But that's an inane argument I never said or implied the edit button in my post you have done everything by yourself.
Use the edit function to perform an editing of a post is an equally valid sentence so i'm not sure you are trying to spin it up as i implied with the word "alteration" a litteral editing.
Now you're demonstrating you can't follow the discussion. This response is gibberish.
Not really sure what is there that contradicts anything I said or claim? I've made no changes to my position and it is 100% true that the thread and focus of first post is why people like Solas so much. It's there, black on white. The little 'or not' added in brackets at the end of post that 99% focuses on asking a question why people like Solas merely strengthens my point.
This is also why I pointed out to Patricia that even if he intended or intends for the topic to not be so focused on one side, the way she formulated her OP post and thread name makes it so and why I said later that I wouldn't mind if she altered her posts to reflect a more general discussion about character. So far she didn't and so far the topic's name stays exactly what I said it is: "Why do some of you girls maybe guys like (love) Solas so much".
I think the language barrier is a bit more of a hindrance to some of these folks than they'd like to admit.
But that's an inane argument I never said or implied the edit button in my post you have done everything by yourself.
Use the edit function to perform an editing of a post is an equally valid sentence so i'm not sure why you are trying to say that I implied with the word "alteration" a litteral editing with the edit button.
It only shows your wonky understanding of English and the concept of frikking context.
And yes - you're responsible for me jumping "out of the blue" with post edits or whatever. Why?
Because you've quoted my post in which I literally speak of editing the first post, as such was a brief topic of my discussion with other people when you've decided to butt in. So how is it surprising that I address it in the context of it, when you yourself fail to clarify what you mean and use the word that is predominantly used to denote changes to structure, rather than meaning???
Not really sure what is there that contradicts anything I said or claim? I've made no changes to my position and it is 100% true that the thread and focus of first post is why people like Solas so much. It's there, black on white. The little 'or not' added in brackets at the end of post that 99% focuses on asking a question why people like Solas merely strengthens my point.
Which mean that you misinterpreted the OP because this Thread is not solely focused on why people love Solas but also meant for why they don't like him and Patricia said it and confirmed it.
This is also why I pointed out to Patricia that even if he intended or intends for the topic to not be so focused on one side, the way she formulated her OP post and thread name makes it so
That's just your own issue with her post that clearly It doesn't apply for many others me included.
Before of accusing people for having issues of reading comprehension check better if those issues are just a personal problem you have with their posts or not.
Indeed I wondered why that should concern you or the other users who passionately criticized me for that?Especially when unlike many others i didn't even diverged from the Thread Subjects.
It only shows your wonky understanding of English and the concept of frikking context.
My understanding of the english language has nothing to do with a post in which i never used or implied something(the edit button) that you used in your subsequent argument.
Which mean that you misinterpreted the OP because this Thread is not solely focused on why people love Solas but also meant for why they don't like him and Patricia said it and confirmed it.
That's just your own issue with her post that clearly It doesn't apply for many others me included.
It's hard to misinterpret "why do some of you girls maybe guys like (love) Solas so much" as meaning "general opinions about Solas or BW story". You have no foothold here, aside from the topic veering into OOT territory fast after it began and you joining in late. Yet the initial focus is clear (I know, I've been here since the very start) and it's obvious what most people were focusing on (analyzing why people like Solas) before the thread itself became a tangle of different opinions about Solas. There's really nothing I can add to this, nor I think I'd hear anything new.
I think the language barrier is a bit more of a hindrance to some of these folks than they'd like to admit.
Language barriers are perfectly understandable. It is an international forum and I'm a non-native English speaker myself. It's the whole attitude to this that frustrates me - I spend a lot of time clarifying what I say and pay attention if there's any miscommunication going on since hey, it happens, even among two native speakers. But here it's like... "no, there are no problems, everything I write is sound and every now and then I shall school you in language or meaning of words and berate you if you don't understand them the way I do, never-mind the actual definition of words in English or the context they're used in".
