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[SKAR]

Sounds bland, but if they make it fun like Starship Troopers, it could work. I don't have much faith that progressive bioware will make this a fun experience. instead it'll probably be a hand holding lecture about how awful western colonialism is and blah blah blah. Then again, they managed to make elves in dragon age the horrible bigots some of us knew they were, so maybe they'll be able to pull this off and not make it just a finger wagging experience.

Certainly there can be moments when you can be merciful sure, but if this is a battle for survival to invade a territory, lets show some of that sometimes justified brutality.

Honestly what really doesn't tickle my fancy is how the hostile alien race is pretty much qll they've toted out here. No mention of other aliens besides unintelligent "creatures", not a word I'd use to describe sentients considering they didn't describe the previous race as "creatures".

Since we're all huamns, and thjs sounds like a human exclusive voyage, I'm curious what kind of asspull they'll make to explain all the recycled assets, I mean returning races in this game.

No faith in bioware. No faith in the game series you claim to love? Then what are you doing here?

[Kabooooom]

I saw this on reddit before it hit the news outlets. This leak also seems to suggest that we will face an indigenous species who is antagonistic because we are invading their territory.

I like that. It could present some interesting moral conundrums, rendered even more interesting if communication is at first impossible with them. Go full renegade and Christopher Columbus their asses? Or paragon and reach some sort of peace/trade agreement?

[MrFob]

Wow, I know it's just some vague marketing blabla but this sounds like the MW people are going to be very imperialistic. We are the aliens and we fight against a strong indigenous enemy from that galaxy to win a place that we can call home?

 

Riiiight, I guess that's how they advertised going to the new world and slaughter some of their indigenous people back in Europe in the olden days.

 

I am not saying that this is what the game is going to be like but the text of that survey makes "our side" sound pretty dam obnoxious to be honest.

[Kabooooom]

Wow, I know it's just some vague marketing blabla but this sounds like the MW people are going to be very imperialistic. We are the aliens and we fight against a strong indigenous enemy from that galaxy to win a place that we can call home?

Riiiight, I guess that's how they advertised going to the new world and slaughter some of their indigenous people back in Europe in the olden days.

I am not saying that this is what the game is going to be like but the text of that survey makes "our side" sound pretty dam obnoxious to be honest.

The difference between then and now is, presumably, we aren't colonizing by choice but instead by necessity. If we don't - extinction.

That could lead to similar moral predicaments involving the "natives", but the context would be different. Is it more okay to forcefully colonize if the alternative is your own death? Or is it equally as morally wrong as forcefully colonizing just for shits, giggles, and pillaging?

[Spectr61]

So an existential threat to our species in our galaxy gives use the right to invade another galaxy?

[MrFob]

The difference between then and now is, presumably, we aren't colonizing by choice but instead by necessity. If we don't - extinction.

That could lead to similar moral predicaments involving the "natives", but the context would be different. Is it more okay to forcefully colonize if the alternative is your own death? Or is it equally as morally wrong as forcefully colonizing just for shits, giggles, and pillaging?

 

I don't know, back then, after making a journey over the Atlantic for several months and basically arriving without enough supplies to just go back was kinda similar, no?

 

I guess the difference is probably going to be that the indigenous people we'll fight will be hostile from the start. I actually really hope they make this moral conundrum a central area of the plot though. I'd be really disappointed if they just block it out with pathos like in this survey text.

 

Ideally, we'd get the choice to eventually switch sides even (Dancing With Wolves style) but I'd be surprised if they went that far.

[Draining Dragon]

So an existential threat to our species in our galaxy gives use the right to invade another galaxy?

How is it invasion? You can't own an entire galaxy.

[MrFob]

How is it invasion? You can't own an entire galaxy.

Well, the protheans did for a while.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The difference between then and now is, presumably, we aren't colonizing by choice but instead by necessity. If we don't - extinction.

If us colonizing a galaxy other than the Milky Way is the only thing keeping us from extinction, we would be stupid to risk such a long journey when there are several galaxies closer yet still far from ours. 

[Iakus]

Wow, I know it's just some vague marketing blabla but this sounds like the MW people are going to be very imperialistic. We are the aliens and we fight against a strong indigenous enemy from that galaxy to win a place that we can call home?

 

Riiiight, I guess that's how they advertised going to the new world and slaughter some of their indigenous people back in Europe in the olden days.

 

I am not saying that this is what the game is going to be like but the text of that survey makes us sound pretty dam obnoxious to be honest.

 

Possible player quotes" 

 

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world."

 

"Millions of years after your civilization has been eradicated and forgotten, we will endure"

 

"Before us, you are nothing.  Your extinction is inevitable.  We are the end of everything."

 

"I am the Harbinger of your perfection"

 

"Your worlds will become our laboratories"

 

"You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."

