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[Almostfaceman]

*sigh* If you really feel so strongly about the "Magic should not exist anymore" debacle, then I encourage you to make a thread on the matter. Just as you will attract people who will disagree with you, you can find some who agree with you and your theories.

 

But by this point the argument has become quite grating given the somewhat repetitive nature of your statements. This in addition to the fact that this in a thread that is essentially about Solas. Now it's not like this thread hasn't deviated before, but this has been going on for since page 116, and with barely any traction on either end.  So I suggest a separate thread.

 

Agreed. Take it to a new thread or something. I'll do my part and stop responding to stuff off-topic. Or I'll try really, really, hard. 

[German Soldier]

I don't buy the theory of Solas saving the world from the Evanuris because i don't have any reason to do so and even if that would be proved to be the truth that just show that the world was threaten even by the Evanuris.

 

The extinction of an entire race,the several blights,the collapse of the breach(world destruction) and Solas ultimate plan are nothing?

All these things are tied with magic and they caused  immeasurable disasters and have the potential to cause only disasters and destructions.

What are the benefits for all these potential risks?That a slight minority will continue to perform spells?That's not even comparable to  the benefits technology provided IRL.

There are a lot of NPC(a good majority  of the population) within the setting of Thedas that share my point of view and perceive mages as to be inherently dangerous particularly those who  have the potential to destroy the planet like Solas.

[Macha'Anu]

 

These weapons (which obviously are at disposition only of governments not of single individuals) can't destroy an entire planet they don't even come close to  the future of Redcliffe which was the annihilation of the globe between two merged realities from a hole into the veil.

 

I really REALLY hope you don't think only a gubberment agency can or will use nuclear weps........ Surely You don't honestly believe that.....

Oh man I think im going to follow suit with the others and bow out of entertaining the back and forth anymore. its not solving anything and just going in circles. Lets get back to talking about Solas and ho we all want to try and redeem him cause Its Gareth David Loyd.... I personally liked solas from the start for that sole reason. heh

[Aren]

You can easily report the issue on a new topic and propose a stronger veil as a solution to all mages.

Magic provided some benefits  but i wonder if magic did so at the detriment of the technological advancement since for all of the dislike towards the Qunari there is no denying that they seem to be more advanced.

[dawnstone]

Gonna save mah bae.

Gonna watch the world burn either way.

 

DA4: dwarves vs. elves the rematch. Just you wait bi@tches.

 

 

Everyone will be just like they were.

[BansheeOwnage]

No offense but I think it's pretty pointless to engage in any more discussion here... anything that isn't pro Biodrone Solas is bad and that's all there is to it it's been a waste of time.. 

 

For what it's worth I wasn't sure in retrospect which quoted passage Banshee was referring to since she quoted a bunch, so I hid the post, obviously too late though for people looking for conflict... 

To be fair, we weren't even directly talking about Solas, we were talking about tranquil, the nature of magic, and the consequences of eradicating all magic/mages.

 

I'm quite exhausted by this back and forth, but I don't think any of you have to worry about him being a central character going forward. I'm pretty sure Bioware has an eye towards making him a focus so I hope you all enjoy that, and all. 

Honest advice: If it's exhausting, take a break. That's some advice I should listen to myself more often when it comes to threads that tire me out. No one is forcing you to stay.

 

 

How could it be childish if it's Banshee that made the statement? See what I mean there's just no winning here no matter what, as I say, waste of time... 

Wait, now I'm confused...

 

 

Persons able to destroy an entire globe, does not exist IRL but they do in Thedas,these persons can end all life forms at their whims their mere existence is a threat and one can close the eyes just because they need to have magical powers.

I could be wrong, but I don't recall there ever being a single mage in Dragon Age who can "end all life forms at their whim", on their own, using only their innate normal/magical abilities. Not even Corypheus, who only got as far as he did using the Orb of Destruction to open Breaches. But that magi-tech is actually a lot more comparable to our nuclear weapons, since it's a tool that a person has to (mis)use to have any negative effect. Corypheus couldn't threaten the world just by being a mage. And from what we know, not even Solas comes quite that far. He also wanted to use magi-tech, and depending on what he means by "the end of your world", it could mean a cataclysm as opposed to annihilation of modern peoples.

 

Yes, the weapons can kill us all on the planet.

 

Your argument isn't very strong. Sentient beings have existed on Thedas for thousands and thousands of years (millions) and haven't wiped themselves out even with the proliferation of mages. 

 

Edit: I think Ieldra mentioned earlier that "good" mages counter "bad" mages and this would go far in explaining the survival of everyone for so long up to this point. To this point, we even get to play "hero" mages in each Dragon Age game. 

Exactly. For every evil mage, there is a good mage (more than one, really), and there are also templars that can curb magic effectively.

 

 

Besides, you'll never be able to eliminate them. Enjoy your frustration. I'd advise you go play a game without magic. And that doesn't mean go play Mass Effect. It has its fair share of Space Magic. 

 

There's no magic in Call of Duty, right? 

