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[animedreamer]

So I was reading this article on the web, that talked about 10 potential evolutions mankind may go through in the future. In one particular part of this article the idea that all of humanity will eventually evolve to the point where race is indistinguishable was presented. ie everyone will have the same skin tone, and kind of hair, eye color. The obvious result of this would be the elimination of racial prejudice. A swell theory if nothing else, I figured since this is something of a prediction about the future, it would be great if other science fictional universes, those especially dealing with "The Future of Mankind." also embraced this idea and just removed the idea of racial characteristics from there games all together. Like with the article it removes a lot of "Why can't I be this, or have that?" or "The X people in this game always get Y, or aren't done right." complaints. 

 

Here is the article in question, The Term they used was "Mono Ethnicity". Sounds good to me.

http://listverse.com...uman-evolution/

[AlanC9]

ME isn't set far enough into the future for this to work.

[Toddler Tosser]

That would completely remove the diversity humanity is recognized for. Turn us all into Asari 2.0? No thanks.

[Killroy]

But that's stupid. Evolution doesn't work that way. As long as humans live in varied conditions, geographically and climatically, there will be racial differences. Where do you think the racial differences came from?

[Kabooooom]

We have observed phenotypic homogenization in nature for completely different reasons as well - such as domestic dog populations that revert to a more ancient phenotype after multiple generations of living in the wild. It's plausible, both when selective pressure demands it and when it doesn't - phenotypic homogenization would *probably* occur if our species continues to maintain a level of advancement that effectively eliminates geographic boundaries between populations...but it wouldn't occur in the next 200 years. Not even the next 2,000 years. And I would bet my left nut that even 20,000 years wouldn't be enough.

Change is much faster under selective pressure. When change is happening solely because previously diverse and separated populations are now interbreeding, it isn't something that happens overnight.

[ArcadiaGrey]

Interesting, but I'd assume you'd need a game set a few thousand years into the future, not less than 200.

 

I do like having different racial skin tones and features available for my Sheps.  It's easier for me to differentiate between them if one is black, one is a pale redhead and another is Asian for example.  If all the options were limited to a couple of colours and shapes then it'd get boring, not to mention the NPCs would be very very related looking.

[animedreamer]

That would completely remove the diversity humanity is recognized for. Turn us all into Asari 2.0? No thanks.

Not really Mordin specifically corrects Shepard that it has nothing to do with their looking different, but rather some deeper, such as the possibility for polar extremes or something like between brilliant and stupid, strong and weak.

[Arcian]

So I was reading this article on the web, that talked about 10 potential evolutions mankind may go through in the future. In one particular part of this article the idea that all of humanity will eventually evolve to the point where race is indistinguishable was presented. ie everyone will have the same skin tone, and kind of hair, eye color. The obvious result of this would be the elimination of racial prejudice. A swell theory if nothing else, I figured since this is something of a prediction about the future, it would be great if other science fictional universes, those especially dealing with "The Future of Mankind." also embraced this idea and just removed the idea of racial characteristics from there games all together. Like with the article it removes a lot of "Why can't I be this, or have that?" or "The X people in this game always get Y, or aren't done right." complaints. 

 

Here is the article in question, The Term they used was "Mono Ethnicity". Sounds good to me.

http://listverse.com...uman-evolution/

It's going to take a long damn time for this to happen. Way, waaaay longer than 167 years.

[Sylvius the Mad]

ME isn't set far enough into the future for this to work.

Also, I expect cosmetic customization to advance faster than genetic homogenization.

[Kabooooom]

Not really Mordin specifically corrects Shepard that it has nothing to do with their looking different, but rather some deeper, such as the possibility for polar extremes or something like between brilliant and stupid, strong and weak.

He specifically cites genetic diversity, so does Harbinger. Which is pretty stupid, considering humans are one of the most genetically homogenous populations on the planet due to a genetic bottleneck that damn near wiped us out.

And a quick google search would have told the writers this.

[animedreamer]

But that's stupid. Evolution doesn't work that way. As long as humans live in varied conditions, geographically and climatically, there will be racial differences. Where do you think the racial differences came from?

Except reproduction is faster than evolutionary changes based on situational factors. A human can see 5 or 6 generations of their line in one lifetime in the most extreme cases. Correction possibly even more. the number births within a lifespan in terms of generations could be like 7 in a long lived individual, so basically a great great grandma might live to see 4 generations of her line plus the 3 or 4 generations that came before her, that's a lot of genetic mixing going on and evolution happens over 100's of thousands of years.

