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[Macha'Anu]

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Lol alrighty then

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The problem with that is where do you draw the responsibility line? That is, how many degrees of "directly responsible for blank" do you need before someone isn't responsible anymore?

In this case, one. Again I turn to my example of where it is akin to giving someone with bad intentions nuclear launch codes and them then nuking a city. You are partly responsible because you made the choice to give them the nuclear launch codes. 

 

Solas chose to give Corypheus the orb, not caring for his intentions, where he activated it, or how many would die as a result because that didn't matter. All that mattered to him was his precious orb being unlocked. 

[Macha'Anu]

Im still of the mind that the residents of thedas was doing a fine job of destroying the world themselves. It just seems to matter more cause some once no name elf who turns out to be a elven god tried to utilize that nutty war to his advantadge to finish the job off for the nutty mages and templars and chantry zealots heh. Simply to restore the world he feels he destroyed. its all a matter of how you look at it.I mean the darkspawn is a direct effect of humans pissing off some higher being i guess idk if thats true, the abominations are a direct effect of mages taking the easy route for power, the even genocide thats been going on for longer than solas has been awake is a direct result of all kinds of racism and ignorance of many many citizens of thedas. I would venture to say, He is just finishing what they started and have slowly been accomplishing. I supposed at this point we have to pick which is the worst of the evils.... One just hits a reset button the rest simply destroy everything around them slowly while making all the innocent just want to be left alone people suffer. I always go back to da2 and the chantry explosion. everyone is all gotta start somewhere.... Thats precisely what solas is thinking. Only now, hes inlove with someone who will die as a result nd has feeling for the companions she keeps. Which is to say that can he or will he change his mind and a even greater evil comes out to play and take over where he left off.... Who knows.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

the abominations are a direct effect of mages taking the easy route for power

I have to disagree with this. While it is certainly true that there are mages who become abominations because they want power, that isn't always the case. A prime example is the little girl in Chateau d'Onterre. She was locked away in her room forever because she had magic and her parents didn't want anyone finding out, so was incredibly lonely. She longed to not be alone, so a Desire Demon came to her offering to be that. Not knowing the dangers of demons because she was never educated on them, she saw the demon as just a friend but the demon manipulated and took control of her. 

[Macha'Anu]

I have to disagree with this. While it is certainly true that there are mages who become abominations because they want power, that isn't always the case. A prime example is the little girl in Chateau d'Onterre. She was locked away in her room forever because she had magic and her parents didn't want anyone finding out, so was incredibly lonely. She longed to not be alone, so a Desire Demon came to her offering to be that. Not knowing the dangers of demons because she was never educated on them, she saw the demon as just a friend but the demon manipulated and took control of her. 

oh no worries. Its ok to disagree on it. None the less I still and will always think a lot lot lot of mages are just as much at fault with some of the bad things in thedas as templars and chantry. You dont HAVE to bloodlet and get moar power to win. you can rely on the power you have and find allies with the same frame of mind such as less oppression more independence without bloodletting unbeknownest people and hugging demons. And im not talking about cases like the little girl. I honestly am talking about the umpteen cases of people crossing to the darkside simply for more power. She isnt truly relevant to my reasons as I never even thought of her as one of the dumb mages who made a dumb choice. She truly was a victim of ignorance and fear and in the end she was overcome by her own powers. Shes one of those cases i refer to when talking about chantry ignorance and evil. We gotta try and seperate the victim of circumstance to those like Jowan. Jowan made his choices and he knew it would lead to bad things. Anders knew taking in justice would change him and could turn on him and he knowingly, well, murdered who knows how many innocents. And yet. Many hawkes gave him and kiss and stood by his side.

Orsino had hawke on his side.

Hawke was right there, and he still chose to use demon magic to fight instead of relying on his own skill alone and uniting with allies. I lways try and sympathize with those mages but i jut cannot. Each time we are right there to help then and they still go full blown crazy..... It makes it hard for me, someone who is always a mage, to even side with them sometimes. But then solas comes in, whom is kinda like anders i gues but nah not really, can be romanced, can sympathize but still feels he must do what needs to be done only for me at this point, I see no hope for thedas because in the end nothing will change. we could smush solas all over the pavement and nothing would truly get better. Elves would still be seen lesser than mabari, mages will stil lbe feared and treated as evil who then decided they might as well feed those fears and become evil to win freedom.

