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[Drone223]

I'm sorry, what species are you again?

A game can have a human protagonist without having a human centric story. Humanity was already the main focus of the trilogy so there's no need to make humanity the central focus again.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm sorry, what species are you again?

For some RP'ers, that's precisely why they are upset. We are humans in real life, and they want the chance to either play something different or at least have the story less human-centric. For some, when there are different races (like the Krogan, any new Andromeda race, and I can about guarantee the Asari will be there,) being restricted to human only seems like a waste. Also, see aforementioned comments about humans being the center of the story again.

Personally, I don't really care. As long as the story is decent, it's no skin off of me. I do think that the PC shouldn't start off with the same freedoms as Shepard had in the beginning of ME1. I hope they make the PC earn that kind of respect, not just given to them because humans are the most "special race."

I liked DA:O in part because the HoF had to build up his/her power before they commanded a lot of respect. Shoot, they start off as wanted criminals on the run. I also liked DA2 for that as well; Hawke also came from a destroyed town and for better or for worse, became the Champion of Kirkwall. I would like more of a gradual building of power for ME:A.

[Iakus]

Looking like Shep 2.0. Sounds like we could be another brick with guns. Shocker.

The announcement trailer alone pretty well demonstrated that.

[Blackout62]

Whoever had guessed Mass Effect: Israel, you win the colonial themes betting pool.

 

I know that's a gross oversimplification but it's the closest comparison.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I got a recent EA survey in my e-mail, but it wasn't anything like this. It was mainly asking what platforms I owned.

[Fuenf789]

Instead of logic or compassion, we should simply assume popularity and sensationalism.

Under this new premise we are free to settle where we like , hoist a flag, plunder, call the rest imposters, raise a wall and nuke whatever crosses it. In that specific order.
Depicting us as simply one gear in a complex ecosystem would be too much for our players basal' competences and urges. Imagine a game where we have to spend 2 years negotiating as is the case in reality . Complex trade dependencies of traders that willfully change their minds when the energy supply drops ;is too cumbersome. Humanity is 3000 years away from remotely considering a mushroom (that share 68% of its DNA with us homosapiens) as respected partner- why would it be different then - with a Hooloovoo with 0% DNS commonality.

The primary use of Guns and undermining others is a prime component of the first three episodes. Money, resource gathering and diplomacy a rather guilty afterthought in comparison. If you don't like violence go knit a sweater...

[Draining Dragon]

The important thing to ask about the indigenous people of Andromeda is: do they have a flag?



No flag, no galaxy. Can't have one.

[Han Shot First]

 

So are there aliens from the Milky Way or is it just humanity? Because if it is the latter then I'll be disappointed in the first degree. I doubt they've ditched the aliens but if they did do that, that just seems like a step back even in terms of humanity's advancement.

So... most of this information has already been confirmed, but we still can get a clearer image of what the game's premise is going to be. - lucianorim

It seems like most speculation was right for better or worse.

 

Some of the Milky Way aliens or more or less confirmed at this point. We've seen Krogan in both concept art and the trailer, and an early rumored leak that is looking more legit with each tidbit of actual information we get, mentioned the Asari and Salarians in Frostbite.

 

That said I'm hoping all the stuff about humanity is marketing speak, and we won't get more of the Humans Are Special  trope. That needs to be left behind with the Milky Way. Given the series track record however, I'm sort of expecting the Ark to be built entirely by humans, and the Krogan and Turians and such needing humans to find them home planets to settle.

[Quarian Master Race]

Oh.. well, I mean those species don't really mean much in and of themselves. Especially the Quarians. What are Quarians really, without their Geth/Rannoch plot. It's one and the same.

Nomadic survivors of a cataclysm looking for a home like they've already been doing for the past 3 centuries? Think Zaal'Koris and his ilk.

Hell, they arguably have the most incentive to be looking for a home in a different galaxy, considering the one they're in is full of people that hate them due to historical/racial prejudice, and who bomb them off of worlds on which they try to settle (e.g. Ekuna). Perhaps this animosity and will for violence wouldn't be present among species in Andromeda, whom presumably don't have a grudge against them because of the geth?

It's not as if it would even be a new development. The narrative on the quarians in Ascension was partially centered around this debate (whether to focus on retaking Rannoch or keep trying to find a new homeworld), and the quarians were sending out multi year long term scouting missions to look for habitable worlds like the Idenna and Cyniad (the latter of which has its own short sidequest in ME2). Have the divergence point before retaking the Homeworld becomes possible in ME3, and interest in Andromeda would be a pretty natural development from this were it possible for them.

