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[Reznore57]

If someone goes to another planet and chops down a bunch of weird-looking plants, which by our current moral code would not be considered people or sentient beings, but then later they discover they are sentient... what would that be considered?

 

Yeah but come on...it's not plants we're talking here.

Solas was in tavern with people probably dancing , fighting , laughing , throwing up in corners etc...

Those "plants" were also having a peace talk to resolve a conflict .

 

Solas had far too much in common with those plants : society , religion , self awareness (well some people are more self aware than others), complicated conflicts...to say he could concider them as "non people" .

The truth is he didn't want to see them as people because he wanted to kill them all and couldn't deal with the guilt.

[Addictress]

He wasn't at Haven - he was in one of the neighboring villages. And considering that Solas was traveling all across Thedas in the year he was awake, including places of importance like Ostagar, he might have indeed been near the Conclave merely to hear about it. It was a very important event after all, full of important people. I bet he'd be interested to just visit the Temple of Sacred Ashes and dream inside of it after the Conclave, just to absorb information/intel from it.

 

Also - we don't really know if he knew anything about Corypheus plans or ways to unlock the orb. Oh sure, he thought that the explosion would kill him, but you don't really need that large of an explosion to actually kill Corypheus - Hawke killed him without one and his body was decimated by smallish explosion near ToM. His body jumping keeps saving his life, but does nothing for the relative squishiness of his bodies.

 

Therefore the initial intended explosion might have not even had to be that big - in fact the magnitude of Conclave explosion seems to have resulted from two things: a.) lyrium surrounding the Temple and b.) Inquisitor disrupting the ritual.

 

That part wasn't predicted neither by Solas or Corypheus.

Explosion or not, Solas definitely planned for the 'world to burn in the raw chaos' - the current world to completely be wiped out. He always intended that, and it's why he allowed Corypheus to find and unlock the orb.

 

He just didn't think it'd really have casualties, or it would have an impact like 'oh, I'm just unplugging all these disabled vegetables from an existence that should've never happened' 

[midnight tea]

Explosion or not, Solas definitely planned for the 'world to burn in the raw chaos' - the current world to completely be wiped out. He always intended that, and it's why he allowed Corypheus to find and unlock the orb.

 

He just didn't think it'd really have casualties, or it would have an impact like 'oh, I'm just unplugging all these disabled vegetables from an existence that should've never happened' 

 

Yes, but we're talking about specific situation and him possibly knowing/not knowing about Corypheus plans and not about him going further with his own plans if things went well to him.

[German Soldier]

To be fair, many of the romantic relationships in Dragon Age games are unhealthy in real life.

 

I Think you're mostly right but the romance should be see case by case because they are unhealthy to a different degree.

 

To be fair, many of the romantic relationships in Dragon Age games are unhealthy in real life.

 

Morrigan tries to sperm jack you into a shady ritual to have your kids and then just runs off. If you refuse to do this shady ritual, she runs off on the eve of one of the toughest battle of your life. When you do see her again, you don't get to see your own son unless you are nice to her.

 

 

To be in the most difficult romance position/perspective with her i think is required a male warden who rejected the ritual.

Morrigan behaviours is mostly immature (same is for many in the DAO cast) .

I believe the Warden has to do an effort here,if not for her for that child which is the child of an apostate who has no properties of her own while the father is rich.

So in order to be an example for her i think in that occasion one has to be very indulgent and show to be more mature than her,since if you go away the child lose.

Basically i think not everything is lost.

 

 

 

Isabela continues to want to have sex with others even when she is in a committed relationship (unless if you are in the third act).

 

 

In all honesty i don't know how to defend this relationship,this woman continuously sleep with others partners and came to you because you are he tool for pleasure and this happened for several years(even with Zevran right in front of you)

Unless Hawke is acuckold leave her.

 

 

Cassandra demands to be courted because its romantic to her which is not very different from a woman demanding an expensive wedding and an overpriced diamond engagement ring because its romantic to her.

 

 

 

I think with Cassandra is a matter of tastes i see no problem with her romance,she is the only LI i think you want to be courted so she is original from this point of view.

 

 

Anders schemes behind your back to blow up a building with the express intent of starting a war.

 

 

This guy went too far with his decisions and his deceptions.

Worst he is an abomination so when Hawke is with him justice will always be there to hear every private conversations,in fact you can call him for that several times.This romance cannot work for me.

