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[Shechinah]

There are a lot of controversial characters in DA noone has this amount of pages in a general discussion thread.

 

What about Anders and what he did?

[Patricia08]

There are a lot of controversial characters in DA noone has this amount of pages in a general discussion thread.

 

I agree with you and Dragongirl24 even in the character discussion forum Solas is by far the most discussed character a good second is Cullen and third is Sera and the rest are so far behind and i guess i'm not sure of course the most topics made were about Solas that will not say that he is the most popular character out there but on the other hand i think he is and by that i mean the most popular one.  

[Sah291]

What about Anders and what he did?

Still generates debate from time to time, years later. But his character thread no where near reached the 6k page mark (and counting) that Solas' has.

Liked or not, Solas is pretty popular and hotly debated, so I'd say the character was successful so far.

I think his plans are bigger and far out weigh what Anders did though, or any other major companion/character so far.

[midnight tea]

Still generates debate from time to time, years later. But his character thread no where near reached the 6k page mark (and counting) that Solas' has.

Liked or not, Solas is pretty popular and hotly debated, so I'd say the character was successful so far.

I think his plans are bigger and far out weigh what Anders did though, or any other major companion/character so far.

 

That, plus he's connected to plot-line and the world in far more ways than Corypheus ever was - the bringer of the Blight after his unfortunate trip to the Golden City.

 

Solas is not only responsible for pretty much creating Thedas we know today and threatens to change it again - he was there when the Evanuris ruled the world and knows many secrets Thedas has lost or forgotten. He's such a pivotal character to the entire franchise that he can be connected, or has to be taken into consideration, in many discussions, especially those surrounding the lore or nature of Thedas. I mean, we can totally play "six degrees of Solas", where almost every topic we discuss could ultimately be connected with him some way

[Patricia08]

I wonder if we are going to kill him in the next Dragon Age game because of his "popularity" we cannot just "simply' kill him i wonder how Bioware is going to pull that one of.  

[Almostfaceman]

Well...I think I'd expect Solas to do some research into the nature of the person he was to gift his orb. He can be excused, maybe, for not anticipating Corypheus' relative immortality, but I'd still say he made an avoidable mistake by not doing his research, especially since he slept for centuries and was probably completely ignorant of the Blight, and I'd expect him to be rather good at ferreting out secrets.

 

And how would he plausibly ferret out this one? 

 

Edit: Makes me wonder how much of a secret Bioware has to make a characters background for a player to come along and buy into that secrecy. 

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 12 mai 2016 - 12:23 .

[Almostfaceman]

I can for the simple reason that nobody observed Corypheus in his ghost state and how much that state is sustainable in the physical world, they simply imply that it has no limit of durability into a ghost state(no range limit) which contradict the DA lore since souls can't afford to remain alone in the world.

 

This is a head canon problem you have, not a legitimate problem with the veracity of the Well information. 

[Mistic]

Still generates debate from time to time, years later. But his character thread no where near reached the 6k page mark (and counting) that Solas' has.

Liked or not, Solas is pretty popular and hotly debated, so I'd say the character was successful so far.

I think his plans are bigger and far out weigh what Anders did though, or any other major companion/character so far.

 

Anders could count if we add how many times he, his actions and mage-related ideology were commented in those long Mage-Templar threads.

 

Still, no one can deny that Solas is very successful as a character. If anything, the DA setting lacked an interesting antagonist that went beyond the "big monster you have to kill because reasons" or "person who goes mad because reasons" types (or survived long enough to become the Big Bad). They didn't challenge players' assumptions or thoughts, or if they did it was all conveniently left behind with a twist that made them mere punching bags.

 

Whether you agree with him or not, whether you sympathize with him or not, whether you believe his words or not, Solas is the kind of controversial character Bioware loves. Controversy is good (as long as it is in-universe controversy, not out-universe, as the developers of ME3 soon found out). It makes fans want to discuss the game and makes them interested in the sequel.

 

Of course, there's also the pesky realization that Bioware tends to squander controversies in favour of the easy way out (the Mage-Templar war being the most triumphant example), although they compensate it by providing new hot topics. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if by the time we're waiting for DA5 Solas was "old news" as much as Anders is nowadays.

[Ieldra]

Still generates debate from time to time, years later. But his character thread no where near reached the 6k page mark (and counting) that Solas' has.

His character thread may not have been that big, but I distinctly recall a thread about his actions having had several thousand pages.

[Ieldra]

Of course, there's also the pesky realization that Bioware tends to squander controversies in favour of the easy way out (the Mage-Templar war being the most triumphant example), although they compensate it by providing new hot topics. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if by the time we're waiting for DA5 Solas was "old news" as much as Anders is nowadays.

