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[German Soldier]

From what i grasped the GW need flying beasts to kill the archdemons more quickly

since the griffins are gone why they don't try to tame Wyverns?

They are pretty good in killing dragons

[vertigomez]

Well for starters, you'd have to find Grey Wardens willing to endure this level of humiliation.

[thats1evildude]

Wyverns don't fly. They can jump very high and apparently they can glide, but that's it.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Obviously the Wardens should have dedicated themselves to taming dragons. They fly and breath fire/lightning/ice!

 

I mean, they also hibernate for decades/centuries at a time, but I'm sure they could poke them with sticks to wake them up if a Blight started.

[Andromelek]

Female Wyverns can take the crap out of a High Dragon, problem comes when they only show such aggressive behaviour while protecting their nest, taming a Wyvern seems also to be something hard, we know only of two tamed Wyverns: Leopold and another who is an Avvar Hold Beast.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Female Wyverns can take the crap out of a High Dragon, problem comes when they only show such aggressive behaviour while protecting their nest, taming a Wyvern seems also to be something hard, we know only of two tamed Wyverns: Leopold and another who is an Avvar Hold Beast.

And Duke Prosper even says about Leopold that tamed may be too strong a word. 

[Gervaise]

Wyverns can't fly.   The main advantage of the griffons is that you can engage in aerial combat both raining death on the earthbound darkspawn and engaging the arch demon.   You need something to bring the arch demon down to ground level or something that can fly fast enough to catch up with it in the air so that a Grey Warden can get in a position to kill it.   On the ground you need something speedy and agile.   A Wyvern might be tough but it would simply be overwhelmed by large numbers of darkspawn and not able to move out of the way quickly enough.   Now apparently in Tevinter they purposely breed dracolisks as cavalry mounts and I could see these being useful in fighting darkspawn, particularly the ones that can spit poison and breath ice and fire.   The latter though apparently belong exclusively to the Archon's family.   So if the Blight was affecting Tevinter I could see them offering them to the Wardens but in the 4th Blight Tevinter was conspicuous in its refusal to offer aid outside its own borders and with the 5th Blight it was over practically before the more distant nations knew it had begun and of course we had no griffons to help us because they were thought to be extinct.

[ArcadiaGrey]

The Duke's wyvern never really seemed 'tamed' to me, more like 'drugged, trapped, and angry about it'. 

 

I'm hoping he'd have taken the chance to stomp the Duke if he got it...

[nightscrawl]

Aside from the flying thing, the griffons are not "tamed," they are partners and companions, with their own personalities and a high degree of intelligence. The Warden bonds with their griffon; Last Flight makes this very clear.

[Ahriman]

Obviously the Wardens should have dedicated themselves to taming dragons. They fly and breath fire/lightning/ice!

 

I mean, they also hibernate for decades/centuries at a time, but I'm sure they could poke them with sticks to wake them up if a Blight started.

How do you notice the Blight has begun? It starts raining stones from nearest GW citadel.

Actually it could work if they managed to breed some kind of midget dragons, which don't need to eat village a day and are easier to control.

[German Soldier]

Obviously the Wardens should have dedicated themselves to taming dragons. They fly and breath fire/lightning/ice!

 

I mean, they also hibernate for decades/centuries at a time, but I'm sure they could poke them with sticks to wake them up if a Blight started.

I don't get the sarcasm here.

Wyvern can be tamed and female wyvern are powerful and loyal creatures when they are tamed and trained

Dragons can't be tamed without forgotten ancient magic of Evanuris so i really didn't understood your joke.

[German Soldier]

Wyverns can't fly.   The main advantage of the griffons is that you can engage in aerial combat both raining death on the earthbound darkspawn and engaging the arch demon.   You need something to bring the arch demon down to ground level or something that can fly fast enough to catch up with it in the air so that a Grey Warden can get in a position to kill it.   On the ground you need something speedy and agile.   A Wyvern might be tough but it would simply be overwhelmed by large numbers of darkspawn and not able to move out of the way quickly enough.   Now apparently in Tevinter they purposely breed dracolisks as cavalry mounts and I could see these being useful in fighting darkspawn, particularly the ones that can spit poison and breath ice and fire.   The latter though apparently belong exclusively to the Archon's family.   So if the Blight was affecting Tevinter I could see them offering them to the Wardens but in the 4th Blight Tevinter was conspicuous in its refusal to offer aid outside its own borders and with the 5th Blight it was over practically before the more distant nations knew it had begun and of course we had no griffons to help us because they were thought to be extinct.

Wyverns are fast and perform extraordinary jumps,their strength is greater than Griffins and their poison is lethal and can reach high distances,they can even hit a flying archdemon with their poison because is like a long ranged weapon,they can use poison griffins can only fly.

Wyverns are the nemesis of high dragons so they are far more useful against dragons than griffins,if they can kill an high dragon they can do the same with an archdemon.

[German Soldier]

And Duke Prosper even says about Leopold that tamed may be too strong a word. 

yea in fact Leopold was more of a friend for the Duke.

[IllustriousT]

Speaking of Wyverns? Has anyone else noticed that it is pronounced strangely in DA? In other fictional works, I have always heard it pronounced "why-vern" and not "wivern." This might be just be a regional thing that I am unaware of. 

[Andromelek]

Speaking of Wyverns? Has anyone else noticed that it is pronounced strangely in DA? In other fictional works, I have always heard it pronounced "why-vern" and not "wivern." This might be just be a regional thing that I am unaware of.

