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[Abyss108]

And thus why it would be typical if some inquisitors dont return. Some of us chose that option. So would it make sense for those who ended their adventuring days to suddenly be adventuring again? Maybe. I would have to play that and see how it pans out. As I said this game is so interactively different that no one ending may be the same as the other. Somes HoF are dead, some arent Some Hawkes are now dead some arent. You would think by now people would understand why it would be difficult to make a mandatory return of the previous pc as some pcs in some games happen to no longer be living.

As for the crossbow hand. Thats kinda what i was saying. Maybe some people dont get one at all ever maybe some do. not evereyone had endings where dorian liked them( though i dont know how dorian was awesome) maybe sera hated them, maybe bull betrayed them. maybe dagna does help them but thats reaching a bit. Maybe varric doesnt talk to you at all in tresspasser thereby cutting off the option of getting biancas help. Maybe the mages are all dead now since you chose templars. There are so many different options that sometimes we can theorize many things to make what we want to happen, happen but that doesnt mean that scenario will work for jimmy or jane or nick, or colette. Thats all im saying.

 

 

They very purposefully had every single Inquisitor end in pretty much the same state.

 

Every single Inquisitor ends with the Inquisition either disbanded or put under the rulership of someone else, every single Inquisitor swears to Solas that they will save or stop him, every single Inquisitor heads north to Tevinter to find a way to stop him. That's stated in every single version of the game no matter what options you pick. All the things you mention are very very minor points that wouldn't have any effect on the next game.

 

The one line about adventuring days which you say to a crowd is always imminently followed by showing that same Inquisitor in secret, heading north to stop Solas anyway.

[Macha'Anu]

They very purposefully had every single Inquisitor end in pretty much the same state.

 

Every single Inquisitor ends with the Inquisition either disbanded or put under the rulership of someone else, every single Inquisitor swears to Solas that they will save or stop him, every single Inquisitor heads north to Tevinter to find a way to stop him. That's stated in every single version of the game no matter what options you pick. All the things you mention are very very minor points that wouldn't have any effect on the next game.

 

The one line about adventuring days which you say to a crowd is always imminently followed by showing that same Inquisitor in secret, heading north to stop Solas anyway.

This is true but it doesnt and wont change my opinion that, it doesnt matter to me who the pc options are in the next game i will play it anyway and it wont make me rage quit. Heck I would like to see if there are new options since its obviously going to be in tevinter, maybe I'll get to play a elven slave that the inquisitors people have released or something idk. That would be an interesting origin story. I also miss origin stories lol. These are just my own opinions of how i see my personal world state and in no way should or could shape other playthroughs even though every playthrough and its options are different for everyone regardless of ending.. It is possible for me, as the inquisitior to be apart of the world and story without being on the front lines. but if i am on the rfront lines and its the pc i get to be i will def be happy but if im not and im just "The Inquisitor leading my agents" Im ok with that too. its just my own opinion and my own version of my playthrough. And its not going to change any time soon.

 

It is a heck of a contridiction though isnt it. for the writers to give you the "im going to save you" option then have her say "though my own adventuring days are over" maybe they didnt think that quite through. but since i havent seen the next game I can only assume that my inquisitor is in the dark basement somewhere with a large portion of her friends and her sending crystal tracking down solas and i wont know what comes of that until the release.

 

But I wonder. with as much demanding as been done to bring back the inquisitior or "we quit" statements I wonder if weekes will do it? if so then i guess thank you to those that made it happen? Either way. I like the world, lore and story regardless of who my pc is. because i rp every playthrough differnet so its not always the same anyway.

[midnight tea]

And thus why it would be typical if some inquisitors dont return. Some of us chose that option. So would it make sense for those who ended their adventuring days to suddenly be adventuring again? Maybe. I would have to play that and see how it pans out. As I said this game is so interactively different that no one ending may be the same as the other. Somes HoF are dead, some arent Some Hawkes are now dead some arent. You would think by now people would understand why it would be difficult to make a mandatory return of the previous pc as some pcs in some games happen to no longer be living.

 

But choosing to retire when the world is in danger is like Inquisitor choosing to run away once the Breach is open, or Corypheus reveals himself as a threat - it's not an option. And if it is - it's a highly irresponsible option.

