I believe this discussion emerged from the debate over whether humans are going to be invading Andromeda, based on the little information in the survey. Some folks are concerned about it paralleling European colonialism.
Yeah, I remember that.
I just didn't expect explicit racism and the Oppressor and Oppression Olympics to come out of that, at least not without this thread being locked.
What does this have to do with the leaked survey?
Not a d*mn thing
I know that man. It use to be one big continent millions of years before the plate tectonics break apart and changing into 7 continents. I know that part.You are being really thick. We are all Africans. Every single human of any skin tone. All of us. Get it now? Probably not.
I know that man. It use to be one big continent millions of years before the plate tectonics break apart and changing into 7 continents. I know that part.
Not exactly the point but ok..
https://en.wikipedia...uman_migrations
I believe this discussion emerged from the debate over whether humans are going to be invading Andromeda, based on the little information in the survey. Some folks are concerned about it paralleling European colonialism.
If only, I'd get a kick out of playing a futuristic version of my Iberian ancestors and kinsmen who brought modern european civilization to the Americas.It'd be a dream come true to play an allegory of Hernan Cortes, who rallies one alien species against another more hated alien species and establishes a human foothold on the collective corpse of their foul civilization in Andromeda.
It was enabled through imperialism at first. But they defended themselves fair and square. And many times over. It's amazing how a group can win simple competition so many times and still get looked down on for it.
Well, in the end, the country became vastly superior thanks to the incredible military and financial support of Americans for years and for years. Something that didn't have the arab countries. Without the american support, all those weapons, this big superiority of the small state, absolutely needed to win, wouldn't have been strong enough to be able ro resist to several countries in the long term. Everyone knew that. That's how the Hatred for Israel became the hatred for the United States for some lol. 
If Iran was so much perceived as a threat, it's precisely because unlike the other arab countries, this country is able to fight almost on the same level of technology, as determined as israel, with a much bigger population. The USA gave plenty of patriot anti-missiles to defend the small country against balistic missiles. Without that, it hardly believable that Israel could have done that alone with its own budget.
Point taken.Lol. The islamic state fits all those words to me. Unless I missed something, they are people of color. It might not be an official state, it stills blows my mind that it succeeded to attract a few millions of fighters and administrators at its best with its horrific ideology and actions spread in several countries. What about all those christians harassed, abducted and killed everyday in some parts of the world and no one gives a sh*t ? Or all those yezidi women in Yemen raped, ensalved and forced to convert to islam because they happen to be a different religious minority and then considered for many as less than nothing ? Really, you just have to watch the news on tv to know that it is not true and can't be true.
All humans can be massively violent and brutal at one point of history regardless of their color or ethnic. Some maybe just lack the technology and the power, so it might not necessarily reach the same level ( well, it stil can ) but it's all the same, and it still very horrific. The Rwanda genocide in Africa is one of the most disgusting war ever happened lately.
Anyway, this kind of rethoric is not only false, it's also unproductive. Not sure how we got there.
Well, in the end, the country became vastly superior thanks to the incredible military and financial support of Americans for years and for years. Something that didn't have the arab countries. Without the american support, all those weapons, this big superiority of the small state, absolutely needed to win, wouldn't have been strong enough to be able ro resist to several countries in the long term. Everyone knew that. That's how the Hatred for Israel became the hatred for the United States for some lol.
If Iran was so much perceived as a threat, it's precisely because unlike the other arab countries, this country is able to fight almost on the same level of technology, as determined as israel, with a much bigger population. The USA gave plenty of patriot anti-missiles to defend the small country against balistic missiles. Without that, it hardly believable that Israel could have done that alone with its own budget.
They became partners, and benefited of course.. but they pulled a lot off on their own first.
Secondly, those Arab nations would have benefited from Imperialism just as much, if things had gone a little differently. But especially if WW2 didn't happen. The British and French swallowed up most of the Middle East, and the British/TE Lawrence did want to make concessions to Arabs at first. It wasn't until after WW2 that the case for Israel was even stronger. We can blame Hitler for that. And who wants to be on the opposing side of that argument? It's just not worth it. At this point, only fools do it (and demagogues). Holocaust deniers in the Muslim world. They resort to fantasy just to make their case.
They became partners, and benefited of course.. but they pulled a lot off on their own first.
Secondly, those Arab nations would have benefited from Imperialism just as much, if things had gone a little differently. But especially if WW2 didn't happen. The British and French swallowed up most of the Middle East, and the British/TE Lawrence did want to make concessions to Arabs at first. It wasn't until after WW2 that the case for Israel was even stronger. We can blame Hitler for that. And who wants to be on the opposing side of that argument? It's just not worth it. At this point, only fools do it (and demagogues). Holocaust deniers in the Muslim world. They resort to fantasy just to make their case.