 

 

 

Solas romances you, then breaks up with you (during which he might have removed something from you) and then in Trespasser declares his genocidal intents as well as his love before magically amputating your arm and walking away while watching you in his dreams.

This is the most tougher because i think there is still hope but he is pulling way too much the string with Lavellan and if you pull way too much the string will break.

[midnight tea]

Yeah but come on...it's not plants we're talking here.

Solas was in tavern with people probably dancing , fighting , laughing , throwing up in corners etc...

Those "plants" were also having a peace talk to resolve a conflict .

 

Solas had far too much in common with those plants : society , religion , self awareness (well some people are more self aware than others), complicated conflicts...to say he could concider them as "non people" .

The truth is he didn't want to see them as people because he wanted to kill them all and couldn't deal with the guilt.

 

You have to take into consideration that there must be a very good reason why Solas thinks that modern people resemble Tranquil to him. There has to be more to ancient beings/beings from a world that is wholesome, than things you're listed, otherwise Solas wouldn't be saying things like "the Veil took everything from the elves, even themselves".

 

And he says that AFTER spending time with Inquisition - so no matter what he thinks about people he met or how strong his bond with Inquisitor is, he still thinks that the Veil has robbed (most) people of something very important and it's an injustice to them that must be corrected.

 

And oh sure, a lot of his "they're not people" appears to be because he just wants to push away the horror of killing so many people, no matter how diminished or lobomized by the Veil they are, but from his point of view the death may even be a mercy, considering the terrible (according to him) state of the world and living beings, which not only directly affects them and their quality of life, but the quality of life on the other side of the Veil as well (which eventually results in a vicious circle).

 

Look at Cole, for example. The poor boy is skipping all across Vir Dirthara when he finds out that the Veil is "fake, a lie" all happy that "he's what he should be", because apparently he was never made comfortable with himself, be it spirit or spirit who crossed the Veil, and suffered because of that as well.

[Solas]

For me the appeal is twofold, like... pre-release, I just knew that this character was going to deliver some (for me) earth-shattering lore and plot revelations that would

1) have my jaw on the floor

2) provide awesome RP and character development opportunities for my proposed Inquisitor (an elf) - her worldview turned completely on its head

 

I knew it in my bones. And boy did he ever deliver.

 

Then, post-release but pre-Trespasser (tho it still holds), I summed it up elsewhere once - [cut for length]

Spoiler

"On Fandom's Mixed Reaction To Solas, And Mine

 

I think my favorite thing about BioWare’s characters is that many of them evoke significantly different reactions from different fans, sometimes to the extent of complete polarization. The diversity of reactions seen in the community is 1) a testament to BioWare’s writing and 2) a reflection of the diverse nature of the community itself (which is really cool to see, as a side note). Like real people you can love them, hate them or have mixed feelings on the matter.

 

Solas is an excellent example. Some people see him as an essentially saintlike figure who can do little wrong (some criticize this as woobification or seeing things through rose-tinted glasses), some people think he’s a huge ******* or downright diabolical (some consider this demonizing him). Don’t misunderstand me: I am not here to criticize or invalidate either reaction (or, to get really meta, either reaction-to-the-reaction, lol) as everyone is entitled to their own opinions and different people will respond to characters in different ways. And I think perhaps a lot of us could do with being a touch more tolerant of people whose opinions of a fictional character are different to ours. But anyway I’ll share what Solas is for me (it’s okay if you disagree, and you can be a Solas fan without sharing this opinion):

 

For me personally, Solas is a study in gray, one of BioWare’s best Thedosian explorations of “gray” so far. He has so many layers and nuances, significant strengths and considerable flaws and the right amount of gray clouding his canvas just so that as Flemeth says “I can never decide” - and this complexity of character (especially with how it relates to the elven storyline through the series) is precisely why he fascinates me so much. His arc for me asks the question, anti-hero or antagonist? Like Morrigan and Flemeth, do you trust him or don’t you? His past, plans, goals, motivations and intentions… The Tower can symbolize liberation and it can represent destruction. Righteous savior and a wise man - a god of noble struggles - or someone who lies or muddies the truth in pursuit of his own ends and is too proud to see things clearly - a god of deception and trickery? I suspect the answer lies somewhere in-between. After all, “it’s more complicated than that”. He is all of these things and more. Solavellan is a beautifully-written romance and I love it but for me it is secondary to the story of Solas himself and serves best as a lens through which to examine him more closely. “Dread beast or tragic heroic figure” aside, he’s also a man. A man who has hurt people but a man who is hurting, a man who may mean well but may be misguided. But that’s analysis for another time/post I think.