Its just this vicous circle and innocents like that little girl, or any innocent harmed by these events suffer death over and over.

[Ieldra]

I see no hope for thedas because in the end nothing will change.

No hope for Thedas to become what? Something else than a world full of people, mageborn and otherwise, who range all the way from the best a human can be to the worst? In that case, I wouldn't want it to change in its basic identity, because that's how people are. There will never be a world without people who'll use their power to others' detriment (as I see it, *having* power isn't a problem, how people use the power they have, that makes the difference), or without people who do their best to mitigate the excesses of those, not until the resources through which our material and emotional wellbeing is realized become unlimited.

 

All you can do is address the issues that make things worse than they could be, and that *can* lead to change, though such changes tend to be gradual, realized in almost infinitesimal steps and thus almost invisible at times, until some day people wake up and realize their world is really so much better than it was a hundred years ago. Or course, rather likely at this point other problems will have materialized that appear just as intractable to the people of the present as the historical ones appeared to the people of their time.

 

Of course in stories changes can be more dramatic, but not if a change in human nature would be required. Even assuming the best possible development, there will still be people who'd use their power to the detriment of others. Make a world where there is less perceived need for such actions, however, and they will be much rarer. 

 

Edit:

BTW, there is no particular virtue in a "hard" way to acquire power compared to an "easy" way. How hard or easy something is to acquire is completely irrelevant as long as it is actually the same, and you'd be a fool to take the longer way if the result is no different than after taking the easy way. To think otherwise is a conceit of Protestant work ethics. The only difference is that things that actually need a lot of work to acquire are naturally valued higher in an economic sense. Still, the difference has no moral dimension. Powering your magic by human sacrifice would just be as evil if the ability to do that were very hard to acquire - and yes, some people would still do it if the reward was high enough.

[Macha'Anu]

No hope for Thedas to become what? Something else than a world full of people, mageborn and otherwise, who range all the way from the best a human can be to the worst? In that case, I wouldn't want it to change in its basic identity, because that's how people are. There will never be a world without people who'll use their power to others' detriment (as I see it, *having* power isn't a problem, how people use the power they have, that makes the difference), or without people who do their best to mitigate the excesses of those, not until the resources through which our material and emotional wellbeing is realized become unlimited.

 

All you can do is address the issues that make things worse than they could be, and that *can* lead to change, though such changes tend to be gradual, realized in almost infinitesimal steps and thus almost invisible at times, until some day people wake up and realize their world is really so much better than it was a hundred years ago. Or course, rather likely at this point other problems will have materialized that appear just as intractable to the people of the present as the historical ones appeared to the people of their time.

 

Of course in stories changes can be more dramatic, but not if a change in human nature would be required. Even assuming the best possible development, there will still be people who'd use their power to the detriment of others. Make a world where there is less perceived need for such actions, however, and they will be much rarer. 

 

Edit:

BTW, there is no particular virtue in a "hard" way to acquire power compared to an "easy" way. How hard or easy something is to acquire is completely irrelevant as long as it is actually the same, and you'd be a fool to take the longer way if the result is no different than after taking the easy way. To think otherwise is a conceit of Protestant work ethics. The only difference is that things that actually need a lot of work to acquire are naturally valued higher in an economic sense. Still, the difference has no moral dimension. Powering your magic by human sacrifice would just be as evil if the ability to do that were very hard to acquire - and yes, some people would still do it if the reward was high enough.

I only addressed it because all ive seen here is how some are saying solas is the ultimate genocidal maniac but honestly thedas is chockfull of genocidal maniacs.

I would like to hope that thedas will get better but lets be honest. Thats not biowares agenda. its apprent that with each game more and more of the world is torn. by magic, by human corruption. I think the ultimate goal is for the reset to happen.

And i am an absolute super fan of the franchise be even I can call a spade a spade. I don't say it out of disrespect or anything. Its just how I feel. Poor thedas has been the battlefield for all kinds of crazy things. And quite honestly if hell is unleashed it would take years and years to get back to that peaceful time.

And yes im well aware that there will always be those who use their power for bad but atm where we are in the games and the world itself, its kinna outta control. wouldnt ya say? Its like every time we turn around someones slitting a wrist here dealin with demons there. its everywhere heh. and lets not even mention the chantry and their own special kinda evils. templars too.

