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Why can't I make my girlfriend have a baby with Alistair?


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Jeep Wrangler

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I made my decisions in the Keep and I decided my human rogue noble Hero of Ferelden was kind of a loveable jerk, so he romanced Morrigan, but then later she had to have a baby with a warden to save the world or something. It was all a little confusing.

 

Anyway, I wanted her to have a baby with Alistair but it wouldn't let me make her have a baby with him because she was in a relationship with me! What gives? I should be able to RP my Warden however I want, and I decided that my Warden likes to watch.



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without a  third party, due to the taint, it will be very hard for 2 Grey wardens to have a baby together.  It would be easier for a normal person and a grey warden to have a family.

 

So if your grey warden and Alistar wants a baby, they need a mage aka Morrigan, Wynne or some knowledgeable Mage to help out. So you can head canon that your lady grey warden and alistar had a mage to help out to get her pregant.



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It would be helpful if you were to play the actual game, rather than relying on the Keep to role-play. The Keep is a method for importing your choices that you made in the actual games, not a real substitute for playing.

 

There are several factors involved with the baby issue, and I am afraid I have to get into some SPOILERS for the explanation.

 

 

Some background...

 

In order to become a Grey Warden, a person takes the darkspawn taint into themselves. This gives them a connection to the darkspawn and also the Archdemon. The main, final boss of DAO is the Archdemon, which has the soul of an Old God. When an Archdemon "dies," its soul jumps into the nearest tainted creature and the soul is able to continue on living. The only way for the Archdemon to be truly defeated is to be killed by a Grey Warden, because they are tainted as part of being a Grey Warden. BUT, the game explains that a darkspawn is a "soulless vessel," so it is able to contain the Archdemon soul, but a Grey Warden is not soulless, so when the Archdemon's soul goes into the Warden, there is a clash and both souls die. Thus, in order to ultimately kill an Archdemon, a Grey Warden must sacrifice their life.

 

In the game, on the eve of the fight with the Archdemon, Morrigan approaches the Warden PC and explains to them that she has a ritual (the Dark Ritual) that will enable her to conceive a child. Since this child will be conceived with a Grey Warden father, it will also be tainted. When the killing blow is struck, the Archdemon's soul will "seek out the child like a beacon" and jump into it, rather than the Warden who struck the killing blow. Because this new life is so pure, it will NOT die as a result. So, everybody lives!

 

Morrigan has her own reasons for wanting this child, which I'm not going to get into, but she does specifically want it. Saving the Warden PC's life is merely a bonus, possibly increased if you are in a romance with her.

 

But there is a problem for female Warden's isn't there? Since they can't impregnate Morrigan. The fail safe for this is Alistair OR Loghain, whom you can convince to sleep with her instead, thus providing the player who can't or won't do it themselves.

 

You do NOT have to have this baby in order to save the world. Your Warden can die, or order either Alistair or Loghain to make the final killing blow, allowing one of them to die in your stead. But if you have selected the option for your Warden to survive, and also have that Alistair or Loghain survive, that means that the Dark Ritual was performed.

 

The problem you are running into is because your character is in a romance with her. The baby choice does carry over into Dragon Age: Inquisition. There are two different babies that Morrigan can have: a normal baby, and an "Old God Baby" (OGB). If your character is in a relationship with her, she will become pregnant with your child regardless. The ONLY time when that baby is also the OGB is if you then do the Dark Ritual.

 

Now, I don't know how it works out in the game for a Morrigan romance play because I've never done it. However, if you are in a romance with her, and have been having sex, it doesn't make much sense for you to say, "I don't want to have sex with you on this one occasion, I'll go convince Alistair to do it." You "like to watch," and that is fine for you, but there are only so many role-play variations the game can account for. The Keep only has the choices that are present in the game.


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Is it weird to refer to Morrigan as "my girlfriend"?


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Lol

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It would be helpful if you were to play the actual game, rather than relying on the Keep to role-play. The Keep is a method for importing your choices that you made in the actual games, not a real substitute for playing.

DON'T TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE. thanks for the info, though. Of course my Warden and Morrigan weren't having sex before--they're not married! It didn't come up until the baby thing. The thing that gets me is I'm sure my Warden had really high persuasion. I think this was an over-sight on their part. I know that the game can't account for everything, but this seems like an easy enough fix.
 

 

Is it weird to refer to Morrigan as "my girlfriend"?

No!



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DON'T TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE. thanks for the info, though. Of course my Warden and Morrigan weren't having sex before--they're not married! It didn't come up until the baby thing. The thing that gets me is I'm sure my Warden had really high persuasion. I think this was an over-sight on their part. I know that the game can't account for everything, but this seems like an easy enough fix.
 

 

No!

The Warden cannot canonically have a baby with Alistair.