 

The Tower also means revelation (which from an elven perspective especially, Solas and DA:I brought us in bucketloads) and sudden, potentially disruptive change. Solas clearly wants to bring about [a] significant change[s] in the world of Thedas of some description, perhaps righting (what he sees as) past wrongs (some of which could be his, and in that regard, is it redemption? And if so, it is enough?) in the process. 

 

“We stand upon the precipice of change.” [Flemeth]

 

“Change is coming to the world. Many fear change and will fight it with every fiber of their being. But sometimes, change is what they need the most. Sometimes, change is what sets them free.” [Morrigan]

 

Solas’ story thus far has him shaping up to look like the (or one of the) major bringer[s] of the long-foreshadowed change in Thedas. Possibly the ultimate draw and appeal of his character for me is also asked by the Tower card:

 

Are Solas’ ambitions built on false premises, or are they going to break down structures of ignorance and false reasoning? “That is the question, is it not?”

 

And then there’s the gray clouds… - clouds of misfortune that rain on everyone indiscriminately. [x]

 

Iconoclasm… when I think of Solas I feel like Garrus Vakarian: I don’t know what to do with gray. And I love it."

 

Also, it happens that the character is amazingly well voice-acted, and it happens that the romance arc is beautifully and poignantly written (and feels "central" or "key" in terms of the main plot of the game, personally). This stuff helps in spades.

[myahele]

He may not have considered them a "people" then, but he does now and that makes a difference at least to the point that he'd want modern people to atleast have some peace until the veil is torn down.

 

Though looking at the dialogue, he always talks about the elves. Restoring the elves and  the world of the elves. 

[Reznore57]

You have to take into consideration that there must be a very good reason why Solas thinks that modern people resemble Tranquil to him. There has to be more to ancient beings/beings from a world that is wholesome, than things you're listed, otherwise Solas wouldn't be saying things like "the Veil took everything from the elves, even themselves".

 

And he says that AFTER spending time with Inquisition - so no matter what he thinks about people he met or how strong his bond with Inquisitor is, he still thinks that the Veil has robbed (most) people of something very important and its an injustice that can't stand.

 

And oh sure, a lot of his "they're not people" appears to be because he just wants to push away the horror of killing so many people, no matter how diminished or lobomized by the Veil they are, but from his point of view the death may even be a mercy, considering the terrible (according to him) state of the world and living beings, which not only directly affects them and their quality of life, but the quality of life on the other side of the Veil as well.

 

Look at Cole, for example. The poor boy is skipping all across Vir Dirthara when he finds out that the Veil is "fake, a lie" and "he's what he should be", because apparently he was never made comfortable with himself, be it spirit or spirit who crossed the Veil, and suffered because of that as well.

 

Yeah there's a good reason why Solas thinks people are tranquil like.

It's because it's his opinion.

Remember what this guy value the most , the fade , magic etc...like he says "That is what was lost!" with emphasis...

What he feels is perfectly valid , and I wouldn't blame him for whining about his sorrow.

What I blame him for is all the innocents dying because he can't mourn and can't move on.

[midnight tea]

Yeah there's a good reason why Solas thinks people are tranquil like.

It's because it's his opinion.

Remember what this guy value the most , the fade , magic etc...like he says "That is what was lost!" with emphasis...

What he feels is perfectly valid , and I wouldn't blame him for whining about his sorrow.

What I blame him for is all the innocents dying because he can't mourn and can't move on.

 

Why do you assume it's just his opinion? He's the one who's an ancient being form the past who knows how the world was before the Veil - he knows how people were like back then.

 

And no - it doesn't appear that he'd doing what he does, because he just "can't mourn and can't move on".

[myahele]

Yeah there's a good reason why Solas thinks people are tranquil like.

It's because it's his opinion.

Remember what this guy value the most , the fade , magic etc...like he says "That is what was lost!" with emphasis...

What he feels is perfectly valid , and I wouldn't blame him for whining about his sorrow.

What I blame him for is all the innocents dying because he can't mourn and can't move on.

 

If not having connection to the fade = not people then what about the Dwarves? Are they less then people then? They seem alive to me. They all seem like individuals with wills of their own.

 

Didn't Solas say all free-willed individuals must live?

