It's, I need to save my people specifically, Elves, i.e. not all the other people, and doing so means killing off just about everyone else. That's racially motivated genocide.
I think i'm gonna just quote for this
The thing is it is a bit like that chap said in Jurassic Park about them bringing back dinosaurs; they had their chance but that was in the past and the world moved on. In this case instead of a giant meteorite, we had Solas raising the Veil. He created the conditions that allowed new life to flourish and that life has validity. You cannot simply dismiss it as a mistake. Solas himself claimed to Cassandra that this was a core part of his beliefs; that every free thinking creature has a right to exist.
how much worse is it when you claim you do now acknowledge that the people of this world deserve better (so he does understand them) and yet is still going ahead, blithely disregarding all the rest of the multitude of life.
At this point, I'm guessing his people includes spirits. He talks about how they used to live together without issues, and in the modern world they are constantly being corrupted and murdered because people don't understand them and don't want to. Look at Cole, they are as "real" as any other person in Thedas, and they certainly don't deserve the modern world.
Anyway, I don't see a whole lot of difference between some of the people who hate Solas and Solas himself - specifically the people arguing about how their people have more of a right to live. At least Solas admits what he's doing is terrible.
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I just can't understand how anyone can view Solas as anything other than the ultimate villain here as the franchise... if DA ends with anything other than him being disempowered/imprisoned/captured/neutralized whatever I would seriously question the moral integrity of the franchise.
But somehow we're stuck on the notion that it's all very ambiguous or unclear at this stage... I just don't see what more info you need well we established I don't understand what's the hold up on that situation at any rate.
What really annoys me is I don't find him to even be "nuanced" like a Sylvannas or something where it's sort of anti-heroic or something, strains of good and evil. He's more like pure psychotic meta-evil, eclipsing the likes of Hitler/Mao/whoever in scope and insanity. It's eerily reminiscent of some just totally messed up beyond irredeemable sociopath like the American Abu Grahib soldiers or something... His justifications are so misshapen you have to wonder if he isn't laboring with some Neanderthalic organ instead of a functioning modern brain.
I just can't understand how anyone can view Solas as anything other than the ultimate villain here as the franchise... if DA ends with anything other than him being disempowered/imprisoned/captured/neutralized whatever I would seriously question the moral integrity of the franchise.
But somehow we're stuck on the notion that it's all very ambiguous or unclear at this stage... I just don't see what more info you need well we established I don't understand what's the hold up on that situation at any rate.
- Because he is doing everything he can to save his people
- Because it's been suggested that it's either he does this or something worse will happen
- Because he saved everyone in the world from eternal slavery
- Because he spends the entire game helping other people
- Because he is only doing what he is doing because he feels forced to for some reason which is not yet explained
- Because after spending 130 hours interacting with the guy and seeing how he reacts to things I trust that he has a pretty good reason to think this is necessary
- Because the lead writer has said that the way he acted towards people during the game was not just an act and that he does really care
To me, saying Solas is the ultimate evil is like saying Shepard is the ultimate evil for choosing "Destroy". Both are horrific acts, but both characters only do it because they are forced into making such a terrible choice. We just don't have all the information on why Solas feels forced to do this yet.
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The meteorite/dinosaur example doesn't really work for me and here's why.
In the meteorite situation, after the dust settles, the world reverts to the state it was in before the meteorite struck. Species may be wiped out, but the inherent nature of the earth is still the same as it was pre-Veil. The Veil is an artificial construct. That can't be hand-waved. Demons are a product of the Veil. Mages being possessed by demons is a product of the Veil. A conscious connection with the Fade has been sacrificed, that's a product of the Veil.
Before I say what I say next I'll say again, I don't want to kill the modern denizens of Thedas. Plus, I don't believe Bioware is going to go that direction anyway.
Solas plans to have a world suitable to sentient life. It has to be so, for the elves to continue in any type of existence... or mages if he does consider them his people as well... or spirits if there is a Cole-type of phenomenon on a larger scale without the Veil.
So is it possible to look at this loss of the naturalconscious connection with the Fade as a disease? It's already been compared to Tranquility, a state of reduced existence. I think in a way it is, yes, a magical infection of the consciousness.
This state of disease, this state of reduced existence, is something that has analogues with real-life situations where diseased people or animals have to be culled for a greater good. Is the shepherd happy when he has to cull his herd of diseased animals? No. Is a society happy when they have to quarantine entire groups of its citizenry to save the uninfected populous? No. Is Solas happy that he has to strip Thedas of a populace reduced in existence/diseased to save those capable of being restored to their natural state? No.