"Intelligent, adaptable and technically adept" quarians make more sense in this plot than the "we want to kill all the other MW species" krogan, whom we know are there. Depending on how we get to Andromeda, their knowledge and experience of long term spaceborne living could be very useful to the other species in such an endeavor.

[Fuenf789]

Ha , you wanna a leak on me:a ?: here is the real storyline now that bioware is not canadian anymore. Even the Merican aligned script is in there - and we like the drama with popcorn.


Y'all know what, lets just be honest with ourselves, the storyline is just a nice diversion to get a new angle to pew, pew, pew.

[Drone223]

 

That said I'm hoping all the stuff about humanity is marketing speak, and we won't get more of the Humans Are Special  trope.

Indeed, the ME series needs less of the humans are special trope since there was way too much of that in the trilogy. But unfortunately "This is the story of humanity's next chapter" is a strong indication that its most likely going to be another human centric story.

 

If it wasn't human centric it wouldn't specifically mention humanity and would've said something like "The next chapter in the Mass Effect series."

[von uber]

Oh joy.

 

I cannot wait.

 

 

 

 

 

I literally cannot. ******. Wait. (note to Americans: this is sarcasm).

 

 

 

 

Jesus.

 

 

 

What a pile of un-inventive ****.

 

I feel a bit ashamed to use that clip from a brilliant film, but just trying to give a feeling of the theme of what I read.

 

 

Edit: Actually, if the game even came close to the themes in that it would give me hope. But it won't.

[Shechinah]

I'm sorry, what species are you again?

 

I may find humanity to be interesting in real life but that does not mean I will find humanity in fictional universe to be interesting simply because we are of the same race. Assuming that I will tend to fail to capture my interest in the fictional universe in question because it tends to mean it has nothing of the aspects I find interesting in humanity in real life.  

 

I love the fictional universe of A Song of Ice and Fire. Why? Because it did not assume I'd care about it. Instead it gave me reasons to care by introducing me to an interesting setting featuring interesting cultures and interesting people.
 

[The Elder King]

Some of the Milky Way aliens or more or less confirmed at this point. We've seen Krogan in both concept art and the trailer, and an early rumored leak that is looking more legit with each tidbit of actual information we get, mentioned the Asari and Salarians in Frostbite.

 

That said I'm hoping all the stuff about humanity is marketing speak, and we won't get more of the Humans Are Special  trope. That needs to be left behind with the Milky Way. Given the series track record however, I'm sort of expecting the Ark to be built entirely by humans, and the Krogan and Turians and such needing humans to find them home planets to settle.

I think the colonizations missions are likely separate (expecially for turians and, if they're in, quarians), but at the same time our team will probably involved in some of the other species' problems in the colonization/defence against the Andromeda natives.

[straykat]

Nomadic survivors of a cataclysm looking for a home like they've already been doing for the past 3 centuries? Think Zaal'Koris and his ilk.

Hell, they arguably have the most incentive to be looking for a home in a different galaxy, considering the one they're in is full of people that hate them due to historical/racial prejudice, and who bomb them off of worlds on which they try to settle (e.g. Ekuna). Perhaps this animosity and will for violence wouldn't be present among species in Andromeda, whom presumably don't have a grudge against them because of the geth?

It's not as if it would even be a new development. The narrative on the quarians in Ascension was partially centered around this debate (whether to focus on retaking Rannoch or keep trying to find a new homeworld), and the quarians were sending out multi year long term scouting missions to look for habitable worlds like the Idenna and Cyniad (the latter of which has its own short sidequest in ME2). Have the divergence point before retaking the Homeworld becomes possible in ME3, and interest in Andromeda would be a pretty natural development from this were it possible for them.

"Intelligent, adaptable and technically adept" quarians make more sense in this plot than the "we want to kill all the other MW species" krogan, whom we know are there. Depending on how we get to Andromeda, their knowledge and experience of long term spaceborne living could be very useful to the other species in such an endeavor.

 

I'll just say I'm still curious where they go with it.

 

Thanks for making a case.

[Kabooooom]

Yea, I really hope they don't do the batarians again.

Good post. I agree. One thing I did initially like was the slavery thing in ME2 - at first. I think they ultimately executed the idea poorly. But the Batarians viewed slavery as a part of their culture, and it was presented (on Omega) as a "who are THEY to tell us what is morally right" sort of thing.

They set the stage up for an argument for moral relativism, and I initially assumed that they wouldn't really take a stance on it and let the player decide what was or wasn't right.

Ultimately though, the Batarians became caricatures of everything bad about human nature. They could have been interesting, but they made them rather boring.