But on the real i only pointed out all the bad to show that solas is no worse than everyone else in thedas. Trying to rectify a wrong. with another wrong. Thats all.

I would still try and redeem him http://soundcloud.co...ie/01-the-swamp but its unlikely bioware has that planned. He'll probably die too heh. nyway its late. Sleep well or have a good day.

[Ieldra]

I think I'll just input one more time that I'm not comfortable with passing judgement on Solas just yet. I mean, I get that he mentioned destroying the current world and that itself may be enough to deserve condemnation, but I'm missing too much data to be comfortable with any kind of definitive judgment as of now.

Indeed so. I'd like to add that "not passing judgment" will not preclude me from trying to stop him.

[Ieldra]

@Macha'Anu:

I think our image of Thedas is a little distorted because the conflicts and atrocities were the focus of the stories. Compare that to the real world: if you made a story featuring, say, forced prostitution, you'd notice it's really ubiquitous, but still the great majority of people won't ever have any contact with either perpetrators nor victims.

 

So yes, Thedas' magical evils are ubiquitous, but still most people will remain unaffected by them. If you want evils that are really everywhere in a way that most people are affected by them, they're of the social kind: racial and economic stratification, inequality before the law and oppression.

 

In fact, these are ubiquitous enough that I'd destroy a civilization because of them, if I could only believe that what comes after would be in any way better. Solas' case is a little more fundamental, though: it's not just about how people are affected, but about the nature of reality.

[Seraphim24]

There will never be a world without people who'll use their power to others' detriment (as I see it, *having* power isn't a problem, how people use the power they have, that makes the difference)

 

All you can do is address the issues that make things worse than they could be, and that *can* lead to change, though such changes tend to be gradual, realized in almost infinitesimal steps and thus almost invisible at times, until some day people wake up and realize their world is really so much better than it was a hundred years ago. 

 

Well, I don't think either of these things are true. 

 

This kind of gets to the crux of the problem, we've been waiting like hundreds if not thousands years for certain kinds of people to "grow up" and understand basic humanity 101, but in the meantime millions if not billions of people have suffered for no other reason than that we should "wait for them to get it."

 

This theory of gradualism is cutting the human (and really even all forms of life) potential to evolve, not to mention most people's lifespans in half. 

 

From my perspective, permitting this extended fantasy of a 6 year old trapped in an X year old body does violence and harm to those who have matured beyond a 2nd grade world view, and is therefore at least somewhat unconscionable. We don't punish as a society this "permissiveness" regardless of whether it causes more damage than an active role. 

[Ieldra]

Well, I don't think either of these things are true. 

 

This kind of gets to the crux of the problem, we've been waiting like hundreds if not thousands years for certain kinds of people to "grow up" and understand basic humanity 101, but in the meantime millions if not billions of people have suffered for no other reason than that we should "wait for them to get it."

 

This theory of gradualism is cutting the human (and really even all forms of life) potential to evolve, not to mention most people's lifespans in half. 

 

From my perspective, permitting this extended fantasy of a 6 year old trapped in an X year old body does violence and harm to those who have matured beyond a 2nd grade world view, and is therefore at least somewhat unconscionable. We don't punish as a society this "permissiveness" regardless of whether it causes more damage than an active role. 

Er...I have no idea how this is a reply to what I wrote. I think you misunderstood my post. I did not propose to not intervene in order to mitigate a society's evils, but that most interventions result in very small changes that may add up over time to result in something significant. Gradual change is not something to aim for, it's just the most likely path, given human nature and the reality of the political process. Attempts to speed things up by revolution are equally likely to result in two steps back. 

 

Besides, evolution is an *extremely* gradual process, so much so that it lags behind even our already slow-paced cultural and social development. In fact, the slow pace of evolution is a major hindrance to it. So really, what exactly were you attempting to say?

[Seraphim24]

Er...I have no idea how this is a reply to what I wrote. I think you misunderstood my post. I did not propose to not intervene in order to mitigate a society's evils, but that most interventions result in very small changes that may add up over time to result in something significant. Gradual change is not something to aim for, it's just the most likely path, given human nature and the reality of the political process. Attempts to speed things up by revolution are equally likely to result in two steps back. 

 

Besides, evolution is an *extremely* gradual process, so much so that it lags behind even our already slow-paced cultural and social development. In fact, the slow pace of evolution is a major hindrance to it. So really, what exactly were you attempting to say?