And Solas is definitely not happy. As he gets to know individuals in this magically infected/diseased populace he becomes more and more somber regarding his plan. Doubly so, because he is the one who unwittingly infected the populace that he has to cull.
Anyone who wants to kill Solas right now, can't. Bioware very deliberately did not let you do so. Bioware also very deliberately left a lot of things only partly explained. We don't know what it's like to not be affected by the Veil. We don't know everything about this dwarf/Titan relationship. We don't know everything about Solas's plans. There are many other things left for the next game to explain. This strongly hints that we're going to find out more before we're given the opportunity to interact with Solas... more that may even drastically change the way we see the situation now.
Solas was put in a unique situation. He had to free slaves. He had to struggle against a powerful tyrannical government. He had to save the world from this government. Apparently, nobody else was in the position to do what he did. Is his struggle hubris? Or is it necessity? I lean more towards necessity.
People love to say Solas screwed up. I think it currently appears the Evanuris screwed up. If they hadn't been giant arseholes, there would have been no need for a rebellion or a rebel leader. The responsibility lays at their feet, knowing what we know. This may change.
I'll say again, I don't want to kill the modern denizens of Thedas. Plus, I don't believe Bioware is going to go that direction anyway.
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I just can't understand how anyone can view Solas as anything other than the ultimate villain here as the franchise... if DA ends with anything other than him being disempowered/imprisoned/captured/neutralized whatever I would seriously question the moral integrity of the franchise.
But somehow we're stuck on the notion that it's all very ambiguous or unclear at this stage... I just don't see what more info you need well we established I don't understand what's the hold up on that situation at any rate.
What really annoys me is I don't find him to even be "nuanced" like a Sylvannas or something where it's sort of anti-heroic or something, strains of good and evil. He's more like pure psychotic meta-evil, eclipsing the likes of Hitler/Mao/whoever in scope and insanity. It's eerily reminiscent of some just totally messed up beyond irredeemable sociopath like the American Abu Grahib soldiers or something... His justifications are so misshapen you have to wonder if he isn't laboring with some Neanderthalic organ instead of a functioning modern brain.
Again I ask, how much of this thread have you read?
Not really sure what is there that contradicts anything I said or claim? I've made no changes to my position and it is 100% true that the thread and focus of first post is why people like Solas so much. It's there, black on white. The little 'or not' added in brackets at the end of post that 99% focuses on asking a question why people like Solas merely strengthens my point.
Well maybe not 99% it's more like 95% . but you are right though that it was more why people like ( love ) Solas so much.
This is also why I pointed out to Patricia that even if she intended or intends for the topic to not be so focused on one side, the way she formulated her OP post and thread name makes it so and why I said later that I wouldn't mind if she altered her posts to reflect a more general discussion about character. So far she didn't and so far the topic's name stays exactly what I said it is: "Why do some of you girls maybe guys like (love) Solas so much".
So i made some changes to my OP so that there are no more ( at least i hope so ) confusions about this conflict you had earlier .
To be fair, the idea that the populace needs to be culled due to some perceived magical or psychic deficiency is monsterous to say the least. I hope that Solas is not doing it for that reason. I'm on board for redeeming him and waiting to find out all the facts, but I think even my hyper stoic Lavellan would pull out the murder knife for that one.
I do think there's evidence that's not what he's actually aiming for though, and destroying the current world is more of a side effect due to the world of his people being mutually exclusive somehow. But at this point we don't know what he means by that. He could be referring to modern Thedas literally dying when the Veil comes down. Or he might be referring to the fall of human empires and Chantry/Andrastianism, which currently rules much of modern Thedas. And possibly the Qun as well, and the Dwarves, since these are the major societies/religions keeping magic in check, and are adversarial to a magical world view. The reason many people will die in this scenario, obviously, is because people will fight for it. There would be world war between societies that embrace magic and those that don't.
At any rate, I don't think the game is painting any of these scenarios as good. The choice is framed by whether to kill or redeem him, but both involve stopping him somehow.
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To be fair, the idea that the populace needs to be culled due to some perceived magical or psychic deficiency is monsterous to say the least. .
I'm not going to make an argument that it is definitely not monstrous, but the game universe does make a case that it would be better to be dead than a tranquil being.