 

I mean, how are people supposed to consider the threat seriously, if Inquisitor just... retires? It doesn't work either people in-universe or players; Inquisitor retires = it undermines entire threat of Solas to the world, since apparently it's not worth for current hero of South to bother overcoming their disability to try and work to save the world. Again.

 

Also - some HoF are dead, some aren't. Some Hawkes are dead, some aren't. That is NOT an option for Inquisitor.

Regardless of playthrough or characterization, ALL OF THEM end up living and plotting with Cass and Leli to find people and stop Solas. This is exactly why many people think that Inquisitor coming back in DA4 is a given: because unlike HoF or Hawke they end up at the very same spot in the narrative, alive.

 

 

As for the crossbow hand. Thats kinda what i was saying. Maybe some people dont get one at all ever maybe some do. not evereyone had endings where dorian liked them( though i dont know how dorian was awesome) maybe sera hated them, maybe bull betrayed them. maybe dagna does help them but thats reaching a bit. Maybe varric doesnt talk to you at all in tresspasser thereby cutting off the option of getting biancas help. Maybe the mages are all dead now since you chose templars. There are so many different options that sometimes we can theorize many things to make what we want to happen, happen but that doesnt mean that scenario will work for jimmy or jane or nick, or colette. Thats all im saying.

 

But... so what if Dorian doesn't like them? Or the rest? Leliana or Cassandra may also dislike/hate Inquisitor, but we see them all working together both in base game, or Trespasser and in the post-epilogue scene. The safety of the world is obviously more important than their personal likes or dislikes. Majority of companions are mature enough to understand that. So I don't see how even the most despised Inquisitors wouldn't be able to secure fund or connections to guarantee them access to prosthetic, or anything that would help them either fight or function.

[Macha'Anu]

But choosing to retire when the world is in danger is like Inquisitor choosing to run away once the Breach is open, or Corypheus reveals himself as a threat - it's not an option. And if it is - it's a highly irresponsible option.

 

I mean, how are people supposed to consider the threat seriously, if Inquisitor just... retires? It doesn't work either people in-universe or players; Inquisitor retires = it undermines entire threat of Solas to the world, since apparently it's not worth for current hero of South to bother overcoming their disability to try and work to save the world. Again.

 

Also - some HoF are dead, some aren't. Some Hawkes are dead, some aren't. That is NOT an option of Inquisitor.

Regardless of playthrough or characterization, ALL OF THEM end up living and plotting with Cass and Leli to find people and stop Solas. This is exactly why many people think that Inquisitor coming back in DA4 is a given: because unlike HoF or Hawke they end up at the very same spot in the narrative, alive.

 

 

 

But... so what if Dorian doesn't like them? Or the rest? Leliana or Cassandra may also dislike/hate Inquisitor, but we see them all working together both in base game, or Trespasser and in the post-epilogue scene. The safety of the world is obviously more important than their personal likes or dislikes. Majority of companions are mature enough to understand that. So I don't see how even the most despised Inquisitors wouldn't be able to secure fund or connections to guarantee them access to prosthetic, or anything that would help them either fight or function.

Yes but we cant assume that they spend the whole game disliking them but then gift them with a new hand. Some of them actually leave if you anger them enough from what i understand. I have never gone that route so idk.  I mean hey im all for it im just saying. Not everyone would head canon the same as you or I.

[midnight tea]

It is a heck of a contridiction though isnt it. for the writers to give you the "im going to save you" option then have her say "though my own adventuring days are over" maybe they didnt think that quite through. but since i havent seen the next game I can only assume that my inquisitor is in the dark basement somewhere with a large portion of her friends and her sending crystal tracking down solas and i wont know what comes of that until the release.

 

Er... no it's not   They obviously make it so Inquisition works in secrecy now, while the wide population is supposed to think that Inquisitor is retired - and it only makes sense. They want to calm people down and for South to have time to rebuild - and if Inky is retired, nobody will be asking question as to "why do they travel so often" or "why do they spend so much time in Tevinter?" and so on. Many epilogue slides, as well as post-epilogue scene make it obvious that the whole "adventuring days are done" is a smoke screen.