 

Well I think you misunderstood my post, because your "solution" I kind of view as a tacit approval of the very same system. In a different context, this is exactly my problem with Solas, his solution comes from his own problem-riddled mindset. 

 

I also was just picking at all your latent assumptions about human nature, the "political process" and other things, all tacitly designed to fuel the notion that everything can only be done at a snails pace. 

 

Which, I see as simply canvassing for snails, it's highly and densely hidden, buried beneath reams of other things, but that's what I see, since it's not on the surface, I imagine that's what gave you the impression that I was responding to something else entirely. 

 

I don't dislike snails, but I'm not sure why we bend over backwards for them. 

 

If we refuse to believe that there is latent powerful human energy, capable of overwhelming our problems, then anything can just be justified as "slow," "the way things are," and a dozen other gimmicks designed to lull people into a state which disadvantages ultimately everyone. 

 

Evolution  may be slow, but human achievements can and have eclipsed the sphere of biological limitation from time to time. They can't exist in the sphere of sluggardry, though, they occur despite our "systems," not because of them. 

[Ieldra]

@Guinevere:

Meanwhile, I couldn't disagree more strongly with your implicit assumption that everyone who's not a revolutionary is a supporter of the status quo. That way lies a kind of intolerant extremism I will never ally with regardless of its goals. it's the kind of mindset that turned the French revolution into a reign of terror.

 

Regarding Solas, I must admit I don't understand your position at all. Your statement makes no sense to me, to a degree that I wouldn't even know how to address it because I have no idea what it's actually meant to express.  

[midnight tea]

The problem with that is where do you draw the responsibility line? That is, how many degrees of "directly responsible for blank" do you need before someone isn't responsible anymore?

 

Oh no, looks like Elaina's anxiety about the possessed wolves made her have an argument with Dennet, now they're getting divorced. That argument was a direct consequence of the wolves, which were a direct consequence of the Breach, was a direct consequence of Solas giving Corypheus the Orb! Curse you Solas, destroyer of families!

 

OR

 

Oh no, it seems many people suffered and died because of the Breach, which was a direct consequence of Solas giving Corypheus the Orb, which was a direct consequence of Solas not being powerful enough to unlock it, which was a direct consequence of him expending his energy trapping the Evanuris away, which was a direct consequence of them killing Mythal, which was a direct consequence of... a few thousand years earlier... which was a direct consequence of the Maker creating the world! Curse you, Maker, ruining things since the beginning of time!

 

In short: "In the beginning the world was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has widely been regarded as a bad move."

 

So basically:

 

 

 

I vote for making the same meme for Solas!

[Lezio]

Exactly. Corypheus already has his Venatori and some Red Templars, and his plan to use the Wardens to make a demon army was in the works long before Solas gave him the orb. The suffering inflicted by them is on them.

 

Not necessarily. I'd be horrified is a bunch of cats got asploded Bah, I'm getting all teary-eyed just thinking about it.

Spoiler

The problem with that is where do you draw the responsibility line? That is, how many degrees of "directly responsible for blank" do you need before someone isn't responsible anymore?

 

Oh no, looks like Elaina's anxiety about the possessed wolves made her have an argument with Dennet, now they're getting divorced. That argument was a direct consequence of the wolves, which were a direct consequence of the Breach, was a direct consequence of Solas giving Corypheus the Orb! Curse you Solas, destroyer of families!

 

OR

 

Oh no, it seems many people suffered and died because of the Breach, which was a direct consequence of Solas giving Corypheus the Orb, which was a direct consequence of Solas not being powerful enough to unlock it, which was a direct consequence of him expending his energy trapping the Evanuris away, which was a direct consequence of them killing Mythal, which was a direct consequence of... a few thousand years earlier... which was a direct consequence of the Maker creating the world! Curse you, Maker, ruining things since the beginning of time!

 

In short: "In the beginning the world was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has widely been regarded as a bad move."

 

I agree with the first part of your post, even though we don't think just how much time Cory took to put his plans into motion and how the orb affected such plans, but i don't with the latter.

I could understand it if we were blaming Solas for destroying the world of the elves and causing the Magisters' rise would be a stretch, it would be far too indirect to be believable. But we're not doing that, we're blaming Solas for what evil Cory did with the orb because he is to blame

 

Guy woke up after centuries of sleep, he didn't care about finding the good of the new civilization, or even tyring to understand it, and just focused on the bad and what his Maker-forsaken walks in the Fade told him.