That's because they aren't actually interested in those hot topics themselves, rather than the drama it creates. If a topic has been milked for drama until nobody wants more of it - as people got sick of the mage/templar debates over the years - it will be dropped like a hot potato, and an easy solution will be written so that people can now dismiss it and focus on the new topic whose potential for drama hasn't yet been exhausted.

 

I find this rather disappointing.

[Sah291]

Anders could count if we add how many times he, his actions and mage-related ideology were commented in those long Mage-Templar threads.

 

Maybe, but then there would be overlap, because the Veil deals with magic in Thedas, and then add in all the debates about elves.

I do see some similar themes and parallels with Anders (actually moreso with Hawke but that's a topic for another post). I think DAI continuned on where DA2 left off thematically at least, even if dropping some of the major plot points like the mage/templar war.

I also find it disappointing that the mage/templar war was resolved so quickly/easily...but then again, considering we got a new protagonist for DAI, I'm glad they did move on to a new plot, or I would have been pulling my hair out.

 

His character thread may not have been that big, but I distinctly recall a thread about his actions having had several thousand pages.

Yeah I think I know the one you mean. I meant to say that Anders was and still is a popular topic of debate, even years later since that game was released.. But Solas seems to be just as popular/infamous, if not more, and will likely continue to be talked about/debated for a long time.

Unlike Solas though, Anders' character arc didn't end in a cliffhanger between games, and he had a pretty final ending with the PC being able to kill him.

[Mistic]

That's because they aren't actually interested in those hot topics themselves, rather than the drama it creates. If a topic has been milked for drama until nobody wants more of it - as people got sick of the mage/templar debates over the years - it will be dropped like a hot potato, and an easy solution will be written so that people can now dismiss it and focus on the new topic whose potential for drama hasn't yet been exhausted.

 

Yes, I think that's a perfect definition of it. The "soap opera" effect.

 

It doesn't make me very optimistic about Solas' role in DA4. Optimistic as in "they will give him the chance to explain himself and give the PC the chance to have a proper dialogue to explore the options" vs. "Solas says deep-sounding vague nonsense until he throws a twist like 'The Titans are dormant Reapers', then becomes sick with red lyrium madness". That he lives or dies, or has a chance to meet the Inquisitor again or not, are very secondary matters (a narratively sensible death is better than a cheap cop out, and not every Inquisitor out there cares about Solas' explanations).

 

Time will tell, I guess.

 

I also find it disappointing that the mage/templar war was resolved so quickly/easily...but then again, considering we got a new protagonist for DAI, I'm glad they did move on to a new plot, or I would have been pulling my hair out.

 

Agreed. However, that also serves as a warning for everyone who is invested in the Inquisitor and Solas' plot. DA4 could change the game again, and the result might not be bad at all.

[The Elder King]

There are a lot of controversial characters in DA noone has this amount of pages in a general discussion thread.

 

 

Still generates debate from time to time, years later. But his character thread no where near reached the 6k page mark (and counting) that Solas' has.

Liked or not, Solas is pretty popular and hotly debated, so I'd say the character was successful so far.

I think his plans are bigger and far out weigh what Anders did though, or any other major companion/character so far.

Regardless of who's more popular between them (I think Solas probably is), Anders's discussion were mixed a lot (to put it mildly) in the hundreds of mage-templar threads, even in DAI's development. He was probably more discussed in those then in its own thread. And with the type of discussion he had about him his thread would've been closed dozens of times. 

On the last phrase, Solas' plans and plots  are obviously bigger then any companions, and probably almost/All characters, since it'd completely change Thedas. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Which conveniently served the plot for the sole reason that he brought his dragon on the final assault otherwise farewell to the strategy...

 

I can for the simple reason that nobody observed Corypheus in his ghost state and how much that state is sustainable in the physical world, they simply imply that it has no limit of durability into a ghost state(no range limit) which contradict the DA lore since souls can't afford to remain alone in the world.

I'm not sure where you're getting this "ghost state" from. This was never mentioned ingame. He is in a body, then he's in another body. No ghosts are at play

[Fiskrens]

Which conveniently served the plot for the sole reason that he brought his dragon on the final assault otherwise farewell to the strategy...

Sorry, but I fail to see how bringing your best weapon with you to battle is "serving the plot". Corypheus can't as far as I know be aware of that Inky knows of his secret nor that they have Morrigan as dragon at hand. So as far as he knows, the dragon should give him the upper edge in battle.

 

Besides, it's very common to keep your most important secret close by at all times, just to make sure it's guarded.