[Abyss108]

Yes but we cant assume that they spend the whole game disliking them but then gift them with a new hand. Some of them actually leave if you anger them enough from what i understand. I have never gone that route so idk.  I mean hey im all for it im just saying. Not everyone would head canon the same as you or I.

 

 

Of course they would give you a hand when you are trying to save the world.  They aren't going to spite you when they will die for it. Not to mention, why would the hand come from them? You can going to anyone in the world with the kind of money/power you have. It's nothing that requires a specific person for, it's just a fake hand. They existed in medieval times, it's not something that requires a super special one of a kind genius or anything.

[midnight tea]

Yes but we cant assume that they spend the whole game disliking them but then gift them with a new hand. Some of them actually leave if you anger them enough from what i understand. I have never gone that route so idk.  I mean hey im all for it im just saying. Not everyone would head canon the same as you or I.

 

Even if they hate you, but stay with you, they will still risk their life in final confrontation with Corypheus or crossing eluvians to unknown lands and risking their life to save South from Qunari threat. Like I said - most of them are mature enough to know what's at stakes. So it's not a "gift" they'd be giving (like in case of Dorian), but a necessity.

Dorian may storm out of Skyhold, but he'll ALWAYS return in Trespasser as ambassador. Varric never leaves and shows up in Winter Palace too. So is Vivienne. It is canon, not hedcanon. It's also pretty safe to tell it's canon that Inquisitor will always have enough resources to guarantee access to some sort of handy artifacts or prosthetics. None of the epilogues ended up with "and thus Inquisitor ended up as a bum on the street, because they spent to much gold on buying exotic mounts" or something. Whether they're despised or not, they are still heroes to many Thedosians, including very influential ones - like Divine, who has all the resources of the Chantry. That is separate from any hedacanon.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It should be noted the line is "My adventuring days may be over", not "My adventuring days are over.". That may is very important, since it implies uncertainty. 

[German Soldier]

I find the idea of having my Inquisitor shrug her shoulders and going "gee I really wanna save Solas, but I'm utterly useless now I'm maimed, so I guess I'll just ask someone else very nicely not to kill him and hope for the best" to be utterly horrific. What kind of person would just leave something like that to chance? It completely destroys any kind of characterisation I had for the last game because now my character is willing to just sit back and let some random stranger murder the love of her life. Not to even mention just sitting back waiting for the entire world to be destroyed whilst she knows she could do something about it... 

 

Its exactly the the same as any other game just waiting until the final battle, then replacing all your dialogue options with "Naw, someone else will deal with it" and that being your only choice, and then your character just stands there and shrugs whilst the other characters all get killed by the villain.

Which mean that you will not play DA4 if it is with a new person?

[German Soldier]

It should be noted the line is "My adventuring days may be over", not "My adventuring days are over.". That may is very important, since it implies uncertainty. 

I do think that an information like that about the protagonist will be revealed long  before the release of the game

[Abyss108]

Which mean that you will not play DA4 if it is with a new person?

 

 

Correct. The moment they confirm the Inquisitor doesn't return, I'm done here. 

[German Soldier]

Correct. The moment they confirm the Inquisitor doesn't return, I'm done here. 

Dismiss an entire game just for a protagonist?.........

I think is premature especially because we don't even know if Soals will be the focus of that game.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Dismiss an entire game just for a protagonist?.........

I think is premature especially because we don't even know if Soals will be the focus of that game.

 

Yes we do. Patrick Weekes confirmed that the next Dragon Age game would finish Solas' story. 

[German Soldier]

Yes we do. Patrick Weekes confirmed that the next Dragon Age game would finish Solas' story. 

It will be the end of the character story arc does not mean that the whole game will be focused on him.

[Abyss108]

 

Dismiss an entire game just for a protagonist?.........

I think is premature especially because we don't even know if Soals will be the focus of that game.

 

 

I play Bioware games for the plot. If the plot is that I'm going to play a character who gets manipulated by the villain for the entire game, finally finds out, then just shrugs and says whatever, I'm not interested. 