 

@Reznore57

You're right, I never thought about it but Abelas -despite looking down on Dalish wearing Vallaslin- still treats you as a "person" and then there's Flemythal that still helping the Dalish ..... in her own way

[Reznore57]

Why do you assume it's just his opinion? He's the one who's an ancient being form the past who knows how the world was before the Veil - he knows how people were like back then.

 

And no - it doesn't appear that he'd doing what he does, because he just "can't mourn and can't move on".

 

Abelas doesn't call you 'non people' , 'tranquil'...he doesn't talk to the people invading his temple like they are half brain dead.

He just makes a distinction between modern elves and ancient elves.

Hell he's even willing to give the Well away to one of those "non people".

 

Felassan said to Solas the modern elves were people , he was killed by Solas as a result.

 

Flemeth never tells to anyone they are broken , she never raised Morrigan that way either .

 

So yeah Solas is so far the only one saying people are now somekind of "tranquil".Perhaps he is a bit biased.

[midnight tea]

Abelas doesn't call you 'non people' , 'tranquil'...he doesn't talk to the people invading his temple like they are half brain dead.

 

Yes he does. "You are NOT my people', "shadows wearing vallaslin", "shemlen" (actually how it's meant to be used), "human memory is as short as pool of your years", "you mortals wouldn't understand"... "Will the "elves" from your lands accept the truth?" (<- to Dorian) and so on.

 

He only doesn't call them Tranquil probably because he has no concept of it, or a different name for it. For all we know "mortal" may as well be close to calling someone Tranquil to Abelas.

 

Oh, and here's an excerpt of Abelas writing we can find in ToM:

 

"The ones born here do not understand the keenness of what we have lost, or why so many of their elders weep as they enter uthenera. The new ones are faithful to Mythal, but do not understand what she was in her fullness. Without the wise to lead them, they will lose what they should have been."

 

... So the process of people/elves losing something important happened before even the Veil went up, after the loss of Mythal. And if the elves tied to Mythal began losing something essential to them after her demise, imagine the havoc and loss after the Veil cut most people's conscious connection to the Fade. 

 

 

Hell he's even willing to give the Well away to one of those "non people".

 

Only after throwing a comment that the sanctum was finally despoiled. Plus, he says that mortal may not even comprehend Well's power. PLUS, Solas berates you for ever drinking the well and seems smug when disliked Inquisitor drinks from it.

 

 

Flemeth never tells to anyone they are broken , she never raised Morrigan that way either .

 

"Mythal came to me because I already knew the heart of men - they don't want the truth", "Man's hearts hold shadows darker than any tainted creature"

 

... You were saying?

[myahele]

"Mythal came to me because I already knew the heart of men - they don't want the truth", "Man's hearts hold shadows darker than any tainted creature"

 

Which could apply to Solas himself, frankly

[midnight tea]

 

"Mythal came to me because I already knew the heart of men - they don't want the truth", "Man's hearts hold shadows darker than any tainted creature"

 

Which could apply to Solas himself, frankly

 

Yet she wasn't talking about Solas, but people in general.

[Reznore57]

Abelas is willing to give up the well to mortals.Like he said when he gives up the well "All that we were .All that we knew .It would be lost forever."

And yet he does give it up because there's a" rightousness "in you...he gives it up so you can fight your ennemy  and save the world when he himself isn't even sure he's got a place in it.He thinks he may go forever in uthenera after this.

 

You don't see perhaps a tiny bit of difference between Solas and him?

 

As for Mythal's quote , ancient elves were men as well.

Edit :language , sorry .If man = human and not male , english not my main language...still doesn't work as proof Mythal thinks current men are broken or different from before.

She came to Flemeth because they both knew how man and ancient elves could be bad people.

[midnight tea]

Abelas is willing to give up the well to mortals.Like he said when he gives up the well "All that we were .All that we knew .It would be lost forever."

 

 He gives it up only to admit that the knowledge he gives up will be LOST. So he has little to no faith that people he gives up the Well to will do anything useful with it and in fact will likely squander it.

 

 

 

You don't see perhaps a tiny bit of difference between Solas and him?

 

 

I can't really treat seriously arguments that Solas gives nothing in order to fight Inquisition's enemy. He gives Inquisitor his old (and apparently very important) hold, he gives his counsel and his blood for the cause, going as far as risking his life and all his plans, because he put all his bets on Inquisitor. And then, at the end of Trespsser he saves the South, saves Inquisition and saves Inquisitor, apparently specifically for the purpose of giving the world a fighting chance.