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The Warden cannot canonically have a baby with Alistair.

 

That's not what the OP wants. They want Morrigan to have her baby with Alistair while in a romance with the male Warden PC, which apparently the Keep doesn't allow under some circumstances. We don't know what their other choices are RE: Warden alive/dead, Alistair king/warden/alive/dead, Archdemon killed by Warden/Alistair, so it's difficult to say.

 

I'm not sure what those circumstances are. I've tested some of the options and you can have the OGB with Alistair while in a romance with Morrigan. However, some choices do not allow this and the Keep logic kicks in and asks you to change it. You cannot have Alistair kill the Archdemon if you want an OGB. If there is an OGB, the only person able to kill the Archdemon is the Warden. However, Morrigan cannot have a normal baby with Alistair under any circumstances, and if there is a normal baby, then the DR was not done and someone has to die.


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Of course my Warden and Morrigan weren't having sex before--they're not married!

 

I don't think you can romance Morrigan without having sex.

 

I decided that my Warden likes to watch.

 

No sex before marriage but perfectly OK with cuckolding? That is a very strange moral code.


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That's not what the OP wants. They want Morrigan to have her baby with Alistair while in a romance with the male Warden PC, which apparently the Keep doesn't allow under some circumstances. We don't know what their other choices are RE: Warden alive/dead, Alistair king/warden/alive/dead, Archdemon killed by Warden/Alistair, so it's difficult to say.

 

I'm not sure what those circumstances are. I've tested some of the options and you can have the OGB with Alistair while in a romance with Morrigan. However, some choices do not allow this and the Keep logic kicks in and asks you to change it. You cannot have Alistair kill the Archdemon if you want an OGB. If there is an OGB, the only person able to kill the Archdemon is the Warden. However, Morrigan cannot have a normal baby with Alistair under any circumstances, and if there is a normal baby, then the DR was not done and someone has to die.

Ahh my mistake :)



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Wut



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I don't think you can romance Morrigan without having sex.

 

 

No sex before marriage but perfectly OK with cuckolding? That is a very strange moral code.

 

Look, we can't all be perfect Andrastians all the time.

 

Ahh my mistake :)

No worries! A couple of people made the same mistake.

But surely I'm not the only one who sees a serious problem with this?



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Andraste did not forbid sex before marriage.



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Andraste did not forbid sex before marriage.

 

How do you know? Were you THERE? Buddy, we both know that the Chant of Light is all kinds of messed up throughout history. Tch, in Tivinter they don't even think she got married to the Maker. Better safe than sorry, I always say.


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Weird how all these devout Andrastians keep having pre-marital sex, then. And how Andraste let her husband keep a mistress and then adopt the resulting kids.

I know you're fooling around, but indulge me: how'd you accomplish the feat of romancing Morrigan without having sex?

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how'd you accomplish the feat of romancing Morrigan without having sex?

 

Very carefully.



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Weird how all these devout Andrastians keep having pre-marital sex, then. And how Andraste let her husband keep a mistress and then adopt the resulting kids.

I know you're fooling around, but indulge me: how'd you accomplish the feat of romancing Morrigan without having sex?

Decline her politely when she asks you to warm her tent. She never brings it up again.

 

To the OP: You should be able to romance Morrigan and still have Alistair or Loghain be the father, if that's what you fancy. Both in the game and in the keep. As nightscrawl pointed out, it's probably the work of another tile. Most likely, the fate of Loghain, the fate of Alistair or who killed Archy the Demonic dragon is the troublemaker here. 


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Decline her politely when she asks you to warm her tent. She never brings it up again.

 

This guy knows what's up

 

 

 

To the OP: You should be able to romance Morrigan and still have Alistair or Loghain be the father, if that's what you fancy. Both in the game and in the keep. As nightscrawl pointed out, it's probably the work of another tile. Most likely, the fate of Loghain, the fate of Alistair or who killed Archy the Demonic dragon is the troublemaker here. 

 

 

Okay, when I initially set up my Keep initially (which was a while ago) it would NOT let me select old god baby with Alistair, or if I did, it would change my relationship with Morrigan. 

I deleted my old DA:I because when I came back to it I was like screw it let's start over. Now looking at my keep, it says that my Warden was in a relationship with Morrigan and she and DID bang out a quick one with Alistair to make an old god baby, HOWEVER, it is *NOT* reflected in game. Morrigan goes on and on about how much she loved raising her baby with the Warden until he left to go hunt down the cause of "the calling" or wtfe. 

 

You know what I think? I think she told my Warden she was going to do it with Alistair, and possibly used some mage trickery... then stole my poor Warden's purity while he slept.



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-snip-Morrigan goes on and on about how much she loved raising her baby with the Warden until he left to go hunt down the cause of "the calling" or wtfe. 

