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[Hiero Glyph]

Seriously, who decided to put this into the game?!  Scanning the each planet for resources is simply a time sink.  It adds nothing, I say again, nothing to the game.

Imagine cleaning gold balls with cotton swabs, that is about the best comparison I can make to what scanning planets entails.  Let's not forget that you only get a limited number of cotton swabs to use when cleaning each dimple and you cannot use a single swab more than once.  When you run out of your current cotton swab supply you have to drive to the nearest store and buy more, but never more than a small amount.  Also, your vehicle has the worst gas mileage ever so you need to refill it every trip as well.

The best part is that there are much, much better ways to clean golf balls so why is there not a better way to scan a planet?  I know, because it is simply a time sink and adds absolutely nothing to the gameplay.  In fact, I would go so far to say that it detracts from the overall experience.

Great game Bioware but please stop with these obvious time sinks.  If you want us to spend more time exploring star systems then include more of them, don't make me scan every single inch of the planet and then need to refill 2-3 times per system.

[PestilenceJones]

This is why I am probably not playing a second time through.

[newcomplex]

HINT: BIOWARE



next game, incorporate the same system but write about the planets geological features as the scans are received. Would make more fun :/

[crapmonster13]

Im not a huge fan of the scanning either, i actually prefer the mindless mako driving.

[Pyro_Monkey]

if I had a solid gold gold golf ball I'd do the same, individual cotton swabs for each dimple, and i'd probably drive my hummer to the store or something (I'm assuming if I had money to buy gold golf balls i'd have numerous other luxuries, hummer fits the poor gas mileage part).



Personally, i find it addicting, i sweep through the galaxy like a plague, leaving every single planet I visit stripped of all resources.

[stuman89]

crapmonster13 wrote...

Im not a huge fan of the scanning either, i actually prefer the mindless mako driving.

NO!!!!!!!!!! DONT SPEAK THAT HORRIBLE NAME!!!!!!!!

But seriously, I just remember there was one really really rocky planet in particular that was nothing but HUGE mountains (even thought every planet was nothing but huge mountains). I was trying to drive up a 75 degree mountain and I just realized that Id have to do that on every other play through after that one. I only made it through 3 play throughs because of that Mako.

Having said all that, the scanning is almost as bad. But the Mako is still worse.

[UnfortunateSon]

I love gaming, but when I am not playing video games, I spend most of my free time cleaning golf balls with cotton swabs.



Imagine my delight when Bioware finally came up with a product that catered for my two favourite pastimes in one delicious package.

[rumination888]

If you're scanning until a planet is depleted, you're doing it wrong. You only need enough resources to research all of your upgrades. Just ignore any planet that doesn't have an anomaly or isn't rich.

These mini-games were kind of fun and spiced up the game a bit on my first run. Its only on my second playthrough that I feel like banging my head against a wall whenever I do them.

Modifié par rumination888, 28 janvier 2010 - 06:52 .

[UnfortunateSon]

^^^^^



Yeah - just hit the big nodes on the rich planets - it doesn't take long to build up a stockpile.

[Magnum_666]

This is even worse on the PC, where you must sweep your mouse back and forth across your mouse pad a bazillion times. My wrist feels like it's broken.
The Mako version sucked, but at least it wasn't instant carpel tunnel, so yeah, I'd rather the Mako too, although I have to admit the mechanics of ME2's scanning IS neat. Just far, far, far too repetitive.
I don't think I'm anywhere near finishing the game, so if this isn't in game already, I request... Hmm, pretty much demand, there should be another scanner upgrade that is easily aquirable, when you have it, you just press a button and all mineral points on the planet are highlighted, or something about as easy as that.
I still don't know yet if I'll need these massive amounts of minerals I'm mining... If I do... well, I won't be doing a second playthrough either.

Modifié par Magnum_666, 28 janvier 2010 - 06:55 .

[MetallicaRulez0]

It wouldn't be nearly as bad if the scanning wasn't so painfully slow, or if you could actually tell what areas of each planet you had scanned. As is, I do this creeping serpentine motion north to south across each planet. My will to live slowly drains away as I gather resources.

[Hiero Glyph]

I understand that you do not have to deplete every single planet but there are better ways to manage resources in a game. I mean the year is 2010, not 1995, Bioware should know how to create resource management in their games by now.

They could have given each planet an elemental composition and allowed you to deply probes that would mine the planet while you explored and would acquire said elements when you came back to pick them up. They could have allowed you to then upgrade these probes with capacity or production and allow you to purchase more of them within reason. Heck, they could even let you hire freelance spacers to do the work for you and they take a % of the return.

They could have even allowed you to scan the entire planet with a single pass. Once this pass was completed it would then highlight the actual areas where you need to probe. Sure you still have to do the work but at least you are not simply wasting time scanning everywhere.

As for the probe/fuel issues well, I hate these as much as I do the new ammo counts. I wish there was a way to retrofit my weapons with heat sinks and provide me with unlimited ammo again. In a game where everything has been streamlined these things feel like steps backwards instead of an evolution. Hopefully Bioware can fix them for ME3.

Modifié par Hiero Glyph, 28 janvier 2010 - 06:58 .