Starting at about 1:08 we get an inside look at how Solas may see the world after he woke up:
Karl - "You cannot imagine it Anders. All the color, all the music in the world gone. I would gladly give up my magic, but this... I'll never be whole again. Please, kill me before I forget again. I don't know how you brought it back but it's fading."
And here we get some insight on what may happen when Solas gets rid of the Veil. It's no coincidence that the "Cure for Tranquility" appears in the same game that involves Solas.
At 0:10:
Cassandra - "Mages who were once Tranquil lose all control over their emotions. They become irrational, unable to focus."
Cassandra: Solas, I assume you know it's possible to reverse the Rite of Tranquility.
Solas: I did hear of what you learned, yes.
Cassandra: I know of only one mage thus cured, and... he had no control of his emotions. He was distraught.
Cassandra: Do you think that would have passed? If the Tranquil are cured only to end up thus...
Solas: They would be a danger to themselves and others, yes.
Solas: It is difficult to say. In your Vigil, you were Tranquil for but a moment. They have suffered much longer.
Solas: Such control is like a muscle, atrophying without use. Given time it might be restored, but until then...
Cassandra: That may be a risk we are obligated to undertake.
Solas: They will be grateful... even the ones who do not survive.
This, I hypothesize, is the "raw chaos" Solas speaks about occurring when he lowers the Veil.
The game is strongly suggesting that the Veil is causing the races of Thedas psychological side effects and strain. Moving in and out of Tranquility hints at this. So does the corruption of spirits into demons as the real world and the Fade interact through this Veil.
Inquisitor: "I'd like to learn more about the Veil."
Solas: "Circle mages call it a barrier between this world and the Fade. But according to my studies in ancient elven lore, that is a vast oversimplification. Without it.. imagine if spirits entered freely ,if the Fade was not a place one went but a state of nature like the wind.
Inquisitor: "I don't know if I can imagine that."
Solas: "Try. Imagine if spirits were not a rarity but a part of our natural world like... a fast flowing river. Yes it can drown careless children, but it can also carry a merchant's goods or grind a miller's flour. That is what the world could be, if the Veil were not present. For better or worse."
Inquisitor: "I'd like to know more about demons."
Solas: "The Chantry says that demons hate the natural world and seek to bring their chaos and destruction to the living. But such simplistic labels misconstrue their motivations and, in so doing, do all a great disservice. Spirits wish to join the living, and a demon is that wish gone wrong."
Inquisitor: "Is there a way to coexist? To live with them, if not in peace, at least without such active confrontation?"
Solas: "Not in the world we know today. The Veil creates a barrier that makes true understanding most unlikely. But the question is a good one, and it matters that you thought to ask."
So to Solas what is more monstrous? Letting the races continue their tranquil-like existence? Or lowering the Veil and rebooting everything so the races can exist as they were meant in their natural state?
Just something to consider.
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Well, defining what is or isn't natural is always difficult, because it is a very relative term depending on who is asking, and when. What is natural exactly? What is artificial? Anything created or modified by people? Things that arise organically out of chaos, or out of order and focused willpower?
This is the reason I can't use naturalness or artificalness as a basis for what is morally good or what ought to be. Nor can I say that was is 'normal' is automatically better or more desirable. To modern Thedas the Veil is normal and has always existed. This is what the natural state of being is for them. To remove it would fundamentally change their being. It would be naive not to expect people to fight for it, and obviously Solas expects they will, and that they have every right to. He saves the Inquisitor likely for this reason, even if they disliked each other.
Which is why the two worlds may be mutually exclusive. You likely can't tear down just half the Veil, or just in some parts of Thedas. It's all or nothing.
Obviously I don't think a non Veil world is a monsterous goal, or I wouldn't have romanced and liked Solas as much as I do. But culling people for having an alternative world view or even for being sick or having a weakness is not admirable. This is how Templars have been treating mages after all, but who says they really are cursed, weak, overly passionate, etc.
I doubt Solas really feels that way though, which is why I think he can be redeemed.
It's important to remember, as Almostfaceman discussed, that Solas isn't doing all this to restore the elvhen per se, he's doing it to restore "the world of the elves", that is, The Ancient World - a world of magic, where everyone had a conscious connection to the fade and spirits interacted with the more material denizens of the world.
To me, saying Solas is the ultimate evil is like saying Shepard is the ultimate evil for choosing "Destroy". Both are horrific acts, but both characters only do it because they are forced into making such a terrible choice. We just don't have all the information on why Solas feels forced to do this yet.
