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[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

So when you said "if one person has a dissenting opinions and views usually they sit down to solve problems" what you actually meant is the priests step in and forcibly re-educate you. Gotcha.

*sighs* You're jumping to conclusions. I meant what he said about people with disagreements and they solve problems and disagreements. As I said I said it in my own words.

[midnight tea]

One should never sacrifice personal liberty for structure and order. Those who do deserve the sadness and chaos that comes with it.

 

While the Qun has obviously went to the extreme with sacrificing personal freedoms for the sake of structure and order, the opposite extreme - a pure anarchy - ain't really better. After all our personal freedoms end when other persons' begin. The saddest thing about the Qun is that it takes some good ideas (government taking care of its citizens, social benefits, healthcare) that can be extracted from it and twists it into something unlivable, making the rest of population wary of them.

[midnight tea]

Yes, the presence of clues is how theories are born. But until it is actually stated, that's all it will be.

 

Of course. But those are speculations that are still backed with something, which in persence of so many theories that don't have even that is valuable.

 

We had Loghain. An intelligent, complex and well written antagonist is a vital part of a good story.

 

Thank you for proving my point. Loghain was an antagonist, but NOT the main antagonist - the main baddie for DAO the Archdemon. And the intriguing antagonist for DAI, though not as overt, turned out to be Solas and whoever else is lurking there in shadows.

[Hellion Rex]

Those are speculations that are still backed with something, which in persence of so many theories that don't have even that is valuable.


Thank you for proving my point. Loghain was an antagonist, but NOT the main antagonist - the main baddie for DAO the Archdemon. And the intriguing antagonist for DAI, though not as overt, turned out to be Solas and whoever else is lurking there in shadows.

Meh. I wouldn't even call him antagonist so much in DAI. I'd call him antagonist for the future. He was a manipulator, though, for sure.

Corypheus, especially if you did Under Her Skin, was the intriguing antagonist.

[Macha'Anu]

While the Qun has obviously went to the extreme with sacrificing personal freedoms for the sake of structure and order, the opposite extreme - a pure anarchy - ain't really better. After all our personal freedoms end when other persons' begin. The saddest thing about the Qun is that it takes some good ideas (government taking care of its citizens, social benefits, healthcare) that can be extracted from it and twists it into something unlivable, making the rest of population wary of them.

Well I surely never said pure anarchy was best. I just will never ever ever never justify the Qunari and how they do things. I adore iron bull abd I even liked sten, but their ideals while noble are no more corrupt than the mage circle or the chantry or the magisterium. Except the Qunari are at least more open about their convert or die stance. The chantry is more hush hush about it. Sorta.

[Qun00]

Thank you for proving my point. Loghain was an antagonist, but NOT the main antagonist - the main baddie for DAO the Archdemon. And the intriguing antagonist for DAI, though not as overt, turned out to be Solas and whoever else is lurking there in shadows.

Mm... nice starting line. But dividing your efforts between demoralizing your virtual opponents and bringing arguments seems counter productive.

Now, Loghain's presence means to me a clear evidence that the writers felt the story would be lacking if we only had one dimensional evil to contend with.

The existence of that need is the reason why it shouldn't be a surprise that Corypheus turned out to be a plot decoy for a better villain, Solas.

Regardless of main or secondary roles, only stories aimed at younger audiences can be considered successful and satisfying by settling with a moustache twirling bad guy alone.

[BansheeOwnage]

But the Qunari never enslaved his people and sacrificed them by blood magic, IDK what the hell he's thinking. And he if all people should know what to do: Teach the people their history to ensure never to repeat history ever again. As I said his EQ is mighty low.

What's "EQ"?

 

I would get angry @ Tevinter more than the Qun because they actually enslaving and slaughtering people and IDK WTF he's thinking about. At least under the Qun you do what you meant to do and be happy of what you're supposed to do but I can understand why he's pissed off @ them because the way they treat their mages. That's another whole different story if it's just that.

 

 

Anyway, I didn't expect the thread to be a Qun debate when I got back, but it is a long thread. While it can be entertaining, it's also a good way to get derailed and/or locked, so keep that in mind.

 

Also, the Qun sucks! >: D

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

What's "EQ"?

https://en.m.wikiped...al_intelligence

[Qun00]

The Qun doesn't suck. The Qun means CERTAINTY!

[Hellion Rex]

Certainty of sucking

[Qun00]

...the corruption out of the self-serving and chaotic races.

[German Soldier]

I think this is really more about the Qun. Solas is ideologically opposed to the Qun (you will see this in all his banters with the IB), because he believes that people should be free, whilst there is no individual freedom under the Qun.

Solas believe all the people are worth to be sacrificed for his world of fairies....

So is better if he  look more to his problems rather than one of other cultures and religions.

Plus the Qunari are really an alien race so i'm not judging their structures based on modern liberal views

[Hellion Rex]

...the corruption out of the self-serving and chaotic races.

Touché. You got me there lol.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Really, no one is being mean, and I'm sorry you feel they are. But they aren't. They're politely asking you to make sure your facts are correct before making claims. That seems perfectly fair to me.
 