 

Then, fueled by arrogance("i can handle that idiot Magister whom, just now, could crush me like a bug. He can't possibly be able to outplay me"), ignorance("I don't need to get some data on this very powerful being, things will work as planned") and a desire to rush things ahead("after centuries of sleep, and this world managing just fine without me and my buddies Evanuris, why should i wait some more time to prepare a better plan/regain my powers/getting better acquainted with this unknown world"), he risked his own freaking plans by giving a maniac something he knew would cause a very bad explosion (and possibly even worse since, y'know, Cory is tainted).

 

Solas: "Those mages knew nothing of my friend. Worse, they did not care."  Ironic, really, that the mages in his quest are basically a mirror of Solas himself

 

As i said many times, he didn't care about the consequence of his actions, all he cared about was furthering his plan, and, seeing how he handled the whole thing, i'm not surprised it failed so badly

[IllustriousT]

So basically:

 

 

 

I vote for making the same meme for Solas!

 

And so it shall be:

 

[Sah291]

Well I think you misunderstood my post, because your "solution" I kind of view as a tacit approval of the very same system. In a different context, this is exactly my problem with Solas, his solution comes from his own problem-riddled mindset. 

Could you explain what you mean? Do you think that he is intending to replace one oppressive system for another (the old world ruled by the ancient elves, in fact)? And that he is simply a reactionary to the same current status quo?

[Ellawynn]

I don't really know why even calling Solas out as this kind of genocidalist motivated for spurious reasons individual is so complicated... I mean that's what he is, it really shouldn't be controversial.

 

I'm pretty sure that was Weekes point in writing in the character wasn't to not make him into this superevil person, he was basically intending to make this kind of supervillain sort of figure (i.e. Hitler) and attemping to discern more complex motivations, interests, points, trying to see it from their perspective, etc. 

 

Ultimately I think by DA4, or, whatever, it will be clear that A) Solas is a terrible person but B ) That shouldn't erase whatever good they were capable of doing, either., and perhaps see what drove such acts, and whether it could be prevented in the future.

 

In order for that to happen though, it needs to be clear that he is unambiguously evil, and as far as I can tell, they succeeded absolutely in creating that impression. 

 

Because, you know, that's kind of how the world actually works, and not the artificial purview of historians and agendas. 

 

What even? I'm pretty sure if the devs wanted Solas to come off as unambiguously evil (Much less succeed) then we would not, in fact, be having a discussion on whether or not Solas is unambiguously evil. The fact that there are people who disagree and defend him as a good person with a bad plan pretty much exposes that entire statement as false.

 

And this is setting aside all the comments the writers have made like "Solas cares about people" and "It was important to us that the player doesn't see him as just a villain."

 

Honestly people.

[Ellawynn]

I agree with the first part of your post, even though we don't think just how much time Cory took to put his plans into motion and how the orb affected such plans, but i don't with the latter.

I could understand it if we were blaming Solas for destroying the world of the elves and causing the Magisters' rise would be a stretch, it would be far too indirect to be believable. But we're not doing that, we're blaming Solas for what evil Cory did with the orb because he is to blame

 

Guy woke up after centuries of sleep, he didn't care about finding the good of the new civilization, or even tyring to understand it, and just focused on the bad and what his Maker-forsaken walks in the Fade told him.

 

Then, fueled by arrogance("i can handle that idiot Magister whom, just now, could crush me like a bug. He can't possibly be able to outplay me"), 

Also, for the record - Corypheus did not "outplay" Solas. Corypheus didn't even know Solas existed, and likely didn't know that the Orb was purposefully delivered to him. Corypheus isn't some master schemer - he's an idiot with a remarkable ability to not die, and ability that fooled Wardens and even previous player characters into accidentally helping him. The fact that his plans fell apart after a few prods from the Inquisitor (Who, by the way, is more-or-less Solas' tool to take care of Corypheus - so, you know, not being outplayed there either.) shows that he didn't know what he was doing.

 

I... I just sincerely do not get how anyone could possibly get mad at someone for not thinking "Hey, I think this mutant-y chap here might have the ability to body hop and thus survive giant magical explosions! Hmm, best rethink this plan then." Who would possibly come to that conclusion out of the blue? 

