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[Han Shot First]

That's not true. Every animal and the indigenous people have a natural instinct to develop balance to their habitat and themselves with nature. You never heard or seen an animal or the indigenous people travel all the way to another continent or a nation to kill the inhabitants and take away resources.

 

Elk were stripping away the vegetation of Yellowstone until the reintroduction of wolves.

 

 

Indigenous peoples were often just as warlike or brutal as the Europeans who later conquered them. The Aztecs for example, rather than completely conquer their chief rival Tlaxcala, kept them in a perpetually weakened state and fought them often in a practice known as Flower Wars, the main purpose the capturing of Tlaxcalan warriors to sacrifice to the Aztec gods. The Aztecs were so despised for their brutality that when the Conquistadors arrived Tlaxcala allied with them against the Aztecs. Cortes had thousands of native allies in addition to the few hundred Conquistadors under his command, and probably would not have conquered Tenochtitlan without them.

 

The main difference between the Europeans and the indigenous peoples they encountered during the Age of Sail was that the Europeans had ships with which to sail the world, and guns, horses, and weapons and armor made of steel, while the natives did not. The natives were at a large technological disadvantage, but on the whole they weren't any less warlike.

 

Humans are the same unfortunately. We're all a bunch of violent apes. 

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Its a shame we can't turn em all into rugs either, I mean at least then they would be productive 

fun fact - i have a panda rug

[Master Warder Z_]

fun fact - i have a panda rug

 

 

 

Is it real?

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

 

Is it real?

yep, its really comfy too

[Cyonan]

The reason why species are dying because it's simply their time to go and make way to new life and that's ok, and just because we're gone it's not the end. We're living in a human body to experience of what it's like and move on to another life after we're dead.

 

Which completely contradicts your previous statement about nature existing to preserve everybody, because nature be wiping out almost everybody on a regular basis.

 

and us Humans just can't accept being outdone by nature, so we're taking a shot at it right now.

[Draining Dragon]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but many early European cultures were based around reverence for nature. Look at the Celts, for instance.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but many early European cultures were based around reverence for nature. Look at the Celts, for instance.

 

I was just about to mention the hippy dippy druids as well.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but many early European cultures were based around reverence for nature. Look at the Celts, for instance.

thank god for good 'ol Julius

[SKAR]

I think they are going to screw up this one if they didn't do this right, they screwed up the ending, the game looks rushed and cheap, cliché superhero worship trope and other reasons. And its the plot that bothers me of humanity must survive by initiating manifest destiny by taking and killing the indigenous people who lived there to preserve the survival of the human race because we're "special". That is the most idiotic plot I've ever come across too and that is why I keep my expectations extremely low when it comes to BW.

I don't think it's gonna be like the whole kill the natives thing. And why are people getting so worked up over the endings? How does.that kill an entire series. If people are still upset about em they should look at the calendar. It's 2016, not 2012 anymore. Why is going to a new galaxy such and egregious act? How is exploring a new galaxy with new aliens bad? That's what we do, we explore. Think of it like the first contact war only bigger. It's like star trek. Going where no man has gone before. Say what you will my friend but if the first three Mass effects were brilliant why would this game be any different?

[Cyonan]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but many early European cultures were based around reverence for nature. Look at the Celts, for instance.

 

It's true that it did happen.

 

Then the rest of us violent Humans showed up waving our collective dicks around and messing the place up =P

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

It's true that it did happen.

 

Then the rest of us violent Humans showed up waving our collective dicks around and messing the place up =P

a orgy does not "mess the place up" .....

[Cyonan]

a orgy does not "mess the place up" .....

 

It does if you're doing it right.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Which completely contradicts your previous statement about nature existing to preserve everybody, because nature be wiping out almost everybody on a regular basis.

and us Humans just can't accept being outdone by nature, so we're taking a shot at it right now.

But why resist the inevitable? If we're going away so be it. I want to see what's on the other side and what adventure am I going to have after I die.

[Cyonan]

But why resist the inevitable? If we're going away so be it. I want to see what's on the other side and what adventure am I going to have after I die.

 

I don't know why you would resist the inevitable.

 

You were the one saying that nature exists to preserve everybody, not me.

[Mistic]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but many early European cultures were based around reverence for nature. Look at the Celts, for instance.

 

Even if that's the case, reverence for nature doesn't mean not being warlike. I don't think the Greeks were relieved to hear that the Celts who invaded them liked nature, after all.

 

Say what you will my friend but if the first three Mass effects were brilliant why would this game be any different?

 

Good games or not, it wouldn't be the first time ME has had a problem when using certain themes. From "humans are special" to ME3's ending, sometimes the moral that the player supposedly has to share is lacking, to say the least.

 

So I can understand why people might be worried that ME:A may end up giving us a tale of native aliens in dire need of rescue, who of course will let us take planets and star systems because we are just that awesome, while those who oppose us are invariably evil. Or, at best, misguided whiners. It has already happened in ME1, 2 and 3.

[Silcron]

But why resist the inevitable? If we're going away so be it. I want to see what's on the other side and what adventure am I going to have after I die.