My understanding of the english language has nothing to do with a post in which i never used or implied something(the edit button) that you used in your subsequent argument.
Wow, you completely ignored what I said later in the very post you've quoted...
Not really sure what is there that contradicts anything I said or claim? I've made no changes to my position and it is 100% true that the thread and focus of first post is why people like Solas so much. It's there, black on white. The little 'or not' added in brackets at the end of post that 99% focuses on asking a question why people like Solas merely strengthens my point.
I agree with this. The OP seems more focused on why people like Solas as opposed to why they don't. While that doesn't suggest that the latter is unwelcome, it feels that this thread has become overwhelmed by negative posts on Solas, with a few Solas fans still defending him. This thread no longer feels balanced. (And it has become somewhat circular, as people have mentioned earlier).
Language barriers are perfectly understandable. It is an international forum and I'm a non-native English speaker myself. It's the whole attitude to this that frustrates me - I spend a lot of time clarifying what I say and see if there's any miscommunication going on since hey, it happens, even among two native speakers. But here it's like... "no, there are no problems, everything I write is sound and every now and then I shall school you in language or meaning of words and berate you if you don't understand them the way I do, never-mind the actual definition of words in English or the context they're used in".
The lack of admission is what frustrates me. I'm a non-native English speaker, so I'm perfectly awaye
I've had issues with miscommunication - it's only natural, even among native speakers. This is why I sometimes take my time to extensively clarify what I mean, or ask or point out that there might be some miscommunication going on and eventually we clarify things or reach consensus on meaning. But in this case it's all just "oh, I've done no wrong/there's no problem - it's YOU who has or causes problems!"
I totally agree. Though I don't think you give yourself enough credit with regards to the use of English. Except for typo's (which are normal) I wouldn't have even guessed you weren't a native in the use of this language. I think you clearly make your points.
I'm also not very much a fan of the actual route of the series for how they are treating the protagonists which are used as enabler/pawn for someone else story and then they are disregarded in the sequel.I think this will be the same fate of the Inquisitor saying how they alredy did this with all the others protagonists(and yes Hawke is always alive in DAII).Not sure however why this problem of mine should concern others...
Yet the initial focus is clear (I know, I've been here since the very start) and it's obvious what most people were focusing on (analyzing why people like Solas) before the thread itself became a tangle of different opinions about Solas. There's really nothing I can add to this, nor I think I'd hear anything new.
I've made no changes to my position and it is 100% true that the thread and focus of first post is why people like Solas so much.
I agree with this. The OP seems more focused on why people like Solas as opposed to why they don't. While that doesn't suggest that the latter is unwelcome, it feels that this thread has become overwhelmed by negative posts on Solas, with a few Solas fans still defending him. This thread no longer feels balanced. (And it has become somewhat circular, as people have mentioned earlier).
It is not it is a misinterpretation that was made by it seems few users.This thread was always meant to be a receptacle of more sides in fact i did posted negative opinions on this Thread about Solas long ago.I posted at first page a negative opinion is right there and is in line with Patricia OP
It is not it is a misinterpretation that was made by it seems few users.This thread was always meant to be a receptacle of more sides in fact i did posted negative opinions on this Thread about Solas long ago.I posted at first page a negative opinion is right there and is in line with Patricia OP
As I said, while Patricia also sought negative opinions (as seen in her brief, parenthesized "or not"), the main focus was on why we like him. To me, it's an issue of balance. Against this balance, this thread seems to have been derailed into some kind of Solas hate thread where any comment is automatically linked to why you hate him. I posted a comment on the Qun earlier and a reply twisted it into another Solas hate post. And frankly, very few of these negative posts have anything new to say (I mean, yes, we know you hate him), while Solas fans have to keep going back into game dialogue/ lore etc. to defend him.