 

And sure, Abelas gave us the Well, but apparently without much conviction that the shems would use it right or will not pay for it dearly and refuses to join the cause after Inquisitor asks them to do so.

 

Add to that the fact that we don't know where Abelas went if we let him leave the temple alive - what if he actually joins Solas? From the dialogues between them it seems this is exactly what happens.

 

 

 

As for Mythal's quote , ancient elves were men as well.

 

... That doesn't even make any sense Flemythal was pretty surely talking about modern people, especially in the first quote.

[Reznore57]

Solas helps you because he wants to get his orb back to destroy the world.

So unless Abelas has some shady plans B , no he give up his legacy to current people so they can save their world.It's the equivalent of Solas destroying his orb , now picture Solas at the end of DAI , did he check first if his "friends" or "lover"' survived or did he went looking for his orb to cry over it?

 

As for Flemeth quote unless I'm stupid , I really don't think how it's supposed to mean current men are different from ancient elves.

He means Flemeth thought men were ass**** in general , and she and Mythal found common ground on that.

Since Mythal was murdered by her peers and betrayed , peers who were ancient elves , I'd say they both believed people in general are somewhat rotten to the core.

But again maybe I'm stupid.

[myahele]

 He gives it up only to admit that the knowledge he gives up will be LOST. So he has little to no faith that people he gives up the Well to will do anything useful with it and in fact will likely squander it.

 

Yet he's also willing to destroy the well if you're not worthy ... 

[midnight tea]

Oh, and as a bonus, Sandal's prophecy:

 

"One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide."

 

... Oh, alright, and some comments from OGB Kieran about human mage:

 

Inky: "Is that a bad thing?"

Kieran: "No. It would be worse if you couldn't touch magic at all. Like being blind."

 

... So it's not just ancient beings that notice certain possible differences between how things were before and most of modern population of Thedas.

[AlanC9]

If someone goes to another planet and chops down a bunch of weird-looking plants, which by our current moral code would not be considered people or sentient beings, but then later they discover they are sentient... what would that be considered?

I think this is a plot point in Stanislaw Lem's Fiasco.

[midnight tea]

Solas helps you because he wants to get his orb back to destroy the world.

 

So he saves Inky during Trespasser to get his orb back still?

Plus Abelas gives up the Well to defeat an ancient horror that threatens the world. In both cases there's a reason why they give up some things they hold as important - you said it yourself. So... confirmation bias much?

 

 

 So unless Abelas has some shady plans B , no he give up his legacy to current people so they can save their world.It's the equivalent of Solas destroying his orb , now picture Solas at the end of DAI , did he check first if his "friends" or "lover"' survived or did he went looking for his orb to cry over it?

 

How do you know Solas didn't check on Inquisitor first? We don't know that - considering that he wasn't at all surprised when he heard Inquisitor behind him it seems that he wasn't worried about their safety, since he knew they were fine.

 

Also - how do you know that Abelas doesn't have shady plan B? He certainly doesn't materialize out of nowhere to check on a shem he left his legacy with - bah, he even refuses to join Inquisition in order to look after the legacy the is supposed to treasure so much!

 

Instead he leaves to parts unknown and possibly joins Solas.

 

 

As for Flemeth quote unless I'm stupid , I really don't think how it's supposed to mean current men are different from ancient elves.

He means Flemeth thought men were ass**** in general , and she and Mythal found common ground on that.

Since Mythal was murdered by her peers and betrayed , peers who were ancient elves , I'd say they both believed people in general are somewhat rotten to the core.

 

Yet we're talking predominantly about situations where Flemeth/Mythal are asked why she doesn't reveal what she knows to modern men, or she comments about modern people of Thedas.

[midnight tea]

Yet he's also willing to destroy the well if you're not worthy ... 

 

He's willing to destroy the Well if Inquisitor disrespects Temple's rituals and traditions and refuse allying with Sentinels later. That doesn't necessarily has anything to do with worthiness of an individual - a sh*tty Inquisitor disliked by everyone can make an exception and go with rituals and ally with temple's guardians, while a generally good Inquisitor can make a mistake of not doing rituals (suggested by Cassandra, who herself was against it and pointed out that their soldiers die outside) and close themselves a way of gaining Abelas' favor.

[ModernAcademic]

Thinking his people are better than the rest -> CONFIRMED.