 

It's not inevitable. We're letting nature think it has a chance before we beat it down. It's all part of the plan and soon we'll have our edgy, grim, dark future.

 

On an unrelatred note if you reckognize the names: Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeench or Slaneesh please present yourself to the Inquisi officers over there.

[Vortex13]

Indigenous peoples were often just as warlike or brutal as the Europeans who later conquered them. The Aztecs for example, rather than completely conquer their chief rival Tlaxcala, kept them in a perpetually weakened state and fought them often in a practice known as Flower Wars, the main purpose the capturing of Tlaxcalan warriors to sacrifice to the Aztec gods. The Aztecs were so despised for their brutality that when the Conquistadors arrived Tlaxcala allied with them against the Aztecs. Cortes had thousands of native allies in addition to the few hundred Conquistadors under his command, and probably would not have conquered Tenochtitlan without them.

The main difference between the Europeans and the indigenous peoples they encountered during the Age of Sail was that the Europeans had ships with which to sail the world, and guns, horses, and weapons and armor made of steel, while the natives did not. The natives were at a large technological disadvantage, but on the whole they weren't any less warlike.

Humans are the same unfortunately. We're all a bunch of violent apes.

Exactly, and this notion (in fiction, as well as being touted in real life at points) that the native people are somehow more mystical or special than the "white man" is operating on the same logic that racist Europeans did; that one group is somehow inherently better than another group.

You wanna know how to combat racist tendencies and beliefs? Treat everyone as actual people, no master race, no noble natives; we're all the same species here.

[Draining Dragon]

Even if that's the case, reverence for nature doesn't mean not being warlike. I don't think the Greeks were relieved to hear that the Celts who invaded them liked nature, after all.

I agree. I was just pointing out that European cultures are also capable of showing respect for nature.

[Commander Rpg]

AVE CAESAR - MORITVRI TE SALVTANT

 

 

[MrFob]

I agree. I was just pointing out that European cultures are also capable of showing respect for nature.

 

Oh, I am sure they still have a great deal of respect for nature. They just like it best when it's been converted into something with an ISO, DIN or CEN standard.

[Kabooooom]

Humans are the superior species, the planet and everything on it is ours to do whatever we want

Lol wut. What kind of Bible-thumping anthropocentric BS is this.

This thread went totally sideways, didnt it.

Note: I realize one can be anthropocentric and not a Bible-thumper. I was only half joking. Although, statistically, those that think we have a divine license to pollute and torture animals are a bit more prevalent than those that just think humans are the ****-legit.

[straykat]

Lol wut. What kind of Bible-thumping anthropocentric BS is this.

This thread went totally sideways, didnt it.

Note: I realize one can be anthropocentric and not a Bible-thumper. I was only half joking. Although, statistically, those that think we have a divine license to pollute and torture animals are a bit more prevalent than those that just think humans are the ****-legit.

 

Dude, I'm a Christian. I don't want to destroy the planet. And where did you even get the torturing animals bit? We're all serial killers in the making now? /facepalm

 

No wonder why there's such a rift between people these days. I can't fight this level of fantasy.

[Kabooooom]

Dude, I'm a Christian. I don't want to destroy the planet. And where did you even get the torturing animals bit? We're all serial killers in the making now? /facepalm

No wonder why there's such a rift between people these days. I can't fight this level of fantasy.

Did I say that being religious automatically equals that you adhere to some extreme form of anthropocentrism? No. But there are those that do believe that, specifically because of genesis. I've had far too many encounters with people like that.

Also, you should be less easily offended. The post was semi-tongue in cheek.

[straykat]

Did I say that being religious automatically equals that you adhere to some extreme form of anthropocentrism? No. But there are those that do believe that, specifically because of genesis. I've had far too many encounters with people like that.

Also, you should be less easily offended.

 

I think you're talking to the wrong people. And it's your choice for just focusing on it.

 

I don't know. Next time you think of a bible thumper, envision MLK Jr. or something. It might ease the pain.

[SKAR]

Elk were stripping away the vegetation of Yellowstone until the reintroduction of wolves.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q

Indigenous peoples were often just as warlike or brutal as the Europeans who later conquered them. The Aztecs for example, rather than completely conquer their chief rival Tlaxcala, kept them in a perpetually weakened state and fought them often in a practice known as Flower Wars, the main purpose the capturing of Tlaxcalan warriors to sacrifice to the Aztec gods. The Aztecs were so despised for their brutality that when the Conquistadors arrived Tlaxcala allied with them against the Aztecs. Cortes had thousands of native allies in addition to the few hundred Conquistadors under his command, and probably would not have conquered Tenochtitlan without them.

The main difference between the Europeans and the indigenous peoples they encountered during the Age of Sail was that the Europeans had ships with which to sail the world, and guns, horses, and weapons and armor made of steel, while the natives did not. The natives were at a large technological disadvantage, but on the whole they weren't any less warlike.

Humans are the same unfortunately. We're all a bunch of violent apes.

Well I'm pretty sure we are not going to conquer the species of andromeda. We are just going to establish colonies on remote planets. Sure we are invading but we are probably trying to find a way to coexist instead of.conquer.