets a raw deal no matter what you do.
You give his name along with yours? You get conscripted into the Wardens while he gets tortured for a year in a dungeon. If you don't give his name? Then the alienage wants someone to blame when Howe purges the alienage and he's the only rescuer on-hand. After being literally shunned and stone for over a year (to the point that he literally cannot show his face outside without getting attacked), you turn up, save everyone, and get praised as a hero for the exact same stunt he got all the blame for.
You both saved the girls and killed Vaughan, but from where he's standing you got all the praise for saving the girls while he got all the blame for killing Vaughan. That sucks.
And yeah, I think if he doesn't get locked up then in the city elf epilogue he winds up marrying a human woman and leaving Denerim to live in Highever, where they raise their many children. In a way I can't blame him. The city elf community hasn't been very good to him in that case. Forced to marry a homely stranger because of city elf custom, and then she gets taken by slavers. He tries to save the women in his wedding party from being raped and killed, then the community shuns and stones him for a year. Then he finally meets someone whom he not only loves but chooses, and the same community that screwed him over rejects him for choosing a human. If I were in his shoes, I'd choose my beloved over them too.
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