What does Solas do in The DLC's that some people here like or maybe even love him so much. Because i know him only from my Inquisition game and i cannot imagine that someone gets truly romantic feelings for him. It's not that i do not like him for me it is in between i find him a bit a mister know it all and he is a little bit to elfy for me. There is nothing wrong with that ( he is an elf ). But i do like his stories when he tells about them but to really like ( love ) him then no not me.You would probably say that i should buy the DLC's and find out myself i am planning to. But i have to wait a little longer so in the meantime you might tell me a little bit why you like ( love ) him so much ( or not ).Thoughts ?
Ok, so here the entire first paragraph was asking why we like Solas, and in the the second paragraph she asks again why, and balances it with an "or not". I do think that implies the thread was meant to be more positive rather than negative.
It is not it is a misinterpretation that was made by it seems few users.This thread was always meant to be a receptacle of more sides in fact i did posted negative opinions on this Thread about Solas long ago.I posted at first page a negative opinion is right there and is in line with Patricia OP
Wow I went back and checked.. cool post rare pretty much summarizes in a non-hostile way a lot of people's objective problem with Solas.
For me it just hinges on that word "liar" Solas just isn't honest and for me that puts everything else in jeopardy.
There's really literally no way anyone can actually question that when you think about it, some of us just think he is full of it, you can't "disprove" a person's instinct like that.
Wow I went back and checked.. cool post rare pretty much summarizes in a non-hostile way a lot of people's objective problem with Solas.
For me it just hinges on that word "liar" Solas just isn't honest and for me that puts everything else in jeopardy.
There's really literally no way anyone can actually question that when you think about it, some of us just think he is full of it, you can't "disprove" a person's instinct like that.
Oh thank you!To be honest i lowered the quality of my own posts since then because i'm posting things without elaborating their presentation ,it require time and efforts that i'm not more willing to invest.But yes i really dislike these kind of misleading characters is not their opinions with whom i have a problem is their dishonesty.
Do you believe Solas should have told you who he was then? It seems like that would have just got him either killed, or locked away/made tranquil for being an insane mage, and then Cory would win due to the mark killing the Inquisitor at the start.
As I said, while Patricia also sought negative opinions (as seen in her brief, parenthesized "or not"), the main focus was on why we like him. To me, it's an issue of balance. Against this balance, this thread seems to have been derailed into some kind of Solas hate thread where any comment is automatically linked to why you hate him. I posted a comment on the Qun earlier and a reply twisted it into another Solas hate post. And frankly, very few of these negative posts have anything new to say (I mean, yes, we know you hate him), while Solas fans have to keep going back into game dialogue/ lore etc. to defend him.
Ok, so here the entire first paragraph was asking why we like Solas, and in the the second paragraph she asks again why, and balances it with an "or not". I do think that implies the thread was meant to be more positive rather than negative.
Do you believe Solas should have told you who he was then? It seems like that would have just got him either killed, or locked away/made tranquil for being an insane mage, and then Cory would win due to the mark killing the Inquisitor at the start.
Tell me that he was a tale of legends the mythical Dread wolf whom i thought was only a tale for elven children?
I'm unsure why my Inquisitor would have believed him before to see his hideouts but that he was using his spies the whole time inside the organization behind the Inquisitor's back is another matter....
That's my point... Nobody would have believe him, they would have just thought he was an insane dangerous apostate and have him murdered. So I can't really fault him for not telling the truth about that.
I guess you've got a point about the spies in the Inquisition, but it's like like he ever used them against you or anything, he actually uses them to help as no one would have discovered the Qunari threat if he didn't. You have Leiliana's spies working for you so it's not like the Inquisitor has anything against using spies (and most Inquisitor's even invite a Qunari spy to join them).
That's my point... Nobody would have believe him, they would have just thought he was an insane dangerous apostate and have him murdered. So I can't really fault him for not telling the truth about that.