Well... I stopped playing a long time ago, but the range and effectiveness of those knives must count as magic 

[BansheeOwnage]

Agreed. Take it to a new thread or something. I'll do my part and stop responding to stuff off-topic. Or I'll try really, really, hard. 

Whoops, responded before catching up all the way... Sorry.

[Almostfaceman]

 

Well... I stopped playing a long time ago, but the range and effectiveness of those knives must count as magic 

 

This is where I'd normally insert a clever laughing gif but dang it photobucket is down for maintenance. So here's a normal smiley.

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This is where I'd normally insert a clever laughing gif but dang it photobucket is down for maintenance. So here's a normal smiley.

 

Fine, I'll do it for you. May not be a laugh, but is a chuckle and a like. 

 

Well... I stopped playing a long time ago, but the range and effectiveness of those knives must count as magic 

 

And now mine:

[Almostfaceman]

Fine, I'll do it for you. May not be a laugh, but is a chuckle and a like. 

 

 

 

Dang it I'm also out of likes. So.... "like"

[dawnstone]

I have two shots left "Why do you girls love Solas" thread.

 

Please entertain me.

[Almostfaceman]

Out of likes and photobucket is down. I think this is proof that mages are all bad. 

 

Wait...

 

Um... back to topic...

 

Okay so, um, I like Solas because he's clearly a link to legendary lore, a link to the next chapter of the game, a link that makes the next chapter very interesting since it will further expand upon lore of the ancient elves and dwarves and the Veil. I get my Indiana Jones fix sometimes playing these games. 

 

I'm never going to romance the guy but it's interesting being friendly towards him and gleaning what I can about what he knows. 

 

I think he's hinted strongly we aren't going to cure the Blights by wacking all the Archdemons. The whole approach of the Wardens seemed hasty and patchwork anyway. Drink some blood? Take in the taint? Sounds like a magical stop-gap measure that they were never able to improve upon. 

 

What was life like not just for elves, but humans, dwaves, Kossith... when there was no Veil? That's totally intriguing. 

 

Do I want a world where constructing things like the Crossroads is achievable? Heck yeah! Bring back the elves!

 

What's with the Evanuris? How were they going to destroy the world? Why were they so damn bloodthirsty? Why was Mythal so effective at curbing them for so long, even outnumbered? What are these Titans and what do the dwarves have to do with them? Why was Solas whacking at one of them? 

 

What the heck is the Blight? The Golden City? I know they're not going to tell us abou the Maker but... what the heck is the Maker? 

 

Finding out answers to all or most of these questions is now made interestingly possible through Solas. 

[dawnstone]

*cracks open another bottle*

 

I Solas because yeeaaaaah.

 

 

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[Aren]

@German

The Orb of destruction is not capable  to destroy the world it was the veil,since it was the whole fade filtered from the breach who was destroying it.

You can still argue that Solas has that power since he said to be the one who created the veil that we know can be pierced and cause the world destruction.

 

@Almostfaceman

I don't' recall Solas saying anything particularly noteworthy about the blights and since many old gods were killed with no repercussions whatsoever i presume that they are not necessary.

 

 

 

[Almostfaceman]

 

@Almostfaceman

I don't' recall Solas saying anything particularly noteworthy about the blights and since many old gods were killed with no repercussions whatsoever i presume that they are not necessary.

 

 

Then you weren't paying close enough attention. I suggest listening to his comments about the Wardens. He goes over specifically what I mentioned. 

[Aren]

Then you weren't paying close enough attention. I suggest listening to his comments about the Wardens. He goes over specifically what I mentioned. 

His dislike for the order of the grey isn't necessarily related to the old gods death.

In the banters with Blackwall he did not liked his reasoning because weren't well motivated.

In the banters with Cassandra he actually said something about the irrelevance of the old gods.

[Baboontje]

*cracks open another bottle*

 

I Solas because yeeaaaaah.

 

 

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Wow, this is exactly why I love him. Totally conveyed all my emotions and feelingz right there, well done!

[Almostfaceman]

 

His dislike for the order of the grey isn't necessarily related to the old gods death.

In the banters with Blackwall he did not liked his reasoning because weren't well motivated.

In the banters with Cassandra he actually said something about the irrelevance of the old gods.

 

 

He specifically gets mad at the Wardens for thinking they can solve the Blight problem by going after the Old Gods and killing them before they become Arch Demons. That's a clue that he knows more than he's letting on about the Blight and its relationship with the Old Gods. 

[Aren]

That is not necessarily related to a caring toward the old gods of whom Solas doesn't seem to care but merely on the fact that he think that the blight can't be stopped only by killing them(there is not even the need for Solas  to know that  DAA is the story of a blight without an archdemon)

I don't even know where this notion of him caring for the old gods or the old gods being important popped up.

[Gaia300]

 Solas  has lived into a veiless world can't he realize that he is just returning back?

He want to change the world but he can't change people, there will always be those who will aspire to be like the  Evanuris were in that world and i bet someone who will be forced to create another veil to stop them. He seem trapped  within  a never ending cycle.