And I understand if you watched a video of the scene and thought he didn't remove it, since it's not explicitly shown, but that is in fact not the case. If you wanted a follow-up video to that one, or if it was longer, you'd see the Inquisitor walk into the Exalted Council without an arm and the Mark. This is identical in every permutation of Trespasser - every outcome has Solas remove the hand and Mark.
 
I'm not being mean, but you are wrong in this case. Sorry.

[AresKeith]

 

So overall the same like the others?

[Hellion Rex]

http://youtu.be/aRze7XO446o

Ok, that's a tiny bit murky, I'll grant, cause he did it while he kissed her. His eyes glowed like they do when he's doing powerful magic stuff though if you watch. Still though, in that scene he does indeed remove the anchor.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Ok, that's a tiny bit murky, I'll grant, cause he did it while he kissed her. His eyes glowed like they do when he's doing powerful magic stuff though if you watch. Still though, in that scene he does indeed remove the anchor.

I thought she chopped it off herself.

[Hellion Rex]

I thought she chopped it off herself.

The way I took the scene is that while he removed the Anchor, the magic was still trying to consume you, and thus you lop off the arm, cause that was the main site of the magic.

Either way, the arm was taken off in lieu of you dying from the Anchor.

[AresKeith]

I thought she chopped it off herself.

 

The arm pretty much is cut off by the Inquisitor, but Solas still takes the anchor 

[Hellion Rex]

Or, it could simply be that removing the Anchor necrotized the arm, leaving a useless appendage behind. Thus, you make the decision to remove it.

[Illegitimus]

But the Qunari never enslaved his people and sacrificed them by blood magic, IDK what the hell he's thinking. And he if all people should know what to do: Teach the people their history to ensure never to repeat history ever again. As I said his EQ is mighty low.

 

Since the Qunari control the elves more tightly than any culture in Thedan history, including the oligarchy he led a devastating rebellion against, the reason why he has issues with the Qun are obvious.  

[Hellion Rex]

Since the Qunari control the elves more tightly than any culture in Thedan history, including the oligarchy he led a devastating rebellion against, the reason why he has issues with the Qun are obvious.

Well, we still don't know everything about Arlathan, so I wouldn't include them in that group necessarily, but to the rest, I absolutely agree.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Since the Qunari control the elves more tightly than any culture in Thedan history, including the oligarchy he led a devastating rebellion against, the reason why he has issues with the Qun are obvious.

The elves came willingly to seek a better life rather than being a servant, slave, or a 2nd class citizen of human societies. Well they can find the Dalish but I understand why they turn to the Qun for stability and have a better life. Solas should've understood that they have nowhere else to go to and no one to turn to, so what does he expect? I mean what does he really expect? They have nothing but the culture they adapted to, and he has the nerve to look down @ his own people because of that, and he caused all this to happen in the first place

[midnight tea]

Mm... nice starting line. But dividing your efforts between demoralizing your virtual opponents and bringing arguments seems counter productive.

Now, Loghain's presence means to me a clear evidence that the writers felt the story would be lacking if we only had one dimensional evil to contend with.

The existence of that need is the reason why it shouldn't be a surprise that Corypheus turned out to be a plot decoy for a better villain, Solas.

Regardless of main or secondary roles, only stories aimed at younger audiences can be considered successful and satisfying by settling with a moustache twirling bad guy alone.

 

Er, demoralizing? You've made a point that supported my argument - there's nothing else to it. That you want to see malice in almost everything I write to you  (not just in this thread), call it demoralizing, only to try and 'demoralize me back' merely reflects your own attitude, rather than has anything to do with mine. Counter-productive indeed  ... 

 

Also... evidence? You almost make it seem like they came up with Loghain as an afterthought, rather than designed the story to be that way after at least some deliberation. The message is clear - the world is much bigger and there are many more problems than just "evil" that befall on poor people of Thedas and unless they unite, they'd be doomed.

 

You last point also makes no sense in context of what we've been discussing here, OR the fact that the story isn't finished yet. Yes, it is important whether there are 'secondary roles' or other issues aside from existence of antagonists, because your point only makes sense if main baddie was nearly the entirety of focus of the story. As it happens, in DA he wasn't.

 

Plus, I wouldn't call Corypheus a mustache-twirling villain. Mustache-twirling villain are all "muahaha, I'm evil and I enjoy being evil and give me all the things!". Corypheus actually sees himself on a mission to give the world a much-needed god. That his mind is also muddled by forces we know have severely corrupting and twisting influence, and that it's a force the origin and intent of which we slowly unravel with each chapter is another thing you appear to be ignoring.

[BansheeOwnage]

https://en.m.wikiped...al_intelligence

And what does that have to do with Solas disliking the Qun?

 

Congratulations, you proved my point.

 

Really, no one is being mean, and I'm sorry you feel they are. But they aren't. They're politely asking you to make sure your facts are correct before making claims. That seems perfectly fair to me.

 

And I understand if you watched a video of the scene and thought he didn't remove it, since it's not explicitly shown, but that is in fact not the case. If you wanted a follow-up video to that one, or if it was longer, you'd see the Inquisitor walk into the Exalted Council without an arm and the Mark. This is identical in every permutation of Trespasser - every outcome has Solas remove the hand and Mark.

 

I'm not being mean, but you are wrong in this case. Sorry.