 

You know what I think? I think she told my Warden she was going to do it with Alistair, and possibly used some mage trickery... then stole my poor Warden's purity while he slept.

I assume you picked that you followed her through the mirror in the witch hunt tiles? Then you are basically taking the role of  stepfather(stepboyfriend?) the kids father and Bioware assumes that your warden was a decent one. It's usually what happens when you start dating somebody who has a kid already, you take on the parent role to some degree. Or well, what I think should happen. 

Or the warden might have stabbed her. It's apparently the "I love you" in the language of Flemmeth. She has a weird view of what kind of relationship she had with the warden in DAI.


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I assume you picked that you followed her through the mirror in the witch hunt tiles? Then you are basically taking the role of a stepfather(stepboyfriend?) and Bioware assumes that your warden was a decent one. 

Or the warden might have stabbed her. It's apparently the "I love you" in the language of Flemmeth. She has a weird view of what kind of relationship she had with the warden in DAI.

 

How sure are you of this? She makes ZERO reference to the baby being fathered by Alistair, who is also a king in my game, if that matters.

 

And I'd like to call foul on that, too. Just based on what I've said about him in this forum, it should be pretty clear that my Warden would have made a teeeerrible father. Suggestion: Bioware, make "good/bad parent?" a question in the keep.



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How sure are you of this? She makes ZERO reference to the baby being fathered by Alistair, who is also a king in my game, if that matters.

 

And I'd like to call foul on that, too. Just based on what I've said about him in this forum, it should be pretty clear that my Warden would have made a teeeerrible father. Suggestion: Bioware, make "good/bad parent?" a question in the keep.

Truthfully I have no idea. I just guessed that the warden followed her through the mirror since otherwise they never meet the kid at all. If you follow her through the mirror, the game (probably) assumes that you stay by her side, thus live with her son, thus act as a father to him, despite your wardens personality, because creating a variation for the wardens and Kierans relationship is too much effort with too little of a reward. 

As for not mentioning Alistair as the father, she probably doesn't think that it's any of your business, especially if Alistair is king, since the Inquisitor might get the idea to use Kieran to manipulate the throne and she doesn't want anyone to use her kid like that. 

 

I've never tried importing a world state where she both romanced the warden and had a child with someone else (and finding a youtube video of it is tricky). So I've never seen the scene. I'm just guessing. Maybe someone else comes by later with the 100% real answer.

And just because your character is a violent psychopath that bathes in the blood of the innocents and speaks only with his sword doesn't mean he can't be a good dad. I mean dog loved him and who questions his judgement. 


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Weird how all these devout Andrastians keep having pre-marital sex, then. And how Andraste let her husband keep a mistress and then adopt the resulting kids.


What do you mean we're not supposed to aggressively superimpose Christian morality on its fictional analogue?! Harrumph!

You know what I think? I think she told my Warden she was going to do it with Alistair, and possibly used some mage trickery... then stole my poor Warden's purity while he slept.


Just based on what I've said about him in this forum, it should be pretty clear that my Warden would have made a teeeerrible father. Suggestion: Bioware, make "good/bad parent?" a question in the keep.


And just because your character is a violent psychopath that bathes in the blood of the innocents and speaks only with his sword doesn't mean he can't be a good dad. I mean dog loved him and who questions his judgement.


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As for not mentioning Alistair as the father, she probably doesn't think that it's any of your business, especially if Alistair is king, since the Inquisitor might get the idea to use Kieran to manipulate the throne and she doesn't want anyone to use her kid like that. 

 

HELL YES I would get that idea! I'd stand outside his castle hollaring all night, HEEEEY BROOOOOO someone has a bastard son with a wiiiiiiiitch!!!! and I know WHOOOOOOOoooooOOOOoooo... so... possibly a good call on her part.

 

, because creating a variation for the wardens and Kierans relationship is too much effort with too little of a reward. 

 

 

I disagree, I think it'd be really easy to patch in. The Inqusitor asks "where is the father?" or whatever nosy question (I don't remember exactly what it was) and then Morrigan's face kind of flattens out and she says nothing while the subtitle is just a ton of ellipses. It's brilliant. Bioware should have me on the payroll.

Seriously though, I do appreciate the info. Your guess is as good as mine, everything you said made sense. But I'd appreciate it if it was reflected in-game somehow... I don't want to be shocked in DA4 when (if!?!?) this kid grows horns.

 

What do you mean we're not supposed to aggressively superimpose Christian morality on its fictional analogue?! Harrumph!

hey, don't be rude. Leave my aggressive Christian morality out of this.


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Sorry, but you're just going to have to accept that your Warden was a loving father. I know you were hoping to keep him as a total ***. :P


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