Well, defining what is or isn't natural is always difficult, because it is a very relative term depending on who is asking, and when. What is natural exactly? What is artificial? Anything created or modified by people? Things that arise organically out of chaos, or out of order and focused willpower?
This is the reason I can't use naturalness or artificalness as a basis for what is morally good or what ought to be. Nor can I say that was is 'normal' is automatically better or more desirable. To modern Thedas the Veil is normal and has always existed. This is what the natural state of being is for them. To remove it would fundamentally change their being. It would be naive not to expect people to fight for it, and obviously Solas expects they will, and that they have every right to. He saves the Inquisitor likely for this reason, even if they disliked each other.
Which is why the two worlds may be mutually exclusive. You likely can't tear down just half the Veil, or just in some parts of Thedas. It's all or nothing.
Obviously I don't think a non Veil world is a monsterous goal, or I wouldn't have romanced and liked Solas as much as I do. But culling people for having an alternative world view or even for being sick or having a weakness is not admirable. This is how Templars have been treating mages after all, but who says they really are cursed, weak, overly passionate, etc.
I doubt Solas really feels that way though, which is why I think he can be redeemed.
While I agree that the whole natural vs. artificial is oftentimes a false dichotomy (humans are part of nature and use part of nature to create 'artificial' things... which are still part of nature) I'm not really sure I find the argument "this is natural for them" compelling.
For example: it was "natural" for slavekeepers to keep slaves, because that was how their society always was. It was "natural" for people in North Korean gulags to sentence small girls and all their family to death for stealing a few kernels of corn, as they were raised to believe that this is right. And at one point of another it was (still is) natural for us to grab and convert all of the ecosystems to those supporting our way of life, simply because we are current dominant species, and have convenient religious books saying that all of the Earth is there to do to it as we please. Needless to say we pay the price for that now, as do many other species and we're forced to fundamentally rethink our approach towards the planet.
And... needless to say... it's "natural" or most people of Thedas to treat mages or spirits as 'unnatural things' and ignoring their plight. I mean... I think both DA and Solas has painted a that the spirit side *certainly* doesn't view Thedas as it is as natural, while most of them wish to join the living.
Then there's the fact that we don't know if the Veil just influences people's perception (which, btw, thanks to magic existing in the world has more of a definite and real effect on the world than ours), but whether it messes up with it on some more fundamental level. To use a quick metaphor: it would be like part of population being locked in a glasshouse. That glasshouse forced them to adjust and for now they're doing relatively well, but eventually the temperature and lack of air circulation will suffocate all of life. With information we have/don't have now we can't rule out that it's not what's happening.
My argument was more to point out that naturalness (or lack thereof) can't necessarily be used as a moral guide or reason for doing something, for exactly the kinds of reasons you mention.
It leads to circular logic, depending on who is defining what is natural and for whom it is natural for.
An ancient elf like Solas, or a modern mage, might find the current world an abomination. A Qunari or even a Dwarf might find the opposite.
If there is an objective moral reason, that's not it.
The inquisitor is missing a hand.... Even in the game they say " My adventuring days may be over" I mean..... In a midevial fantasy world what do we expect them to do? Not everyone got the crossbow hand from sera and not everyone had the same ending. If they are a mage the spells wouldnt be as potent, if they are a two handed warrior they are nearly useless. Now I would love for my inquisitor to come back and some how they are able to function again but realistically in my chosen tapestry my inquisitior doesnt have the prostethic, So i would be a little handicapped in the sense that it would be very hard to hold my shield and sword.
However if my inquisitor (customized like hawke could be) is there at all times in the cinematics and the parts that are most important helping me along the way then i can take control of her when it comes time to confront solas or whatever may happen and i have a dialogue to choose from that would be really cool. But I have always understood that each game is a new hero because our last hero is off continuing tier chosen mission at the end of their respective game. I love the story element to it and seeing all the different lives i can shape and mold and all the multitudes of various endings i can have. So for me. I am, while saddened that i dont see much of my previous heros again, content with the direction the game is going.
It reminds me of my gaming groups old tabletop days. we always played a new hero and sometimes would just match up to the levels we left off at. Sometimes we liked the change. Sometimes i played a mage sometimes i played a ranger hunter, sometimes i was a two handed warrior. and i wasnt always the same race. It suited me. But thats just me.
Your Inquisitor is one of the richest and most powerful people in Thedas. They certainly won't have any issues getting a prosthetic arm. The part they lost was below the elbow, so they still have full motion control and wouldn't have any issues fighting competently.