Willing to sacrifice innocents in the name of a supremacist ideal (restoring an empire built by only one race) -> CONFIRMED

 

Believing only his way is a valid way for his people to live -> CONFIRMED

 

 

 

I'd say that's enough evidence of why Solas is not a misunderstood soul. He's dangerous. 

He's not trying to restore "things to the way they were". He wants to force the world to go back to the only way he knows because he's unable to live in the new reality. 

 

He doesn't give a DAMN about the elves of today. The Dalish refused his "advice" because he tried to convince them to live according to what HE feels is right for them, while ignoring 1) they are NOT elves from Arlathan and 2) that elves of today have different needs. Needs he doesn't understand and doesn't care to understand. 

 

Take Sera, for instance. He doesn't even try to understand why she rejects elven culture. To him, she's just trash. The few moments he tries to talk to her, he's constantly trying to "correct" her. To force her to act more elven. She's happy the way she is. She is free. She is living in the world of today and adapting, much like anyone should be doing, especially him.

 

But no. His familiar world is gone and now he feels like an outcast, talking about stuff people don't give a damn anymore.

So he repeatedly feels insulted by anything Dalish and acts like an a** toward the Inquisitor whenever she speaks of her racial heritage with pride. 

 

And because he has the power to change reality to suit his selfish needs, he will. This is unbelievable. He literally shows you the finger, gathers as many elves as he can, a bunch of desperate elves who have been submissive all their lives, promising them Maker knows what to further his unknown agenda, an agenda that will likely destroy reality and ruin civilizations across Thedas and people still believe he's doing it because he's righteous? Because they think he actually cares for the elves? Because poor Solas, he's so misunderstood? But "elves like Sera are wrong and I am right, even though I can't respect her right to live the way she wants to since I don't respect people with a different view of life than mine, because I woke up, looked around and couldn't understand s*** of what's going on the world today? Because I'm convinced I know bettter than those horribly limited, narrow-minded commoners, who don't give a s*** about magic and its wondrous nature"?

 

 

 

And what makes some people think the prophecy refers to him? Do people really believe lifting the Veil will bring back magic to the world? Did you people forget what it did the first time? It DESTROYED the known world.

 

Now, it might likely cause an even worse tragedy than when it was first created. Lifting the Veil might cause further damage to the Fade, destroying what little there is of it, rip the fabric of the world, maybe even cause a part of Thedas to simply disappear or become a dead zone, thus causing an irreversible catastrophy. 

 

And what's worse: he doesn't even care. The man's so desperate to go back to some irrecoverable past he's willing to risk dabbing with magic clearly beyond his understanding and risk to destroy everything in this one attempt to ressurect Arlathan. It's like an old Italian gentleman who lived under Mussolini, now in his mid 80's ranting against the younger generation while repeating all the time that "things were better in my time, these kids know nothing", when everything is just fine.

 

Do you know what's funny? If the PC of DA 4 turns out to be the ACTUAL PERSON to whom the prophecy is referring and that the way to fulfill your destiny demands you stop Solas.

 

I'm gonna laugh so hard if that ends up being the case.

 

 

Truly, if Solas wishes to help,he'd tell the Inquisitor what he knows about the Veil and work together to find a solution.

If he wasn't friends with him/her, he'd team up with Cassandra or another member of the Inquisition with whom he got along or with the Sentinels of Mythal and work toward it. 

Either way, he wouldn't risk destroying the world and sacrificing innocent people (who aren't even people to him). 

 

He might think he's enlightened and act like that in front of you. Like a teacher with his pet student. But in truth, he's dangerous. He's dependent of a reality that has long stopped existing. Like a drug addict. And instead of struggling to adapt to the real world, he's obsessed with the past and will raze everything in his path by insisting to use an unstable, dangerous magic he doesn't fully understand to further his goal. Does that sound like the actions of a misunderstood, enlightened person to you?

[Addictress]

Thinking his people are better than the rest -> CONFIRMED.
Willing to sacrifice innocents in the name of a supremacist ideal (restoring an empire built by only one race) -> CONFIRMED

Believing only his way is a valid way for his people to live -> CONFIRMED



I'd say that's enough evidence of why Solas is not a misunderstood soul. He's dangerous.
He's not trying to restore "things to the way they were". He wants to force the world to go back to the only way he knows because he's unable to live in the new reality.