 

Maybe Bioware could write an amazing new protagonist, with a deep involvement with the plot, but the entire time I play as them I won't care - because there is nothing to say Bioware won't pull this again, and that new protagonist won't get to face their villain either. Maybe the next game will also end with them just shrugging at the villain and leaving everything for the next protagonist. Repeat to infinity. I have zero reason to care about their struggle if at any point Bioware could just decide my character doesn't care. If at any point Bioware could just drop the plot I've become invested in. It's not worth it for me to get involved in a storyline and a character that isn't going to get an ending, because swearing to defeat the antagonist and then doing nothing is not an ending. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It will be the end of the character story arc does not mean that the whole game will be focused on him.

He is a being whose plan involves destroying this world to restore his. He will be a primary focus of the game. Maybe not the only one, but definitely one of them. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Your Inquisitor is one of the richest and most powerful people in Thedas. They certainly won't have any issues getting a prosthetic arm. The part they lost was below the elbow, so they still have full motion control and wouldn't have any issues fighting competently.

 

I won't accept the character assassination it would be to have my Inquisitor just sit back and leave saving the world from her ex to someone else, especially since she specifically stated she was going to do it.

*Waits for Hanako to mention that warrior in the real world middle-ages who had a prosthetic*

 

Maybe I should just make a ready-to-paste pre-made post explaining how the lack of forearm isn't a huge issue so I can use it in these cases without having to rewrite it every time.

 

If I were Solas I would gather elves who wants leave Thedas and liberate the elven slaves from the Imperium, then I would destroy all eluvians so the humans, and darkspawn will not follow, and get them all to another world to start over. I start by teaching them everything about elven history and the downfall of the ancient elves to teach the people to never again repeat history. Then I would set up a healing process by teaching elves meditation for healing themselves mentally & spirituality, then I would set up a system of unity among families, love one another, and build up structures of agriculture, libraries, schools, and houses. It would be a better alternative course than tearing down the Veil and the Evanuris would eventually kill Solas and chaos would rise again.

Uh, you're the person who hasn't played Trespasser, right? At least I hope so, because you completely missed the point of Solas' plan. None of what you just listed accomplishes what he's trying to do.

 

And thus why it would be typical if some inquisitors dont return. Some of us chose that option. So would it make sense for those who ended their adventuring days to suddenly be adventuring again? Maybe.

Not maybe, but most definitely. There is something common to Bioware heroes (and most heroes) no matter how you roleplay them, and one of those things is that they'll do instead of not doing. You think the Inquisitor is just going to sit around, retired, on beaches while they not only know that there is another world-ending threat approaching, but that they happen to be one of the only people who even believes it's going to happen and one of the best sources of knowledge on their opposition in Thedas?

 

Realistically, there is not going to be one version of the game where the Inquisitor is active and another where they aren't (especially since as Midnight Tea said the Inquisitor retiring/Inquisition fully disbanding is a ruse to maintain secrecy). It's two totally different stories. So I just hope they choose the one that makes sense.

 

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[Hanako Ikezawa]

*Waits for Hanako to mention that warrior in the real world middle-ages who had a prosthetic*

No need. It was already mentioned. 

[midnight tea]

 

Dismiss an entire game just for a protagonist?.........

I think is premature especially because we don't even know if Soals will be the focus of that game.

 

It's a matter of story continuity. It's true that we don't know what is going to happen in DA4 for certain, given that even if BW would want to tell specific story, that plan may or may not survive development hurdles, BUT... DAI and especially Trespasser send a very strong message about Solas indeed being an important part of the plot. It's the same with Inquisitor - none other past protagonists have been so strongly implied to show up in the next game as Inky is in its epilogue DLC.

 

We also know from David Gaider that DAI was pretty much cut in half - and that the next half is pretty much going to be DA4. And the initial game - before being cut in half - *couldn't* have been planned with 2 PCs in one game in mind. So even if Inquisitor is not going to take the front seat, all things point to them being involved in plot of what basically is going to be 2nd part of Inquisition.

[BansheeOwnage]

No need. It was already mentioned. 

A while ago, yes, but the person currently bringing up the Arm Thing™ seems to be unaware, since they specifically used that it would be unrealistic in our middle-ages as an argument.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

A while ago, yes, but the person currently bringing up the Arm Thing™ seems to be unaware, since they specifically used that it would be unrealistic in our middle-ages as an argument.