 

"Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding"

 

"Confidence born of ignorance."

 

"Your words are as empty as your future.  I am the vanguard of your destruction.  This exchange is over."

 

"I will show you true power"

 

"Know this as you die in vain: your time will come.  Your species will fall"

 

"Your species has the attention of those infinitely your greater"

 

"You strive against inevitability, dust struggling against cosmic winds"

 

[MrFob]

If us colonizing a galaxy other than the Milky Way is the only thing keeping us from extinction, we would be stupid to risk such a long journey when there are several galaxies closer yet still far from ours. 

 

Also, if we get there with one ship, colonizing any more than one planet already goes way beyond survival.

 

@iakus: I always said, I'd find it hillarious if they canonized the synthesis ending and sent us on a mission to spread the green goodness.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Also, if we get there with one ship, colonizing any more than one planet already goes way beyond survival.

 

@iakus: I always said, I'd find it hillarious if they canonized the synthesis ending and sent us on a mission to spread the green goodness.

Well, I'd say we need to colonize a few, since the races of the Milky Way have different needs. For example the Volus would need a methane high pressure world, the Elcor a high gravity world, the Hanar a water world, etc. They can survive without those, but after travelling that far you may as well find a world that is comfortable. In any event the number would be nowhere near enough that it should cause an incident. 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

No faith in bioware. No faith in the game series you claim to love? Then what are you doing here?

I can see why that people won't give BW the benefit of the doubt because they rehashing Western Sci-Fi plots and expecting people to play it like hotcakes. I think they're going to screw up this one.

[MrFob]

Well, I'd say we need to colonize a few, since the races of the Milky Way have different needs. For example the Volus would need a methane high pressure world, the Elcor a high gravity world, the Hanar a water world, etc. But nowhere near enough that it should cause an incident. 

 

Oh yea, right.

 

I guess, the other thing they'll make different from our history is that the indigenous people may be technologically superior to us, giving us more of the underdog charm in the story. Still, I guess in the end, we'd have a chance to win, so does just that make it right?

There is definitely lot's of controversial for interesting controversy in this setup, unfortunately, there is also a lot of potential to royally screw it up.

 

EDIT: Oh, I forgot, this is Mass Effect, we might not get a chance to win in the end after all.

[Kabooooom]

I don't know, back then, after making a journey over the Atlantic for several months and basically arriving without enough supplies to just go back was kinda similar, no?

I guess the difference is probably going to be that the indigenous people we'll fight will be hostile from the start. I actually really hope they make this moral conundrum a central area of the plot though. I'd be really disappointed if they just block it out with pathos like in this survey text.

Ideally, we'd get the choice to eventually switch sides even (Dancing With Wolves style) but I'd be surprised if they went that far.

Similar, but the primary difference is not the journey but the presumed reason for the journey. If the Ark leaves for Andromeda because of the Reaper War, like we all assume, it ups the ante. It would sort of be like if the voyage across the Atlantic happened not because of a combination of greed and curiosity, but because an invading force had wiped out 99% of the population and all indications are they would complete the genocide with time.

So while in both situations, the explorers get there with the same lack of supplies and inability to return, and perhaps would make some of the same decisions with regards to the natives, the context of the decisions is different. And since morality is subjective, it could create interesting dichotomies if the writing doesn't suck.

If us colonizing a galaxy other than the Milky Way is the only thing keeping us from extinction, we would be stupid to risk such a long journey when there are several galaxies closer yet still far from ours.

I didn't write Andromeda lol, and I dont disagree. Remember, back in the day when myself and others predicted the change in setting of Andromeda, it was two fold - 1) a presumed change in galactic setting to avoid ME3s ending and 2) an early promo video which showed an image of a new galactic map. With the latter, it was clearly a spiral galaxy which was not the Milky Way. At that time, I pointed out that it very closely resembled images of Andromeda in the infrared (but viewed "top-down", a vantage point impossible from the Milky Way). Other people made note of other similarities. That's how Mass Effect: Andromeda was predicted.

Granted, a move to a closer dwarf galaxy would make about a million times more sense. But this is the direction they took, years ago in fact. They wouldn't change it then and they obviously wont now.

[Iakus]

Well, I'd say we need to colonize a few, since the races of the Milky Way have different needs. For example the Volus would need a methane high pressure world, the Elcor a high gravity world, the Hanar a water world, etc. They can survive without those, but after travelling that far you may as well find a world that is comfortable. In any event the number would be nowhere near enough that it should cause an incident. 

That would also probably mean we'd need an entire fleet of ships to accommodate the specific needs of each species.

[Iakus]

 

@iakus: I always said, I'd find it hillarious if they canonized the synthesis ending and sent us on a mission to spread the green goodness.