I guess you've got a point about the spies in the Inquisition, but it's like like he ever used them against you or anything, he actually uses them to help as no one would have discovered the Qunari threat if he didn't. You have Leiliana's spies working for you so it's not like the Inquisitor has anything against using spies (and most Inquisitor's even invite a Qunari spy to join them).
That's my point... Nobody would have believe him, they would have just thought he was an insane dangerous apostate and have him murdered. So I can't really fault him for not telling the truth about that.
I guess you've got a point about the spies in the Inquisition, but it's like like he ever used them against you or anything, he actually uses them to help as no one would have discovered the Qunari threat if he didn't. You have Leiliana's spies working for you so it's not like the Inquisitor has anything against using spies (and most Inquisitor's even invite a Qunari spy to join them).
Realistically, even if you have really good reason to believe that someone is planning something incredibly evil, it's only the act that determines the consequences.
So really what would of happened in my impossible DA:I playthrough is I would of been like ok this guy is full of it and the nano-second he starts to implement his plan POP Sera with an arrow.
Like in ME1 you had the chance to down the basically good character who was enraged, they should of given you a chance to down the basically evil character the second he stops acting.
The game just assumes Solas will had you and can't take any precautions though.
The fact that his nickname is Dread wolf is something unimportant to me unlike the Dalish i don't see what's the point in judging someone by their name or the title or some tales.But that his purpose was to use the Inquisitor and the whole organization as pawns to take that Orb from Corypheus in order to coninue with his original plan...that is a big issue.I see that as not much different than what Morrigan,Anders and Isabela did with the protagonists,to use them as pawns to gain what they wanted.
Hmm, fair enough. I don't have anything against those other characters either (Well, I do, but not for that reason), or class them as "liars".
Realistically, even if you have really good reason to believe that someone is planning something incredibly evil, it's only the act that determines the consequences.
So really what would of happened in my impossible DA:I playthrough is I would of been like ok this guy is full of it and the nano-second he starts to implement his plan POP Sera with an arrow.
Like in ME1 you had the chance to down the basically good character who was enraged, they should of given you a chance to down the basically evil character the second he stops acting.
The game just assumes Solas will had you and can't take any precautions though.
And then the Inquisitor would have died from the mark, the Inquisition would never have got Skyhold and would have been destroyed, Corytheus would have destroyed the world, and if all that somehow hadn't happened, everyone would have been blown up by the Qunari plot before it was discovered.
Seems like a strange comparison with ME1 though. I assume you are referring to Saren? He was vile before the reapers showed up.
From the novel -
Saren: "I have two rules I follow. The first is: never kill someone without a reason.
And then the Inquisitor would have died from the mark, the Inquisition would never have got Skyhold and would have been destroyed, Corytheus would have destroyed the world, and if all that somehow hadn't happened, everyone would have been blown up by the Qunari plot before it was discovered.
Seems like a strange comparison with ME1 though. I assume you are referring to Saren? He was vile before the reapers showed up.
From the novel -
Saren: "I have two rules I follow. The first is: never kill someone without a reason.
Anderson: "And the second?"Saren: "You can always find a reason to kill someone."Saren doesn't care about murder and hurting other people, he enjoys it. Whilst Solas saved the world from the Evanuris, and is only doing what he is doing because he believe he has no choice. If he had any other option, that would save everyone, he would take it in a heartbeat. Whilst Saren would murder them all anyway and enjoy. Unless I'm forgetting some other character you can talk down, it's a strange standard you have there.
Well then the world is doomed either way, so what difference does it make? Either the Inquisitor pre-emptively destroys the entire world by stopping Solas or Solas destroys it all himself later, that's no better,.
I thought from the start that it was intended to be neutral.
And a neutral treatment would have been fine. I don't think anyone here has anything against a civilly expressed negative opinion, after all, opposing opinions can contribute to a healthy discussion. Negative rants, though, tend to be unpleasant anywhere.
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