Very well. I bring up Gottfried "Götz" von Berlichingen, or Götz of the Iron Hand. He was a knight, mercenary, and poet that lived from 1480 to 1562, and in 1504 he lost his right hand in battle. He got a couple prosthetic limbs made for him, the latter pictured below, and it allowed him to continue his careers as a fighter and poet for decades, doing things like being able to skillfully hold a shield, reigns to a horse, and even something as small as a quill. 

 

So if we were able to design something like that in our medieval times, we can certainly design something better in Dragon Age where we have the engineering prowess of Dwarves and Qunari as well as of course magic. 

[BansheeOwnage]

I play Bioware games for the plot. If the plot is that I'm going to play a character who gets manipulated by the villain for the entire game, finally finds out, then just shrugs and says whatever, I'm not interested. 

 

Maybe Bioware could write an amazing new protagonist, with a deep involvement with the plot, but the entire time I play as them I won't care - because there is nothing to say Bioware won't pull this again, and that new protagonist won't get to face their villain either. Maybe the next game will also end with them just shrugging at the villain and leaving everything for the next protagonist. Repeat to infinity. I have zero reason to care about their struggle if at any point Bioware could just decide my character doesn't care. If at any point Bioware could just drop the plot I've become invested in. It's not worth it for me to get involved in a storyline and a character that isn't going to get an ending, because swearing to defeat the antagonist and then doing nothing is not an ending. 

I completely understand where you're coming from, and unfortunately this applies (differently) to Mass Effect for me as well as Dragon Age.

 

For Dragon Age, I personally just get tired of starting a new character and meeting a new cast (and the old cast!) every time I finally flesh out my previous one. It's like, when I really start liking them and playing them, when they get where I want RP-wise, I have to restart. I don't mind new protagonists every-so-often, it's just that One Game For Each Protagonist, No More Ever rule bugs me because it's not used as a guideline, but as, well, a rule, superseding the needs of the narrative. And everything you said, too.

 

For Mass Effect, I'll spoiler-tag it because off-topic:

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My apathy for Andromeda is based on a similar concept. I was very invested in Mass Effect, and since it was a trilogy, having it end in a completely abysmal way was much more saddening than if it was just one game, and I have no guarantee that Bioware won't pull something like that again either. The problem is, since Andromeda isn't going to be stand-alone, even if it gets stellar reviews and is a great game with a great ending, it doesn't mean the second or even third game won't just mess everything up again, and I don't want to get invested because of that. It's hard to wait 6 more years to see if I can play it or not. So I wish this one actually was stand-alone, oddly enough, because then I could either not get it and not care or get it and enjoy it.

[BansheeOwnage]

Very well. I bring up Gottfried "Götz" von Berlichingen, or Götz of the Iron Hand. He was a knight, mercenary, and poet that lived from 1480 to 1562, and in 1504 he lost his right hand in battle. He got a couple prosthetic limbs made for him, the latter pictured below, and it allowed him to continue his careers as a fighter and poet for decades, doing things like being able to hold a shield, reigns to a horse, and even something as small as a quill. 

 

So if we were able to design something like that in our medieval times, we can certainly design something better in Dragon Age where we have the engineering prowess of Dwarves and Qunari as well as of course magic. 

Thank you!

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[AresKeith]

It's a matter of story continuity. It's true that we don't know what is going to happen in DA4 for certain, given that even if BW would want to tell specific story, that plan may or may not survive development hurdles, BUT... DAI and especially Trespasser send a very strong message about Solas indeed being an important part of the plot. It's the same with Inquisitor - none other past protagonists have been so strongly implied to show up in the next game as Inky is in its epilogue DLC.

 

We also know from David Gaider that DAI was pretty much cut in half - and that the next half is pretty much going to be DA4. And the initial game - before being cut in half - *couldn't* have been planned with 2 PCs in one game in mind. So even if Inquisitor is not going to take the front seat, all things point to them being involved in plot of what basically is going to be 2nd part of Inquisition.

 

Don't really want to get back into this pointless argument, but just because the Inquisitor most likely won't return as protagonist (or main protagonist) doesn't mean they won't appear at all during the Solas arc

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Thank you!

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You're welcome. I have to say your picture works on multiple levels. You like it because I did it, Varric likes it because it compliments Dwarves, Sera likes it because it compliments Qunari, and Vivienne slightly likes it because it compliments magic but I put that last.