Maybe that's because we often hear Orlesians using the word?

[IllustriousT]

Maybe that's because we often hear Orlesians using the word?

 

That's possible.

 

The first time I remember hearing it was when the you acquire the side quest "Wyrm Hole" from Judith in Crestwood. Crestwood is in Fereldan, but that does not to assume that Judith is Fereldan, but I kind of did. Yet, the possibility remains that she picked up the pronunciation from an Orlesian.

 

The next time I remember hearing it is from Vivienne, when she tasks you with her personal quest. Clearly, she is influenced by Orlesian culture, but her accent is still not Orlesian, and she is from the Free Marches. Still, could be influential on her pronunciation.

 

My Inquisitor responds to these with the same pronunciation as well, and she is from the Free Marches.

 

Maybe its a Free Marches thing? Hmm...

[Andromelek]

I don't get the sarcasm here.
Wyvern can be tamed and female wyvern are powerful and loyal creatures when they are tamed and trained
Dragons can't be tamed without forgotten ancient magic of Evanuris.

Actually, Wyverns are more brutish and violent than Dragons, but they are smaller and cannot fly, I think it's like the difference between cats and lions, cats are more violent but since they are small you can have one, while a lion is big and can harm people with ease.

I guess that Kolgrim's gong can count as some training, and the Queen of Dragons doesn't seems to be submitted by magic.

[Andromelek]

That's possible.
 
The first time I remember hearing it was when the you acquire the side quest "Wyrm Hole" from Judith in Crestwood. Crestwood is in Fereldan, but that does not to assume that Judith is Fereldan, but I kind of did. Yet, the possibility remains that she picked up the pronunciation from an Orlesian.
 
The next time I remember hearing it is from Vivienne, when she tasks you with her personal quest. Clearly, she is influenced by Orlesian culture, but her accent is still not Orlesian, and she is from the Free Marches. Still, could be influential on her pronunciation.
 
My Inquisitor responds to these with the same pronunciation as well, and she is from the Free Marches.
 
Maybe its a Free Marches thing? Hmm...

Well, yes, it could be, Chateau Haine was located on the Free Marches too, right?

[IllustriousT]

Well, yes, it could be, Chateau Haine was located on the Free Marches too, right?

 

Good Point, which supports the Orlesian influence. 

 

I say - mystery solved - good enough anyhow.

 

 

Thanks!

[fhs33721]

Because a long time ago humans for completly arbitrary reasons decided that "reptiles are abhorrent" and therefore only villains are allowed to have reptile-based pets in fictional works. So the bad guy's (in this case) Darkspawn gets a huge awesome dragon to lead them and the good guys (grey Wardens) have to get something fluffy with fur and/or feathers that looks cute in comparison. Here you go have some Gryphons.

[German Soldier]

Actually, Wyverns are more brutish and violent than Dragons, but they are smaller and cannot fly, I think it's like the difference between cats and lions, cats are more violent but since they are small you can have one, while a lion is big and can harm people with ease.

I guess that Kolgrim's gong can count as some training, and the Queen of Dragons doesn't seems to be submitted by magic.

Well i don't like the comparision because Wyverns aren't cats whle dragons are lions,wyverns can actually kill dragons and Leopold was very big and able to made jump on high distances.

[German Soldier]

Because a long time ago humans for completly arbitrary reasons decided that "reptiles are abhorrent" and therefore only villains are allowed to have reptile-based pets in fictional works. So the bad guy's (in this case) Darkspawn gets a huge awesome dragon to lead them and the good guys (grey Wardens) have to get something fluffy with fur and/or feathers that looks cute in comparison. Here you go have some Gryphons.

In fictional works often lizards based creature are portrayed as evil and i don't like that since in most cases they are animals without any degree of malevolence.

[Andromelek]

Because a long time ago humans for completly arbitrary reasons decided that "reptiles are abhorrent" and therefore only villains are allowed to have reptile-based pets in fictional works. So the bad guy's (in this case) Darkspawn gets a huge awesome dragon to lead them and the good guys (grey Wardens) have to get something fluffy with fur and/or feathers that looks cute in comparison. Here you go have some Gryphons.

Well, not completely in this case, Dragons and Wyverns are feral but not evil, Prosper himself was not evil, we get to fight him because of Talis, but Prosper was only using common sense by trying to earn an advantage against the annoying and illogical zealots trolls known as Qunari.

[fhs33721]

Well, not completely in this case, Dragons and Wyverns are feral but not evil, Prosper himself was not evil, we get to fight him because of Talis, but Prosper was only using common sense by trying to earn an advantage against the annoying and illogical zealots trolls known as Qunari.

We also have an evil Dragon cult in Haven, evil Darkspawn Archdemon-Dragons, an Red lyrium Dragon that serves Corypheus, codex entries about evil reptile people and while Dragons and Wyverns aren't really evil they frequently threaten human settelments and we have to kill them. Oh and said illogical zealot trolls are implied to be somehow linked to dragons themselves.

But at least I got a Dracolisk in DAI, so maybe the villains monopoly on reptilian sidekicks finally loosens.

[thats1evildude]

Well, not completely in this case, Dragons and Wyverns are feral but not evil, Prosper himself was not evil, we get to fight him because of Talis, but Prosper was only using common sense by trying to earn an advantage against the annoying and illogical zealots trolls known as Qunari.

 

Hey now, Prosper was clearly a massive bag of d**ks. Maybe he wasn't EEEEEVIL, but his demise was his own doing.