[Draining Dragon]

Evolution of an entire species to such a noticeable degree does not occur over a matter of mere centuries. This really wouldn't fit into the ME setting, even assuming that the science underlying this claim is accurate.

[animedreamer]

It's going to take a long damn time for this to happen. Way, waaaay longer than 167 years.

not so sure of that.. we don't know the time scale between ME3 and Andromeda and I never put a date on the idea. Just that it was something that could be implemented at some point. Heck the idea in this article isn't that old, especially when you consider when ME1 came out, it might just have never occurred to the writers to try something like that at that point. 

[animedreamer]

Evolution of an entire species to such a noticeable degree does not occur over a matter of mere centuries. This really wouldn't fit into the ME setting, even assuming that the science underlying this claim is accurate.

I'm not entirely sure how everyone came to this conclusion that it's something that should happen immediately within the time frame of ME1-3 when we know next to nothing about what exactly is going on in terms of time frame in Andromeda. The idea is just being thrown out there, unless someone can back up Andromeda's adventure taking place within the week following the conclusion of ME3. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There is no point since the prejudices we have today are already non-existent in the Mass Effect universe. The only prejudices that still exist between humans in Mass Effect are cultural ones, like the people on Horizon who are prejudiced against those in the Alliance. All this would result in is complaints. 

[Kabooooom]

I'm not entirely sure how everyone came to this conclusion that it's something that should happen immediately within the time frame of ME1-3 when we know next to nothing about what exactly is going on in terms of time frame in Andromeda. The idea is just being thrown out there, unless someone can back up Andromeda's adventure taking place within the week following the conclusion of ME3.

Yes we do. We know we are using the M-40 Mako in Andromeda. We used the M-35 Mako in ME1 and the M-44 Hammerhead in ME2. The M-29 Grizzly had existed since 2157 and was still in use by the mid 2180s. That is pretty much irrefutable proof that the technology in Andromeda is not thousands of years set in the future from ME3.

Even if the journey to Andromeda takes millennia, the tech doesn't advance, so the population is either in cryo or something else.

Long story short, we dont know much, but we know enough that Andromeda is not some far flung futuristic Mass Effect tale.

[Nicholas_]

Sounds like clickbait

[Toddler Tosser]

Sounds like clickbait

My dear feminist slayer, it's been a long time.

[vbibbi]

The people in that article for homogenized racial appearance are way too light skinned.

 

Didn't South Park do an episode about this?

 

[Kabooooom]

The people in that article for homogenized racial appearance are way too light skinned.

Didn't South Park do an episode about this?

Terk err jeeerrrrrrrbs

[Nicholas_]

My dear feminist slayer, it's been a long time.

 

Too much gym, too much ***** now lol.

[Han Shot First]

Wouldn't colonization of space also interfere with this?

 

The population of Mars for example would be largely segregated from the population of Earth, and the vastness of space would prevent interbreeding with each other on a large scale. I would imagine that given enough time and the right environmental pressures, that might result in differences cropping up between the two populations.

[Master Warder Z_]

Wouldn't colonization of space also interfere with this?

 

The population of Mars for example would be largely segregated from the population of Earth, and the vastness of space would prevent interbreeding with each other on a large scale. I would imagine that given enough time and the right environmental pressures, that might result in differences cropping up between the two populations.

 

Just like Japan pre opening to the West.

[Kabooooom]

Wouldn't colonization of space also interfere with this?

The population of Mars for example would be largely segregated from the population of Earth, and the vastness of space would prevent interbreeding with each other on a large scale. I would imagine that given enough time and the right environmental pressures, that might result in differences cropping up between the two populations.

Pretty much. It should have a huge influence. Of course, in a fictional future like Mass Effect, the colonization of space could be viewed similarly to the colonization of different continents on Earth today. We can freely move between continents at whim quickly due to air travel, the same is true of Mass Effect and interplanetary travel. Populations are huge, but they still mix.

In real life though, space travel would have a huge consequence on this - given enough time, interstellar populations of humans should diverge to the point that they wouldn't be the same species anymore.

[Lady Artifice]

Genetic homogenization will most likely never happen as completely IRL as people often suppose, and I'd rather it didn't happen completely in ME.