I won't accept the character assassination it would be to have my Inquisitor just sit back and leave saving the world from her ex to someone else, especially since she specifically stated she was going to do it.
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If I were Solas I would gather elves who wants leave Thedas and liberate the elven slaves from the Imperium, then I would destroy all eluvians so the humans, and darkspawn will not follow, and get them all to another world to start over. I start by teaching them everything about elven history and the downfall of the ancient elves to teach the people to never again repeat history. Then I would set up a healing process by teaching elves meditation for healing themselves mentally & spirituality, then I would set up a system of unity among families, love one another, and build up structures of agriculture, libraries, schools, and houses. It would be a better alternative course than tearing down the Veil and the Evanuris would eventually kill Solas and chaos would rise again.
If I were Solas I would gather elves who wants leave Thedas and liberate the elven slaves from the Imperium, then I would destroy all eluvians so the humans, and darkspawn will not follow, and get them all to another world to start over. I start by teaching them everything about elven history and the downfall of the ancient elves to teach the people to never again repeat history. Then I would set up a healing process by teaching elves meditation for healing themselves mentally & spirituality, then I would set up a system of unity among families, love one another, and build up structures of agriculture, libraries, schools, and houses. It would be a better alternative course than tearing down the Veil and the Evanuris would eventually kill Solas and chaos would rise again.
I seriously doubt any of that is even possible and it certainly doesn't help half the people Solas wants to help.
If I were Solas I would gather elves who wants leave Thedas and liberate the elven slaves from the Imperium, then I would destroy all eluvians so the humans, and darkspawn will not follow, and get them all to another world to start over. I start by teaching them everything about elven history and the downfall of the ancient elves to teach the people to never again repeat history. Then I would set up a healing process by teaching elves meditation for healing themselves mentally & spirituality, then I would set up a system of unity among families, love one another, and build up structures of agriculture, libraries, schools, and houses. It would be a better alternative course than tearing down the Veil and the Evanuris would eventually kill Solas and chaos would rise again.
Building a new society instead of grasping for an old, dead and diseased one? Nah, much better having everyone "burn in the ensuing chaos and bring back my people" (while also destroying any kind of progress modern-day elves have made in the last century)
Really Dalish-ish, now that i think about it (the 'not leaving the past behind' part)
I also wanted to point out Something the Forsaken did. ( Since i notice someone bring her up) And i love sylvanas but her own people kinda murdered hundreds and hundreds in her own faction as well as alliance. I wonder if solas would agree with thier path of destruction at the wrath gate? We don't really know if she was run out of her her throne and fighting to get it back or if it was her plan. Then defying Garrosh. I mean he was a douche but he was still her warchief. She has always had her own plans and maybe someday blizz will actually go through with it.
Your Inquisitor is one of the richest and most powerful people in Thedas. They certainly won't have any issues getting a prosthetic arm. The part they lost was below the elbow, so they still have full motion control and wouldn't have any issues fighting competently.
I won't accept the character assassination it would be to have my Inquisitor just sit back and leave saving the world from her ex to someone else, especially since she specifically stated she was going to do it.
Well I RP my inquisitor much different. But you may be right. But im not going to stop playing if she isnt my playable pc. That is my point. She all but ended her own journey by stating her adventuring days are done. To me, in my story that means shes taking a back seat and going to figure out what solas is up to and maybe lead a new adventuring party to the person she loves and wants to save. Either way ill be fine with it. If i can play her cool lets get on with it. if i cant then cool too. I know with the witcher i have a recurring role. have always known that but i have also always known its not a recurring role with DA. I like the lore and the stories of the games I play. Thats why i play it.
The inquisitor is missing a hand.... Even in the game they say " My adventuring days may be over" I mean..... In a midevial fantasy world what do we expect them to do? Not everyone got the crossbow hand from sera and not everyone had the same ending. If they are a mage the spells wouldnt be as potent, if they are a two handed warrior they are nearly useless. Now I would love for my inquisitor to come back and some how they are able to function again but realistically in my chosen tapestry my inquisitior doesnt have the prostethic, So i would be a little handicapped in the sense that it would be very hard to hold my shield and sword.
Actually, Inquisitor only says "my adventuring times are done" only if we pick one dialogue option (content, disband AFAIK) - in a different one (angry; disband I think) they say "now excuse me - I have world to save. Again." In many epilogue card variations it's also implied that the whole 'Inquisitor is retired" thing is a ruse.
