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[SlottsMachine]

"Colored Countries?" LOL.

[SlottsMachine]

I'll be sure to alert the government here that they don't have to worry about invasive species, because they're not a thing as nature will always maintain the balance of life.

 

Well generally invasive species are due to man interference are they not? Be that direct or indirect.

[wright1978]

Sure you do. Any fauna, or flora introduced into an ecosystem with no natural predators or environmental limiters will proceed to over populate and destroy native species. 

 

Look at things like Kudzu, Africanized Honeybees, the White Spotted Jellyfish, etc. Sure they don't have the capacity for speech or civilization like us humans do, but saying that anything "natural" is automatically in a state of equilibrium with itself is not true.

 

Yeah agree completely

[Cyonan]

Well generally invasive species are due to man interference are they not? Be that direct or indrect.

 

They're usually introduced as a result of Human action, either intentional or not.

 

Though the argument is that an animal wont mess up the balance in an ecosystem because nature will fix it, so how the invasive species got introduced is largely irrelevant. If that argument were true, any species introduced into any ecosystem should cause no problems.

 

Humans are also an invasive species, and we've caused our fair share of extinctions.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

My sarcasm aside, now I'm curious:

If you're aware of this, were you not being serious before or do you legitimately not think that the Europeans are indigenous people of Europe?

What I mean by indigenous people that means people of color. If Europeans are indigenous then why don't they develop a balance with nature and the planet itself? Even Louis C.K. mentioned this " If we're belong here on earth. Why aren't we comfortable?" I'm saying this because it's the truth and I know people who don't like to hear it.

Modifié par N7Phantom, 01 avril 2016 - 06:05 .

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

What I mean by indigenous people that means people of color. If Europeans are indigenous then why don't they develop a balance with nature and the planet itself? Even Louis C.K. mentioned this " If we're being here in earth. Why aren't we comfortable?" I'm saying this because it's the truth and I know people who don't like to hear it.

balance with nature and the planet itself? nature exists to serve humanity, it has one job - to aid our advancement as a species and as soon as it is no longer useful it will be discarded

[MrFob]

They're usually introduced as a result of Human action, either intentional or not.

 

Though the argument is that an animal wont mess up the balance in an ecosystem because nature will fix it, so how the invasive species got introduced is largely irrelevant. If that argument were true, any species introduced into any ecosystem should cause no problems.

 

Humans are also an invasive species, and we've caused our fair share of extinctions.

 

I am sure the migration of species between ecosystems happened long before the emergence of humans through continental shifts, changing sea levels, etc.

 

The thing is, in the grand scheme of things, extinctions and shift in ecosystems are a part of the process. I'd also say that introducing species somewhere only caused problems in respect to how we see the ecosystem from our perspective. I bet in the long run, it all adapts one way or the other.

 

I'd say even the human race itself has no real chance to considerably mess up earth irreversibly in the long run. Sure, we may cause a mass extinction event (including ourselves) but I highly doubt we'll be able to completely eradicate life on this planet at least in the current stage of our development.

 

We are part of the system ourselves after all.

 

Note: This doesn't mean I condone messing up the environment or anything. I just think that we have to realize that when we talk about being careful with development, etc., it's more about us then anyone or anything else.

[wright1978]

What I mean by indigenous people that means people of color. If Europeans are indigenous then why don't they develop a balance with nature and the planet itself? Even Louis C.K. mentioned this " If we're being here in earth. Why aren't we comfortable?" I'm saying this because it's the truth and I know people who don't like to hear it.

 

That whole notion that every other culture outside of europe(which is somehow being considered a homogenous group when it isn't) is and has been in balance with nature strikes me as the biggest load of nonsense.

[Cyonan]

What I mean by indigenous people that means people of color. If Europeans are indigenous then why don't they develop a balance with nature and the planet itself? Even Louis C.K. mentioned this " If we're being here in earth. Why aren't we comfortable?" I'm saying this because it's the truth and I know people who don't like to hear it.

 

I think I just became a 16 year old white girl, because I had a moment there where I couldn't even.

 

Indigenous people refer to those who are native to the land. This includes white people, who are in fact native to some land(typically Europe).

 

On top of that, it wasn't just the white people who went around conquering people and generally messing things up. We were simply the most effective at doing it other than the Mongols, but they're the exception to a lot of things in history. It happens, you get used to it.

 

Many Humans don't have a good balance with nature because we're considered an invasive species, which means we usually end up messing things up. We're kind of a terrible species for everything that isn't us or things we find cute and adorable and want to keep as pets, like cats. The amount of Human groups that actually had respect for the land is actually fairly small. Most who didn't mess up the land simply lacked the level of technology to be able to do so.

 

When you're going around saying stuff "because it's the truth" it generally helps to have your information correct =P

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

balance with nature and the planet itself? nature exists to serve humanity, it has one job - to aid our advancement as a species and as soon as it is no longer useful it will be discarded

Nature exist to preserve everyone. This planet is for everyone not just humans.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I think I just became a 16 year old white girl, because I had a moment there where I couldn't even.

Indigenous people refer to those who are native to the land. This includes white people, who are in fact native to some land(typically Europe).

On top of that, it wasn't just the white people who went around conquering people and generally messing things up. We were simply the most effective at doing it other than the Mongols, but they're the exception to a lot of things in history. It happens, you get used to it.