[Cainhurst Crow]

No faith in bioware. No faith in the game series you claim to love? Then what are you doing here?

 

I'm here because I like the world of mass effect. The setting, the characters, the races, the aesthetic of the universe, and how its like a greatest hits of old and new science fiction and science fantasy.

 

And I'm waiting for bioware to actually do something to impress me. Dragon Age Inquisiton was a game, while many might not have liked or been impressed with, I at least enjoyed. Mass Effect 3 though, wasn't. Most of the dlcs weren't either. I'm basically waiting to see if Mass Effect can pull itself into a good territory, but so far I've been disappointed by what I see as lazy writing and narrative decisions.

 

I'm waiting for bioware to show me why mass effect as a game series should have any investment, and not remain an old and dead series with a few good ideas.

 

Or in other words,

 

[straykat]

Good post. I agree. One thing I did initially like was the slavery thing in ME2 - at first. I think they ultimately executed the idea poorly. But the Batarians viewed slavery as a part of their culture, and it was presented (on Omega) as a "who are THEY to tell us what is morally right" sort of thing.

They set the stage up for an argument for moral relativism, and I initially assumed that they wouldn't really take a stance on it and let the player decide what was or wasn't right.

Ultimately though, the Batarians became caricatures of everything bad about human nature. They could have been interesting, but they made them rather boring.

 

Batarians were hilarious in how unapologetic and self-righteous they were.

 

I didn't see it as moral relativism though. You can't be relativistic and open to slavery at the same time. One defeats the purpose of the other.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

The difference between then and now is, presumably, we aren't colonizing by choice but instead by necessity. If we don't - extinction.

That could lead to similar moral predicaments involving the "natives", but the context would be different. Is it more okay to forcefully colonize if the alternative is your own death? Or is it equally as morally wrong as forcefully colonizing just for shits, giggles, and pillaging?

this reminds me of what Louis C.K. said.

[Kabooooom]

Batarians were hilarious in how unapologetic and self-righteous they were.

I didn't see it as moral relativism though. You can't be relativistic and open to slavery at the same time. One defeats the purpose of the other.

I meant that I got the impression they were setting up an argument from moral relativism - specifically meta-ethical moral relativism - ie: That in the absence of an objective morality, one cannot technically say a given cultures practices are "less moral" than anothers. This is an extreme view of moral relativism, one I do not personally adhere to. But, it was pretty much the argument that the Batarians on Omega were making - "slavery isnt wrong, its just our culture, quit badgering us about it".

[chris2365]

Here's another thing we might be all overlooking: How in Shepard's name are we going to communicate with the indigenous species of Andromeda?!

 

I mean, depending on where the game starts, we could have just recently entered the Andromeda galaxy. Could the hostility between the species between the Milky way species and the Andromeda species increase dramatically if the races can't even speak to each other?

 

Bioware got around this with Javik in ME3 by giving him that sensory ability which allowed him to get the language right away. Now, what will the Andromeda species have? Maybe Bioware will simply ignore this and set the game a decade or so after reaching Andromeda to enable translation, but if the races are hostile from the get go, this might not be possible. It could add an interesting dynamic to the setting and gameplay. This would really drive home the "stranger in a stranger land" effect Bioware was going for. 

 

Imagine if we got trapped by the Andromeda species in a given spot, and we could only react based on their body language. Attacking could set off a wave of hostility on the planet as we explore, or maybe being diplomatic could backfire and cause them to attack us. Would be interesting to explore further. 

[UniformGreyColor]

"It's not just for your own life, it's for all humanity - the ultimate battle for a place we can all call home."

 

Is it just me, or does this seem like something might have happened to the previous "home" of the humans?

[Kabooooom]

Is it just me, or does this seem like something might have happened to the previous "home" of the humans?

Yeah, most likely invasion by a metric fuckton of Reapers, I'd imagine.

[UniformGreyColor]

Yeah, most likely invasion by a metric fuckton of Reapers, I'd imagine.

 

Never played the previous ME games, well, I almost finished ME 2. Besides, when was this ark suppose to have left anyways?

[SKAR]

I can see why that people won't give BW the benefit of the doubt because they rehashing Western Sci-Fi plots and expecting people to play it like hotcakes. I think they're going to screw up this one.

Come on man. This is Mass Effect we're talkin about. What's wrong with Western sci fi's any way? Firefly was cool. All I'm say I g is that it's Mass Effect. We all played the game, we all loved the game, and Andromeda will get us to fall in love with the series all over again. Also why are we doubting BW again. I'd like to hear a good, solid reason from anyone.