[Lezio]

You guys are missing a huge point. Being with the inquisition and weather or not he fell in love with her DOES show him the good in this new world. He's obviously conflicted from the moment he meets the inquisitor especially if she is elven.
The whole point of the ending was to say " is he conflicted enough to find another way" unless you was a complete dbag to him the whole time then of course you chose the destructive solas. It's all in the matter of how you rpd it. The choices you made. Everyone is looking at it as finite. When we all know anything can happen.
Also for the record Solas does try and find the good in this new world. And he was shunned at every turn. By his own people as well as humans. Varric was probably kindest to him since his awakening. THAT is why he set out to repair what he seen broken. Because this new world is to self absorbed too entangled in racism and fear of mages and this that and the other. To power hungry not loving enough. As I said I would hope peace could come but.... without unity there is no peace.

 

Being a dbag= taking the mages as "prisoners" and not as allies, cuz taking them as the latter completely makes sense seeing how they allied themselves with Tevinter, Fiona's attitude and their general behavior even before that (which ranged from utter stupidity to "please, take us into your custody. PLEASE"). Not allowing an order that has been fundumental to the world to just get thrown around because "HOW COULD THEY- righteous rage of the screw up elven god". The Well, and that whole situation just talks for itself.

In short, ask questions to Solas and he'll be mildly amused by the Inquisitor, do something he doesn't like and enjoy getting judged by someone who, clearly, has the high-ground on everything that is morally right and ethical

 

Also, he woke up one year before Inquisition and in that time he made some kind of organization, made a plan to give the orb to Cory and acted upon it. I'd say that would take something like 6 months, so his schedule once he woke up was something like this, probably:

 

January-March: try to convince some elves of some clan to abandon their centuries old beliefs in favor of the word of good ol' great me. Possibly fail so i can at least say "i tried"

April-September: make a very smart plan and, this is important, absolutely learn nothing of the different factors that could screw it up

October-December: find a wolf pelt to put over my sentinel armor

 

This without considering the time he spent in the Fade, nor his travels to ancient ruins (that he did as a hobby while plotting to kill everyone)

 

ALSO, if anything the Dragon Age games showed me that Thedas, or at lest the South, can and will unite against a common enemy, that the good far outweights the bad. What has Solas' great lost civilization has shown me? That power-hungry, slavers egomaniacs were in power AND that destroying everything was the only way to get the world rid of them (and when i say, i try to see it from Solas' POV, since his defition of "only way" is quite arguable)

 

He specifically gets mad at the Wardens for thinking they can solve the Blight problem by going after the Old Gods and killing them before they become Arch Demons. That's a clue that he knows more than he's letting on about the Blight and its relationship with the Old Gods. 

 

Or, it's a clue that he's a major hypocrite, judging people who tried to do good and were twisted by others to do evil, while he twisted himself into doing stuff like that and worse in the name of some lost civilization

 

One or the other, really

[Mistic]

He specifically gets mad at the Wardens for thinking they can solve the Blight problem by going after the Old Gods and killing them before they become Arch Demons. That's a clue that he knows more than he's letting on about the Blight and its relationship with the Old Gods. 

 

Well, you don't need to have advanced knowledge of the Blight to think it may not work that way. Any Dwarven codex entry on the Blight can teach us that Orzammar faces a neverending war against the darkspawn every day. If anything, Archdemons make the horde more organized and able to carry out complex strategies, but the power of the darkspawn is in their sheer numbers.

 

I can't remember where, but I think there was a Dwarf codex entry that said that, if Orzammar fell, the surface world would be facing a continuous Blight, Archdemon or not. At best, Clarel's plan would have saved some time to prepare and maybe allow the surface world to pay attention to the underground for a change instead of living in oblivion... but knowing their record, I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Broodmothers are the source of the blight if we kill all of them the blight is over.

How?By killing their source which are the women....mmm seem like a good old Solas plan no possible downside aside from extinction.

[Shechinah]

 

Broodmothers are the source of the blight if we kill all of them the blight is over.

How?By killing their source which are the women....mmm seem like a good old Solas plan no possible downside aside from extinction.

 

 

Ehhh, broodmothers are one source from which darkspawns can come from but they are not the only source: the blight's taint itself can create more darkspawn if the infected do not die or does not undergo the Joining.

 

The Dalish Origin's Tamlen is an example of someone who was in the process of turning into a darkspawn, likely a shriek, as a result of having been infected with the blight's taint.  

 

As far as I know, broodmothers are not the source of the blight.
 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Ehhh, broodmothers are one source from which darkspawns can come from but they are not the only source: the blight's taint itself can create more darkspawn if the infected do not die or does not undergo the Joining.

 

The Dalish Origin's Tamlen is an example of someone who was in the process of turning into a darkspawn, likely a shriek, as a result of having been infected with the blight's taint.  

 

As far as I know, broodmothers are not the source of the blight.
 

???

Tamlen wasn't a darkpsawn a ghoul but not a darkspawn