 

If you're gonna condemn Solas for that, then you have to condemn Hawke and the Wardens as well, because they fell for the same impossible-to-even-catch-really trap.

[rapscallioness]

Solas is hardly to blame for all the ills of Thedas. But we're not gonna sit idly by while he adds his BS to the pile. To hell with Solas and the Evanuris. They had their shot. They screwed it up, and they were nothing but smug, slaver filth that look down their noses at everybody else, and abused their power.

 

Sounds very familiar. Sounds like alot of situations in modern Thedas. This Time before the Veil was no better than current society. These ancient elves and all that were no better than the current inhabitants of Thedas. Though let them tell it, they're better than you.

 

There are other genocidal maniacs, and abusers of power in Thedas. When they flare up, our job has always been to find a way to put them down like the dogs they are. Solas is no different.

[midnight tea]

Also, for the record - Corypheus did not "outplay" Solas. Corypheus didn't even know Solas existed, and likely didn't know that the Orb was purposefully delivered to him. Corypheus isn't some master schemer - he's an idiot with a remarkable ability to not die, and ability that fooled Wardens and even previous player characters into accidentally helping him. The fact that his plans fell apart after a few prods from the Inquisitor (Who, by the way, is more-or-less Solas' tool to take care of Corypheus - so, you know, not being outplayed there either.) shows that he didn't know what he was doing.

 

I... I just sincerely do not get how anyone could possibly get mad at someone for not thinking "Hey, I think this mutant-y chap here might have the ability to body hop and thus survive giant magical explosions! Hmm, best rethink this plan then." Who would possibly come to that conclusion out of the blue? 

 

If you're gonna condemn Solas for that, then you have to condemn Hawke and the Wardens as well, because they fell for the same impossible-to-even-catch-really trap.

 

I wouldn't personally call Corypheus an idiot - he's a pretty good schemer who used weaknesses in the South to almost conquer it with a huge army consisting mostly of South's self-declared protectors, boosted by demons and almost managed to get Celene assassinated. That's not just pure dumb luck that his plans almost came to fruition.

 

Still, it's preposterous to claim that Corypheus "outplayed" Solas - in fact he actually played right into his hands and done exactly what Solas likely predicted him to do: being a power-hungry maniac bent on elevating himself to godhood he pried open an orb containing powers he hardly understands and promptly gets himself blown up. The only thing that saved him was his body-hopping ability, which, from the looks of it, not even Cory himself really understands.

[rapscallioness]

Where did Cory body jump to? Everybody but Cory and Inquisitor died at the Conclave. Unless he body jumped to one of those Wardens and then just ran away?

[Heimdall]

Where did Cory body jump to? Everybody but Cory and Inquisitor died at the Conclave. Unless he body jumped to one of those Wardens and then just ran away?

I think Morrigan or someone mentions that Corypheus' ability has no range limitations, so he could have jumped to any warden. He probably had some nearby though, which is how he was able to retrieve the orb.

[Ellawynn]

Where did Cory body jump to? Everybody but Cory and Inquisitor died at the Conclave. Unless he body jumped to one of those Wardens and then just ran away?

 

He already had some Wardens under his control. He probably just hopped to one that was far enough from the explosion - even if that particular Warden didn't follow him (And was surrounded by other Wardens that didn't follow him) who in their right mind would think "Larry's acting a bit odd. Clearly he's been possessed by a Darkspawn Magister that died in that Conclave explosion."

 

Like, generally when you kill something, it dies. I can't blame anyone for not thinking otherwise.

[German Soldier]

We do, actually. We know the Evanuris fought the Titans and done something bad to them and possibly the dwarves. We know that Solas was there, frantically shutting the ancient mine (which we visit in Trespasser), to prevent some sort of "angry energy" from escaping, and leaves a rune - MILLENIA before Inquisition and even prior to his rebellion - with description that deems Evanuris responsible for doing something that would eventually destroy the world if they won't be stopped. From hints in the game we also know that Solas also appears to know a lot about both Evanuris and the Blight itself. That you don't believe him at this point appears to be sort of a given - trying to convince you seems like wasted effort, just like it seems to be a wasted effort to point out that (again) you ignore the "saving the world (even if it came at expense of Elvenhan)" part to completely overfocus on destruction.

You are accusing beings(The Evanuris) that you don't know about something that you don't know based on speculations grasped from Solas perspective of what could have been if the veil was not created.
Those are just speculations of the speculations.