[Lezio]

Sorry, but I fail to see how bringing your best weapon with you to battle is "serving the plot". Corypheus can't as far as I know be aware of that Inky knows of his secret nor that they have Morrigan as dragon at hand. So as far as he knows, the dragon should give him the upper edge in battle.
 
Besides, it's very common to keep your most important secret close by at all times, just to make sure it's guarded.

Not if (Cory heard the rumors that) the Inquisitor slayed something like 10 dragons

The final battle is very strange, from Corypheus wasting his powers creating a floating arena to the cheapening of the whole "Well Of Sorrows" plot (in the end it was there just for the Mythal reveal, i don't think the Inquisition's dragon even damages the fake Archdemon's wings [like Riordan did in Origins])

[Ieldra]

And how would he plausibly ferret out this one? 

 

Edit: Makes me wonder how much of a secret Bioware has to make a characters background for a player to come along and buy into that secrecy. 

The problem is that Solas isn't just your run-of-the-mill mage. I wouldn't expect this from just anyone, but the one who outwitted the Evanuris and lead a successful rebellion against mages of god-like power, yes, of such a person I expect more.

 

But then, Bioware hasn't been good at writing smart characters after BG2. Too much focus on drama I guess, and the intellect is left at the wayside.

[Fiskrens]

Not if (Cory heard the rumors that) the Inquisitor slayed something like 10 dragons

You have a point there, but I'm willing to look in the other direction on that matter since the alternative would be to not having any other dragons to slay prior to this battle .

The final battle is very strange, from Corypheus wasting his powers creating a floating arena to the cheapening of the whole "Well Of Sorrows" plot (in the end it was there just for the Mythal reveal, i don't think the Inquisition's dragon even damages the fake Archdemon's wings [like Riordan did in Origins])

Yup, there's a lot to say about the final battle. But at least I don't find it far-fetched that the lyrium dragon's in it (apart from that above).

[Lezio]

You have a point there, but I'm willing to look in the other direction on that matter since the alternative would be to not having any other dragons to slay prior to this battle .
Yup, there's a lot to say about the final battle. But at least I don't find it far-fetched that the lyrium dragon's in it (apart from that above).

 

Amen   

[BansheeOwnage]

I also find it disappointing that the mage/templar war was resolved so quickly/easily...but then again, considering we got a new protagonist for DAI, I'm glad they did move on to a new plot, or I would have been pulling my hair out.

This is why I'm skeptical about DA4. At this point it seems like they'll either make Solas into the mage-templar war 2.0 and resolve it early on in a non-satisfying way (although I doubt it), or they'll have a new protagonist face-off against him for the game. Both of those options are a waste of a very interesting story in my opinion.

[BansheeOwnage]

 

But then, Bioware hasn't been good at writing smart characters after BG2. Too much focus on drama I guess, and the intellect is left at the wayside.

I'd really like Bioware to let our protagonists be smart and knowledgeable.

[midnight tea]

The problem is that Solas isn't just your run-of-the-mill mage. I wouldn't expect this from just anyone, but the one who outwitted the Evanuris and lead a successful rebellion against mages of god-like power, yes, of such a person I expect more.

 

Well, it's one thing to expect more and then expect impossible or near-impossible. Solas might have outwitted 6 powerful god-kings, but he did it "on his own turf" so to speak, in a world he knew, not changed by Veil, Blights and thousands of years of history and whoever knows how many powers that want to resurface now. The Magisters, Old Gods, Evanuris, Titans, Flemeth... and who knows if not a Maker or Maker-like figure on too of that

 

I still can't really make sense out of that: http://dragonage.wik...severance_(bow)

[Xerrai]

I'd really like Bioware to let our protagonists be smart and knowledgeable.

I know what you mean. To make my Inquisitor seem at least a little bit smarter than the average dolt, I always have to get (at least) the arcane knowledge perk.

 

It's presented to be a perk that increased our knowledge of the arcane and relates subjects, but it always astounds me how it adds to her common sense and obvious deduction skills.

[midnight tea]

I'd really like Bioware to let our protagonists be smart and knowledgeable.

 

Eh, I suppose no RPG will ever make people happy in that regard. I either hear people complaining that the protag is not smart enough OR they're Mary Sues and they know everything and everything comes easy for them. I obviously can think of things I'd do differently with either my HoF or Inky, especially in hindsight, but overall I'm not unhappy.

[midnight tea]

I know what you mean. To make my Inquisitor seem at least a little bit smarter than the average dolt, I always have to get (at least) the arcane knowledge perk.

 

It's presented to be a perk that increased our knowledge of the arcane and relates subjects, but it always astounds me how it adds to her common sense and obvious deduction skills.

 

I think that's sort of the point of perks I always unlock them at the very start, whenever I get a perk point.