Oh, I agree. They fighted well in every war. It's just that the american support is an essential factor to mention however, it's without any doubt possible linked to the big superiority of this little state. And they became more than partners. It would be interesting to know why the superpower prefered to totally take a side instead of trying to be neutral and to bring peace thanks to its incredible soft power and influence at the same time in the region. ( i'm not saying it's wrong or not, it would be just interesting to understand why they felt that way. At the beginning for the survival of Israel, okay, but after ? ) Though with Obama, the idea for a more neutral position from the united states to bring peace instead of just the traditional total 100 % support for one side, israel, finally was born in some american minds. Even the new generations do not exactly think the same as their fathers on this issue.
For sure WW2 changed things. It's just that after the war, the common thought in this part of the world was " why should we pay for the errors of europeans ? We didn't kill millions of jews, they did. Why don't they give a piece of their own lands if they feel culpability. " A lot of them felt compassion for the jewishs and what happened to them during the second world war actually, before the tension and the war between them. But then, things happened like we know. A part of the feeling of a big injustice roots its origin there. It was not the caricature that some are today.
But as much as history is interesting, that's another debate. So I'm willing to go back on topic. The survey. Yes, hum... But since that topic isn't interesting either, actually, i'm just going to stop posting in this thread. 
I think this thread veered away from Mass Effect about 4 pages ago.
And it's a very good thing.
And it's a very good thing.
Yes, every thread should stop the discussions about Mass Effect and talk about something else. This subforum isn't about Mass Effect after all....oh wait.
I was just about to mention the hippy dippy druids as well.
The Druids in Britain practised human sacrifice before we became a Roman province.
... not as hippy "peace and love" as you'd imagine.
This will be a great game.
We'll be an evildoer with a squad of goonies.
...And?
Those were spiffy uniforms.
A T Shirt worn by Caligula is still just a T Shirt and designing a uniform is hardly a war crime.
Yes the Rwandan genocide is true but there's a reason why they commit mass murder on each other is because of the aftermath of European Colonialism and racism that destroys their minds and twisted them into killing each other end masse is because of racism that infected them to destroy themselves and that is against our nature to be extremely violent. And yes Shaka did commit wars are brutal that makes the Zulu nation line up to Ancient Sparta but the Mfecane is merely a theory that is debatable whether he did commited genocide or the British settlers fabricate history of Shaka Zulu make him like a merciless barbarian, but I think is all made up by them because they took over and the first thing they do is to fabricate history about South Africa and the reason why they've fallen isn't because of the British per se but they warred upon themselves that causes their downfall what I said earlier. And you don't have to believe a word I say and I'll admit I'm wrong on some things but there's a reason why they commited brutal infighting and again they never travel to another continent to bring destruction only within their own nations and their own continent.
My good sir, I do hope that it was satire you intended. And while I'm the last person to complain about grammar, some commas and a bit of spacing would make this a hell of a lot easier to get through.
Also perhaps you shouldn't take everything you see on the internet as the gospel truth. Just saying.
My good sir, I do hope that it was satire you intended. And while I'm the last person to complain about grammar, some commas and a bit of spacing would make this a hell of a lot easier to get through.
Also perhaps you shouldn't take everything you see on the internet as the gospel truth. Just saying.
TK , it's another sinful , ofc his trolling - stopped getting baited like that - we have to convert the rest of the SP - but they lack historical background. Still - they only learned swear words recently n7, you can't expect them to know also about culture just yet. Have mercy.
I dunno mate, this seems to have too much thought behind it to be just trolling. Or someone has waay too much free time by themselves.
Well at least this isn't another romance, LI or ME3 ending thread.
Well at least this isn't another romance, LI or ME3 ending thread.
It baffles me you split "romances" and "love interests" from one another. 
It baffles me you split "romances" and "love interests" from one another.
It's mass effect love, the two can be mutually exclusive. Think Kelly and Miranda in ME2.
Well I'm pretty sure we are not going to conquer the species of andromeda. We are just going to establish colonies on remote planets. Sure we are invading but we are probably trying to find a way to coexist instead of.conquer.
We can stay on topic when they give us back the off topic subforum.Yes, every thread should stop the discussions about Mass Effect and talk about something else. This subforum isn't about Mass Effect after all....oh wait.
We can stay on topic when they give us back the off topic subforum.
It won't happen.
But I dream I could do something like this.
I was just reading this on the presse !
It seems we will have difficult choices to do, I think making us the "bad guy" is pretty cool (and very logical, Andromeda is not our home) but as a person who play mainly Paragon, I hope I won't be forced to do very ugly things to the new species. As I was thinking since the start, it seems the aliens from Andromeda will just try to protect their home from us, colonists.
BioWare, please, do something great with the choices and if possible propose us a large range of answers to deal with hard situations, that's all I ask. Thanks.
Im sure they wont force you to send them to death camps and do experiments on them. I dont think you could do this as renegade either, lol.
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