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Hard in Hightown: Chapter ?


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I guess I'm just slow on the uptake, but I just realized this codex entry changes depending on who you leave behind in the Fade and now I'm a sad potato.

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Curious how female and male Hawke get different entries. And I'm glad that Stroud's mustache is finally getting the respect it deserves.

Also the wiki says that "if Varric is in the party when this codex entry is discovered, he is genuinely confused and exclaims: 'What the - I never wrote this!'" which is creepy af. Whodunnit? Was it the Maker? Cole? Is there another lyrium ghost we should know about?
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Doesn't Solas comment at one point that Varric's writing is actually known to the Spirits of the Fade, due to his books, especially Hard in Hightown being popular enough to enter into the public consciousness (and unconscious). Books are ideas after all and what is the Fade but a reflection of them.

 

I kind of like the idea of a location in the Fade where the locations and "characters" of Varric's books actually exist in a fashion, as the place where the person left behind in the Fade eventually ended up, either as a comforting place to spend their final moments or as some kind of purgatory/limbo they now apparently dwell in.


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Guess this pretty much confirms that whoever is left in the fade is dead. 



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I guess I'm just slow on the uptake, but I just realized this codex entry changes depending on who you leave behind in the Fade and now I'm a sad potato.

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Curious how female and male Hawke get different entries. And I'm glad that Stroud's mustache is finally getting the respect it deserves.

Also the wiki says that "if Varric is in the party when this codex entry is discovered, he is genuinely confused and exclaims: 'What the - I never wrote this!'" which is creepy af. Whodunnit? Was it the Maker? Cole? Is there another lyrium ghost we should know about?

 

:o I never realized the text changed! Both the drink being poured and what's going on with the lute (Alistair :lol:). Great find!

 

I have heard Varric's comment a couple of times, but I don't think anyone else says anything?



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I kind of like the idea of a location in the Fade where the locations and "characters" of Varric's books actually exist in a fashion

 

I love this idea because it would mean that the protagonist of Hard in Hightown, Donnen Brennokovic, is a real person (well, fade spirit).

 

Imagine if all of Varric's characters were Fade spirits that lived in their own "Varricverse" in the Fade. Donnen, all of Varric's expies of his friends he put in Hard in Hightown, the knight captain protagonist of Swords and Shields. It would be amazing.

 

It's my hope that one day Donnen will pull a Cole, enter the physical world and clean up the mean streets of Thedas as a companion.
 


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Doesn't Solas comment at one point that Varric's writing is actually known to the Spirits of the Fade, due to his books, especially Hard in Hightown being popular enough to enter into the public consciousness (and unconscious). Books are ideas after all and what is the Fade but a reflection of them.
 
I kind of like the idea of a location in the Fade where the locations and "characters" of Varric's books actually exist in a fashion, as the place where the person left behind in the Fade eventually ended up, either as a comforting place to spend their final moments or as some kind of purgatory/limbo they now apparently dwell in.


Oh, I love that. Sad little imprints in the Fade. Probably no more substantial than the memory "ghosts" from the Gauntlet in Origins.

Guess this pretty much confirms that whoever is left in the fade is dead.


Maybe. Or at least the most important parts of them are dead. I'm still banking on whoever's left in the Fade showing up later possessed by the Nightmare.

:o I never realized the text changed! Both the drink being poured and what's going on with the lute (Alistair :lol:). Great find!


Apparently Alistair and male Hawke are the only ones who aren't musically talented. :P And the drinks feel just right for every character, hm...
 

I have heard Varric's comment a couple of times, but I don't think anyone else says anything?


Not that I know of.
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Guess this pretty much confirms that whoever is left in the fade is dead. 

 

Depends on whether any food or water conjured up in the Fade actually is able to provide sustenance for a physical being. And since we're unclear what the rules are for physical beings in a world where thought defines reality, providing they survived Nightmare, perhaps the person left behind is alive only so long as they "think" they are?



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It's interesting that the entry referring to Lady Hawke is the only one with a name: Marielle. That's awfully close to default femHawke's name of Marian.

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It's interesting that the entry referring to Lady Hawke is the only one with a name: Marielle. That's awfully close to default femHawke's name of Marian.

 

It makes me wonder if Marielle is the fictionalised version of fem!Hawke in the Hightownverse, since Varric based most of the characters on his friends. It would be rather appropriate for her to assume that role if she found herself in it's counterpart in the Fade.

 

The default male Hawke is also obliquely referred to in his entry as well, not by name, but in appearance as it notes he's got dark hair.

 

I also have to wonder if female Hawke is just as bad with the lute as male Hawke, but Donnen doesn't comment on it because he's trying to get her into the sack by the end of the evening? It is pretty obvious from his flirting that he wants to.

 

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Finding that codex was one of the times I got genuinely verklempt playing. All the feelings about carrying home with you wherever you go :crying:


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I was under the impression that spirits were just emulating what they watched from the physical world, similar to how Solas tells us of spirits recreating Ostagar. It's not that there are Fade spirits who are Fade!Hawke but a spirit of intellect or valor or [insert aspect here] emulating the stories. I picture Cassandra's spirit of faith from her Seeker vigil reading over her shoulder.

 

 

And the Chapter ??? is an echo of IHW in that the Fade can distort time and space, so it's a future echo of the next book Varric could write.



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I was under the impression that spirits were just emulating what they watched from the physical world, similar to how Solas tells us of spirits recreating Ostagar. It's not that there are Fade spirits who are Fade!Hawke but a spirit of intellect or valor or [insert aspect here] emulating the stories. I picture Cassandra's spirit of faith from her Seeker vigil reading over her shoulder.

 

The Avaar gods like Hakkon or the Lady of the Skies are spirits that have taken on the persona of the characters from the Avaar tales. And of course Cole is an example of a spirit that embraced someone else's life. One theory about the ancient elves is that the first of them were spirits that chose to become physical.


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People read Hard in Hightown and it evokes strong feelings, so spirits re-create Hard in Hightown in the Fade.

Hawke/Stroud/Alistair/Loghain can't go back to the real world, so they live on in dreams like the spirits' version of Hard in Hightown. And since the Shattered Library of is a collection of thoughts and experiences, their visit gets recorded.
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People read Hard in Hightown and it evokes strong feelings, so spirits re-create Hard in Hightown in the Fade.

Hawke/Stroud/Alistair/Loghain can't go back to the real world, so they live on in dreams like the spirits' version of Hard in Hightown. And since the Shattered Library of is a collection of thoughts and experiences, their visit gets recorded.

I hope my Krem/Maryden fanfic evokes strong enough feelings to create the Fade version!



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I only got the Loghain version of this on my latest run (only have a couple of world states where he's a Warden and still alive) and that was the one that brought tears to my eyes - because he's finally back with his Mabari.

 

(I like to think that it's really her, because the ghosts of good dogs go to the Fade when they die and she's been patiently waiting for him to show up all these years.)