Also - just because not everyone was shown having a crossbow hand doesn't mean that nobody else got it - or didn't get some other variation of it. It is implied after all in epilogues that the whole "stopping Solas" plan is happening over at least a span of a few years, and there's no telling what say Dorian, Dagna, Bianca or mages allied with Inquisition would come up with. Consider this: if Dorian has access to such rarity as speaking crystal, just by being member of Inquisition's Inner Circle during Terspasser, imagine what Inquisitor has access to.
I don't know but this was famously a problem in ME, where by ME3, you could end up with no option at all, if Kaidan died in ME1 and you didn't romance Garrus in ME2.
I guess in DA2 and DO there's a disproportionate amount of tragic or difficult romances. Anders always blows up the Chantry. Fenris always runs away for a while. Alistair had a lot of hoops to jump through to get a happpy ending. Blackwall is in this vein too. Although, so is Solas, and he's popular so I'm not sure.
I thought it was kinda sad he ran away. He is so afraid of falling in love because he is so afraid of his master catching up to them I think he fears the emotion of love itself as well as Hawke being hurt by his past catching up to him. Plus his reaction to Zevrans flirting made me LOL It showed he still cared but had to figure things out. His romance was the more realistic to me out of all of them... But thats just me. I didnbt like, however the eeny meeny miny mo effect in DA2 romances. the rest of the romances just felt blah. Im all for diversity but in real life everyone has a preference and thats what made DAI realsitic.
Actually, Inquisitor only says "my adventuring times are done" only if we pick one dialogue option (content, disband AFAIK) - in a different one (angry; disband I think) they say "now excuse me - I have world to save. Again." In many epilogue card variations it's also implied that the whole 'Inquisitor is retired" thing is a ruse.
Also - just because not everyone was shown having a crossbow hand doesn't mean that nobody else got it - or didn't get some other variation of it. It is implied after all in epilogues that the whole "stopping Solas" plan is happening over at least a span of a few years, and there's no telling what say Dorian, Dagna, Bianca or mages allied with Inquisition would come up with. Consider this: if Dorian has access to such rarity as speaking crystal, just by being member of Inquisition's Inner Circle during Terspasser, imagine what Inquisitor has access to.
And thus why it would be typical if some inquisitors dont return. Some of us chose that option. So would it make sense for those who ended their adventuring days to suddenly be adventuring again? Maybe. I would have to play that and see how it pans out. As I said this game is so interactively different that no one ending may be the same as the other. Somes HoF are dead, some arent Some Hawkes are now dead some arent. You would think by now people would understand why it would be difficult to make a mandatory return of the previous pc as some pcs in some games happen to no longer be living.
As for the crossbow hand. Thats kinda what i was saying. Maybe some people dont get one at all ever maybe some do. not evereyone had endings where dorian liked them( though i dont know how dorian was awesome) maybe sera hated them, maybe bull betrayed them. maybe dagna does help them but thats reaching a bit. Maybe varric doesnt talk to you at all in tresspasser thereby cutting off the option of getting biancas help. Maybe the mages are all dead now since you chose templars. There are so many different options that sometimes we can theorize many things to make what we want to happen, happen but that doesnt mean that scenario will work for jimmy or jane or nick, or colette. Thats all im saying.
I find the idea of having my Inquisitor shrug her shoulders and going "gee I really wanna save Solas, but I'm utterly useless now I'm maimed, so I guess I'll just ask someone else very nicely not to kill him and hope for the best" to be utterly horrific. What kind of person would just leave something like that to chance? It completely destroys any kind of characterisation I had for the last game because now my character is willing to just sit back and let some random stranger murder the love of her life. Not to even mention just sitting back waiting for the entire world to be destroyed whilst she knows she could do something about it...
Its exactly the the same as any other game just waiting until the final battle, then replacing all your dialogue options with "Naw, someone else will deal with it" and that being your only choice, and then your character just stands there and shrugs whilst the other characters all get killed by the villain.
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. but you are right though that it was more why people like ( love ) Solas so much.
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And i love sylvanas but her own people kinda murdered hundreds and hundreds in her own faction as well as alliance. I wonder if solas would agree with thier path of destruction at the wrath gate? We don't really know if she was run out of her her throne and fighting to get it back or if it was her plan. Then defying Garrosh. I mean he was a douche but he was still her warchief. She has always had her own plans and maybe someday blizz will actually go through with it.