He doesn't give a DAMN about the elves of today. The Dalish refused his "advice" because he tried to convince them to live according to what HE feels is right for them, while ignoring 1) they are NOT elves from Arlathan and 2) that elves of today have different needs. Needs he doesn't understand and doesn't care to understand.

Take Sera, for instance. He doesn't even try to understand why she rejects elven culture. To him, she's just trash. The few moments he tries to talk to her, he's constantly trying to "correct" her. To force her to act more elven. She's happy the way she is. She is free. She is living in the world of today and adapting, much like anyone should be doing, especially him.

But no. His familiar world is gone and now he feels like an outcast, talking about stuff people don't give a damn anymore.
So he repeatedly feels insulted by anything Dalish and acts like an a** toward the Inquisitor whenever she speaks of her racial heritage with pride.

And because he has the power to change reality to suit his selfish needs, he will. This is unbelievable. He literally shows you the finger, gathers as many elves as he can, a bunch of desperate elves who have been submissive all their lives, promising them Maker knows what to further his unknown agenda, an agenda that will likely destroy reality and ruin civilizations across Thedas and people still believe he's doing it because he's righteous? Because they think he actually cares for the elves? Because poor Solas, he's so misunderstood? But "elves like Sera are wrong and I am right, even though I can't respect her right to live the way she wants to since I don't respect people with a different view of life than mine, because I woke up, looked around and couldn't understand s*** of what's going on the world today? Because I'm convinced I know bettter than those horribly limited, narrow-minded commoners, who don't give a s*** about magic and its wondrous nature"?



And what makes some people think the prophecy refers to him? Do people really believe lifting the Veil will bring back magic to the world? Did you people forget what it did the first time? It DESTROYED the known world.

Now, it might likely cause an even worse tragedy than when it was first created. Lifting the Veil might cause further damage to the Fade, destroying what little there is of it, rip the fabric of the world, maybe even cause a part of Thedas to simply disappear or become a dead zone, thus causing an irreversible catastrophy.

And what's worse: he doesn't even care. The man's so desperate to go back to some irrecoverable past he's willing to risk dabbing with magic clearly beyond his understanding and risk to destroy everything in this one attempt to ressurect Arlathan. It's like an old Italian gentleman who lived under Mussolini, now in his mid 80's ranting against the younger generation while repeating all the time that "things were better in my time, these kids know nothing", when everything is just fine.

Do you know what's funny? If the PC of DA 4 turns out to be the ACTUAL PERSON to whom the prophecy is referring and that the way to fulfill your destiny demands you stop Solas.

I'm gonna laugh so hard if that ends up being the case.


Truly, if Solas wishes to help,he'd tell the Inquisitor what he knows about the Veil and work together to find a solution.
If he wasn't friends with him/her, he'd team up with Cassandra or another member of the Inquisition with whom he got along or with the Sentinels of Mythal and work toward it.
Either way, he wouldn't risk destroying the world and sacrificing innocent people (who aren't even people to him).

He might think he's enlightened and act like that in front of you. Like a teacher with his pet student. But in truth, he's dangerous. He's dependent of a reality that has long stopped existing. Like a drug addict. And instead of struggling to adapt to the real world, he's obsessed with the past and will raze everything in his path by insisting to use an unstable, dangerous magic he doesn't fully understand to further his goal. Does that sound like the actions of a misunderstood, enlightened person to you?

The thing is, all this is legitimate. He is dangerous for all these reasons and all of it is correct. However this isn't the only dynamic to him. That's why he's a good villain. He is the sum of all of what you said PLUS someone who, if you thought about it, really is living in a mistake he made, in a world where everyone is worse off, and wants to fix it. Wants to save all the souls that died.

The current people of Thedas AREN'T necessarily "happy and living just fine." That's your opinion or assumption as a player who's explored current Thedas and related to the current people in it. What if it could be argued people in current Thedas aren't happy and are suffering a great deal, that in utilitarian terns, overall welfare would be maximized if the ancient elves were restored?

He's utilitarian. He's like Shepard and Garrus, weighing 1 billion souls against 2 billion that can be saved.

Maybe he falsely overestimates his grasp on veil mechanics yet again, in which case he's just too...proud to admit he's unable to perform the salvation he wants to render.

In this case he isn't evil so much as simply proud to a fault. You could even say a dummy, so proud he can't see the back of his hand. But not strictly evil.

[GoldenGail3]

Solas: Chaotic Netural - At first - Now i dunno what he is....