[addiction21]

I was scanning and plucking nose hairs. I prefer plucking nose hairs.

[Deran2]

Magnum_666 wrote...

This is even worse on the PC, where you must sweep your mouse back and forth across your mouse pad a bazillion times. My wrist feels like it's broken.
The Mako version sucked, but at least it wasn't instant carpel tunnel, so yeah, I'd rather the Mako too, although I have to admit the mechanics of ME2's scanning IS neat. Just far, far, far too repetitive.
I don't think I'm anywhere near finishing the game, so if this isn't in game already, I request... Hmm, pretty much demand, there should be another scanner upgrade that is easily aquirable, when you have it, you just press a button and all mineral points on the planet are highlighted, or something about as easy as that.
I still don't know yet if I'll need these massive amounts of minerals I'm mining... If I do... well, I won't be doing a second playthrough either.

Use a high DPI gaming mouse, makes it much easier. Small movements produce better results. I set my mouse to 2000 DPI when scanning, makes it go much quicker.

[Gilead26]

MetallicaRulez0 wrote...

It wouldn't be nearly as bad if the scanning wasn't so painfully slow, or if you could actually tell what areas of each planet you had scanned. As is, I do this creeping serpentine motion north to south across each planet. My will to live slowly drains away as I gather resources.

if you talk to miranda you can upgrade the scanner making it less of a suckfest.

[akintu]

I'm looking at needing to acquire 200k palladium tomorrow before I can progress



Seriously, scanning is the most massive drag. I want to upgrade my weapons, but it hurts. I'm not saying I won't play the game again, but I am thoroughly dreading all the scanning I'll have to do. And the upgraded scanner is hardly an upgrade. I'm hoping so badly that we get some DLC with a scanner that sweeps faster or covers a wider swath of land. Either would dramatically help.

[Seraph666]

PestilenceJones wrote...

This is why I am probably not playing a second time through.

I second that. Don't understand why they decided they needed to ditch the planet exploration (mako), but keep the single worst aspect about it. And then on top make it an even more important part of the game.

Modifié par Seraph666, 28 janvier 2010 - 08:02 .

[CrossHex]

The planet scanning removes some replay value from the game, this we can all agree on.

[FreeKnight81]

To research every single upgrade you need the following:

eezo: 38.5k (+3750 for every respec, if you respec)

iridium: 200k

platinum: 270k (-50k if you do not upgrade medial research [which you shouldn't need to unless you're a vain Renegade])

palladium: 195k (-25k if you do not upgrade your melee attack [which you shouldn't need to unless you're a melee Vanguard or a weird Soldier])

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Breakdown:

Light Weapons

iridium: 55k for Assault Rifle, 55k for SMG

platinum: 55k for Shotgun, 55k for Sniper Rifle

palladium: 55k for Pistol



Heavy Weapons

iridium: 60k



Biotic

eezo: 11k



Tech

eezo: 11k



Medi-gel

platinum: 55k



Shields

palladium: 55k



Squad

eezo: 3k for Subject Zero, 3k for Mordin, 7.5k for Shepard bonus power, 3750 for each respec

iridium: 0k

platinum: 20k for Grunt, 20k for Legion

palladium: 55k for Shepard (-25k if you do not upgrade the melee attack damage)



Normandy

eezo: 3k

iridium: 30k

platinum: 65k (-50k if you do not upgrade medial research [which you shouldn't need to unless you're a vain Renegade])

palladium: 30k

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Hope this helps someone.

[MickeyAnarch]

It's even worse if you've got a compulsive personality and just can't stand to let even a little sliver of resources slip by. I've been using between 50-60 probes on average per planet. Even if it's just barely just a little peak on the scanner I'll grab it.

[UnfortunateSon]

MickeyAnarch wrote...

I've been using between 50-60 probes on average per planet.

Wuh? How is that even possible?

Even taking the richest planet down to depleted only took me around 15 probes...if that!

I think you may need to change your technique a little...ignore the tiny deposits and just take the significant ones - it is usually enough to get everything.

Modifié par UnfortunateSon, 28 janvier 2010 - 01:46 .

[Xerxes52]

MetallicaRulez0 wrote...

It wouldn't be nearly as bad if the scanning wasn't so painfully slow, or if you could actually tell what areas of each planet you had scanned. As is, I do this creeping serpentine motion north to south across each planet. My will to live slowly drains away as I gather resources.

Agreed. Here are my 3 suggestions:

1. The Scanner leaves a red "paint" (I can't think of a better term right now, just woke up) wherever you scan, so you know where you've been. (Or at least a color that contrasts with the planet's surface color)

2. Another upgrade to DRASTICALLY increase the speed of the scanner.

3. An upgrade to triple the scan diameter (to cover more ground).


Either that or a Hemispheric scanner that scans one half the planet and shoots probes like buckshot at all the resources

Modifié par Xerxes52, 28 janvier 2010 - 01:50 .

[T1nk3rb311]

I cheated to get the resources needed to upgrade. I was not going to waste half my playthrough on scanning planets.

[Inverness Moon]

Already completed the game once, I'm considering just cheating to get more resources. Don't want to spend time doing that again.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 28 janvier 2010 - 02:23 .