I always said no matter what choice you make, you become like the Reapers 

[howyummy]

Native Andromedean: Better not go to toilet. Human will take my seat and call it Manifest Destiny.

[Annos Basin]

I can't wait to give the Sovereign speech via a hologram to some snotty little inferior race we are about to conquer and whose world humanity is about to take over.  Mwa ha ha !

I disagree with the tone, but had to laugh. This would make an awesome scene. Especially with some candid camera to record their reactions. Just more options with dialogue so you can try to reach out for them in peace, or sound/act like the curious alien we are.

[Obliviousmiss]

I always said no matter what choice you make, you become like the Reapers 

 

My understanding from the survey is that humanity is looking for a new home. I don't see aggressive invasion as part of the survey. I see that the inhabitants of Andromeda are wary of humanity and think they are hostile. Hence they attack. 

 

I'm not liking everyone comparing humanity to the reapers.

 

It's dumb.

[Kabooooom]

That would also probably mean we'd need an entire fleet of ships to accommodate the specific needs of each species.

Maybe. I guess with cryo it wouldn't really matter until you got to Andromeda though. Hopefully they utilize that route otherwise an ark with multiple species like that would be pretty dumb. The early leak did mention a "Krogan colony ship" though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I didn't write Andromeda lol, and I dont disagree. Remember, back in the day when myself and others predicted the change in setting of Andromeda, it was two fold - 1) a presumed change in galactic setting to avoid ME3s ending and 2) an early promo video which showed an image of a new galactic map. With the latter, it was clearly a spiral galaxy which was not the Milky Way. At that time, I pointed out that it very closely resembled images of Andromeda in the infrared (but viewed "top-down", a vantage point impossible from the Milky Way). Other people made note of other similarities. That's how Mass Effect: Andromeda was predicted.

Granted, a move to a closer dwarf galaxy would make about a million times more sense. But this is the direction they took, years ago in fact. They wouldn't change it then and they obviously wont now.

Yeah, dwarf galaxies still have millions upon millions of stars, and those most likely have planets. 

It wouldn't even have to a dwarf galaxy. We have a perfectly good galaxy right next door to us with the Large Megellanic Cloud, which is a barred spiral galaxy, albeit a disrupted one. It's "only" 186,000 light years away, so is over 13 and a half times closer and has billions of stars.

 

That would also probably mean we'd need an entire fleet of ships to accommodate the specific needs of each species.

Who says we don't? After all we'll be piloting a ship that isn't the big one. One of the leaks also mentioned krogans having ships. Plus the main ship looks absolutely massive, so can have portions devoted to each race. 

[Spectr61]

How is it invasion? You can't own an entire galaxy.

Indeed.

How can anyone or any civilization or any species "own" anything?

[Kabooooom]

Yeah, dwarf galaxies still have millions upon millions of stars, and those most likely have planets.
It wouldn't even have to a dwarf galaxy. We have a perfectly good galaxy right next door to us with the Large Megellanic Cloud, which is a barred spiral galaxy, albeit a disrupted one. It's "only" 186,000 light years away, so is over 13 and a half times closer and has billions of stars.

Who says we don't? After all we'll be piloting a ship that isn't the big one. One of the leaks also mentioned krogans having ships. Plus the main ship looks absolutely massive, so can have portions devoted to each race.

Oh, I 100% agree. But Mass Effect: Large Magellanic Cloud just doesn't have the same catchiness to it

[Sartoz]

I saw this on reddit before it hit the news outlets. This leak also seems to suggest that we will face an indigenous species who is antagonistic because we are invading their territory.

I like that. It could present some interesting moral conundrums, rendered even more interesting if communication is at first impossible with them. Go full renegade and Christopher Columbus their asses? Or paragon and reach some sort of peace/trade agreement?

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The indigenous species is probably the Khet.

 

This "leak" supports the original one. Humans are fleeing from the MW galaxy catastrophe, colonizing the Helius cluster is imperative for survival.

 

Obviously we are not the equivalent of the Spanish Conquistadors, However, colonization = taking prime real estate, if possible. This may screw up expansion plans by the locals. So begins the Turf  War. In a war, making allies is a must. Obtaining high Remnant tech blueprints will help the war effort. I doubt moral choices will trump survival choices, though.

 

I also can't understand some posters' assumptions that Humans are special. We are not. This is our story and not the Asari's or Turians' or Krogans'.  Again, from Conal Pierce's introduction to Andromeda, our hero is combat trained but a newbie explorer. Surely, everyone understands the need for military training in such an environment in case we meet hostiles? The newbie explorer, here, provides the necessary 'weakness' and voids "we are special" view point, imo

 

Anyway, maybe a future game will have the Asari escaping from the MW and the game will be from their perspective. Who knows, somewhere down the road Humans and Asari may meet in the Andromeda galaxy.