Many Humans don't have a good balance with nature because we're considered an invasive species, which means we usually end up messing things up. We're kind of a terrible species for everything that isn't us or things we find cute and adorable and want to keep as pets, like cats. The amount of Human groups that actually had respect for the land is actually fairly small. Most who didn't mess up the land simply lacked the level of technology to be able to do so.

When you're going around saying stuff "because it's the truth" it generally helps to have your information correct =P

Ok. If you believe everything what I said is false that's cool. Believe what you believe what you think is best for you is best. But think about this if they conquered and reshape the world into their image then why BW writes it in their games that is based on historical events of European history?

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Nature exist to preserve everyone. This planet is for everyone not just humans.

Humans are the superior species, the planet and everything on it is ours to do whatever we want

[SlottsMachine]

I am sure the migration of species between ecosystems happened long before the emergence of humans through continental shifts, changing sea levels, etc.

 

The thing is, in the grand scheme of things, extinctions and shift in ecosystems are a part of the process. I'd also say that introducing species somewhere only caused problems in respect to how we see the ecosystem from our perspective. I bet in the long run, it all adapts one way or the other.

 

I'd say even the human race itself has no real chance to considerably mess up earth irreversibly in the long run. Sure, we may cause a mass extinction event (including ourselves) but I highly doubt we'll be able to completely eradicate life on this planet at the current stage.

 

We are part of the system ourselves after all.

 

Note: This doesn't mean I condone messing up the environment or anything. I just think that we have to realize that when we talk about being careful with development, etc., it's more about us then anyone or anything else.

 

I would agree though I think all we are doing here in this thread is disproving that animals play some cognitive role in this.  

[Cyonan]

Ok. If you believe everything what I said is false that's cool. Believe what you believe what you think is best for you.

 

It's not a matter of believing, these are things that have happened and are currently happening on the planet.

 

Not believing in them is about as effective as not believing in gravity. You can technically do it, but you're still stuck on this rock with the rest of us because of it.

[wright1978]

Nature exist to preserve everyone. This planet is for everyone not just humans.

 

Hardly. Nature isn't that cute, extinctions happen under its watch, we're just causing a whole bunch it didn't have on its dance card at that moment.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Hardly. Nature isn't that cute, extinctions happen under its watch, we're just causing a whole bunch it didn't have on its dance card at that moment.

I never said that nature is all peaches and cream. Nature does what it does it takes no sides, it doesn't judge or discriminate it just is.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hardly. Nature isn't that cute, extinctions happen under its watch, we're just causing a whole bunch it didn't have on its dance card at that moment.

 

The Dodo died out and the world wasn't lesser for it.

[Cyonan]

The Dodo died out and the world wasn't lesser for it.

 

but the T-Rex also died out and now I can't ride one to work every day.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

you arent one of those "save the whales" nutjobs are you?

i have a very long list of people i hate but environmentalists are right on top.....

I'm not an environmentalist I am an observer.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

The Dodo died out and the world wasn't lesser for it.

but it also means i cant mount one on my wall

[Cyonan]

I'm never said that nature is all peaches and cream. Nature does what it does it takes no sides, it doesn't judge or discriminate it just is.

 

You also said that Nature exists to preserve everyone. Now rather than opting for the obvious route of mentioning the mass extinction events that wiped out the vast majority of life on Earth before Humans were even a thing on 5 separate occasions I'm gonna mention the Pandas.

 

A species dying out because it's literally too lazy to have sex to repopulate.

[Master Warder Z_]

but it also means i cant mount one on my wall

 

Shoot a damn turkey buzzard then, those fat <.< birds are everywhere.

[Quarian Master Race]

While the Agent Smith speech is pretty cool, it's pretty scientifically inaccurate. 

Not to mention it's hilariously ironic given what the machines have done to Earth in that universe.

Then again, those machines came up with the most thermodynamically inefficient energy production method in history (they'd literally be better off just burning the human bodies like coal or oil), so they probably aren't very bright.

 

The indigenous people of Europe certainly never did any of that.

 

They definitely didn't repeatedly do it to most of what became North and South America.

 

I mean, it's not like the Spanish basically wiped out an entire civilization or anything. That would just be crazy talk.

 

My sarcasm aside, now I'm curious:

 

If you're aware of this, were you not being serious before or do you legitimately not think that the Europeans are indigenous people of Europe?

Interesting thing is this depends on how long one has to inhabit an area to be considered "indigenous". HomoSapiens most likely originated in Africa around 200,000 years ago, but have spread around the globe, consuming and destroying all other members of the genus. More recently, the people of modern Europe, India and much of the Near East are lingusitically and genetically descended from nomadic invaders from the Eurasian/Pontic steppes of Southern Russia and Ukraine starting around 5200BC (Kurgan hypothesis), who first domesticated horses and destroyed the more primitive cultures that previously inhabited those areas. This is the reason for the wide distribution of the Indo-European language family.

Humans are an invasive bunch, it seems.

[Master Warder Z_]

A species dying out because it's literally too lazy to have sex to repopulate.

 

Its a shame we can't turn em all into rugs either, I mean at least then they would be productive 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

You also said that Nature exists to preserve everyone. Now rather than opting for the obvious route of mentioning the mass extinction events that wiped out the vast majority of life on Earth before Humans were even a thing on 5 separate occasions I'm gonna mention the Pandas.

A species dying out because it's literally too lazy to have sex to repopulate.

The reason why species are dying because it's simply their time to go and make way to new life and that's ok, and just because we're gone it's not the end. We're living in a human body to experience of what it's like and move on to another life after we're dead.